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Now this is messed up
Anyone get this months Hot Rod mag? the one with the green challeger on the front? check out the 2.3 liter mustang running 300hp at the wheels... 12.74 at 108mph in the 1/4 OR hehehehe the rice.... 90CID engine running 487hp 11.04 at 134mph in the 1/4... from what i am reading BOTH are street legal and both are daily runners... Makes ya wonder what a 2.8 to a 3.4 can do with a turbo or a SC huh? i may just keep compression stock and go SC. My build is slowly coming together and my only goal is to do 14.2 in the 1/4 N/A. I figure with NOS that will be enough to walk a newer T/A in stock trim. <-------Ouch the V8 guys won't like to read that.
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/
K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit,
Bosch platinum plugs,
7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/
K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit,
Bosch platinum plugs,
7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
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A friend of mine said he saw a build up of a 2.8L carbed Chevette on Speedvision and they got the thing pushin around 260hp....that makes me wonder!!
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1991 Firebird Formula
305 TPI
Auto
K&N Filter
Grant GT Steering Wheel
5% Rear tint
Pontiac Windshield Decal
No real mods yet!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP
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Well you can build anything, just how much you want to spend. The ***** has DOHC I am assuming and aluminum heads to boot so he has a little jump on you in that catigory. THough you have more cubes so go figure, good luck man
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I my quest for pistons i am seeing that the fiero guys are building their 2.8L's. Its NOT uncommon for them to push 270+ hp in a race 2.8 and 200 to 250 is common place. I am getting feedback on my setup and am told at 10.5:1 that i should see 250hp out of this 3.1L. I dunno that i am comfortable pushing that much compression tho with iron heads. I could have sworn in the V8's they stop at 9.5 to 9.8 becuz of detonation. Heck 200RWHP should put me into the mid to high 14's and 200 engine HP is pretty easy to do with a good build out of a 3.1L from what i am seeing/hearing, so 250 can't be that far off. Air flow both in and out of the engine is the major concern out of these 60 degree blocks. Who knows... for now its fun seeing whats out there... Anyone know anything about the dimentions of the 3.1L piston.... i am sure stock it was 8.9:1 comp... Ross apparantly wants to know more to build me a high compression piston. BTW... will a 2.8L piston work in a 3.1L? if so i can buy from fiero hipo sites.
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/
K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit,
Bosch platinum plugs,
7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
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From what i am reading he has a SOHC 1.55L honda D16A6 engine, and a eaton M-62 blower running 27PSI. Its ALL hipo parts, but supposedly is a daily runner... Even goes on to say he passes emmissions with no problems at all. Can you imagine the look on someones face from a Honda civic pulling a 11.02 at 134mph. Wonder if it sounds *****.....
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/
K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit,
Bosch platinum plugs,
7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
Originally posted by Kyle F:
Well you can build anything, just how much you want to spend. The ***** has DOHC I am assuming and aluminum heads to boot so he has a little jump on you in that catigory. THough you have more cubes so go figure, good luck man
Well you can build anything, just how much you want to spend. The ***** has DOHC I am assuming and aluminum heads to boot so he has a little jump on you in that catigory. THough you have more cubes so go figure, good luck man
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/
K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit,
Bosch platinum plugs,
7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
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Hot Rod's annoying me with features like that Supercharged Civic. Especially how, in that Civic's article, they said something to the effect of "real hot rodding is over, deal with it."
Fine, the import guys can get some power out of their stuff.
So can domestic guys!
And how the Heck can I use the fact that this guy has a hopped up Civic motor on my domestic hot rod? I can't. If I wanted a magazine that just showed pictures of cars and didn't help me with mine, I'd go get some of those ***** magazines- with all the bikini-topped chicks leaning over the engine. You know those guys that read that magazine have no CLUE how many camshafts their motor has, let alone where they are. But they'll tell you about the paint job!
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Fine, the import guys can get some power out of their stuff.
So can domestic guys!
And how the Heck can I use the fact that this guy has a hopped up Civic motor on my domestic hot rod? I can't. If I wanted a magazine that just showed pictures of cars and didn't help me with mine, I'd go get some of those ***** magazines- with all the bikini-topped chicks leaning over the engine. You know those guys that read that magazine have no CLUE how many camshafts their motor has, let alone where they are. But they'll tell you about the paint job!
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Originally posted by TomP:
Hot Rod's annoying me with features like that Supercharged Civic. Especially how, in that Civic's article, they said something to the effect of "real hot rodding is over, deal with it."
Fine, the import guys can get some power out of their stuff.
So can domestic guys!
Hot Rod's annoying me with features like that Supercharged Civic. Especially how, in that Civic's article, they said something to the effect of "real hot rodding is over, deal with it."
Fine, the import guys can get some power out of their stuff.
So can domestic guys!
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Hermmm i must have a different outlook on it. I enjoy seeing ANY car that has power OR looks good and no power... any combination of work is great. I agree that a civic isn't a "hotrod" and didn't agree with their statment that hodrodding is over as we know it... No, its constantly growing up, just like it did from the 1940's to the 1960's or the late 60's to the early 90's. Things change, technoligies get better ect ect... One of my pet peeve's and one reason i refuse to get rid of my V6 bird is the V8 people (not all of em) but the rare few that come off saying a V6 will never beat a V8 ect ect... "get a V8 instead of that V6" my only thought is well.... if i wanted an 8, there would be an 8 in there already. That guy that wrote to my post about 225 to 250 HP out of my 3.1L after i get the build together, he laughed... got news for ya bro.... 270 to 300 is COMMON out of a race 2.8L... 200 to 250 is COMMON out of a well built 2.8 to 3.4L thats RWHP btw...... and theres LOTS of fiero guys out there that can and will stomp the 12 to 14 second runners with thier 2.8 to 3.4L engines. Anyways, thats not ment as a flame to whomever it was.... Hust a polite way of saying if i wanted a V8 i would have gotten a V8. Now the arguement comes well for the 2500.00 i have spent into my build would get me into the 13's in a V8... yer right.... been there done that... Had a 78 T/A that ran 11.27 on a 125 shot, a 88 LX mustang that ran 13.78 N/A, a 1969 mustang that ran 12.16 with a 427 engine N/A... But whats the sport? tell me how many V6's ya see doing that? only 2 in my area, and there in the SOLID low 13's to mid 12's, one is a GM 3.1L turbo and the other is a ford.... 3.8L??? with NOS i think.
Personally guys i think articals like the one in HRM are good, it shows ya what lil guys like us can do, are doing and this issue listed breifly what they have to do it... Makes the juices flow on, hermmmm can i use that in my application... Like i said, i my go Vortech, i have a call into them now to ask about a A-1 s trim... its looking like 1400.00 for the unit itself if i read the website correctly last night. I want to know abount mounting it where the A/C is. Who knows... i only want 14.2
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/ K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit, Bosch platinum plugs, 7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
Now on the workbench:
Preped 3.1L bored 1mm over, forged rods, Ported and polished GM iron heads, 3.1L intake, polished and gasket matched <---- whadda pain, Crane 1.6:1 rockers, PAW Cam 280/290, .443/.465, race underdrive pullies.
Slowly but surely seeking a 14.2 NA in the 1/4 mile.
Personally guys i think articals like the one in HRM are good, it shows ya what lil guys like us can do, are doing and this issue listed breifly what they have to do it... Makes the juices flow on, hermmmm can i use that in my application... Like i said, i my go Vortech, i have a call into them now to ask about a A-1 s trim... its looking like 1400.00 for the unit itself if i read the website correctly last night. I want to know abount mounting it where the A/C is. Who knows... i only want 14.2
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/ K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit, Bosch platinum plugs, 7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
Now on the workbench:
Preped 3.1L bored 1mm over, forged rods, Ported and polished GM iron heads, 3.1L intake, polished and gasket matched <---- whadda pain, Crane 1.6:1 rockers, PAW Cam 280/290, .443/.465, race underdrive pullies.
Slowly but surely seeking a 14.2 NA in the 1/4 mile.
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Originally posted by Red91Bird:
Hermmm i must have a different outlook on it. I enjoy seeing ANY car that has power OR looks good and no power... any combination of work is great.
Hermmm i must have a different outlook on it. I enjoy seeing ANY car that has power OR looks good and no power... any combination of work is great.
Plus the Civic guy's attitude wasn't that hot either... "I'm a *****, and I love beating Chevy's with a Civic."
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Agreed tom, he seemed like a A$$. Who knows lol... still which they would do a 2.8L to 3.4L build. They did a inline 6 not to long ago and got it into the 13's with NOS. I think it was a 250CID.
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/ K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit, Bosch platinum plugs, 7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
Now on the workbench:
Preped 3.1L bored 1mm over, forged rods, Ported and polished GM iron heads, 3.1L intake, polished and gasket matched <---- whadda pain, Crane 1.6:1 rockers, PAW Cam 280/290, .443/.465, race underdrive pullies.
Slowly but surely seeking a 14.2 NA in the 1/4 mile.
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91 Firebird
3.1 w/ K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit, Bosch platinum plugs, 7mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,
0-30mph 4.25 Best 4.09
0-60mph 9.16 Best 9.09
Now on the workbench:
Preped 3.1L bored 1mm over, forged rods, Ported and polished GM iron heads, 3.1L intake, polished and gasket matched <---- whadda pain, Crane 1.6:1 rockers, PAW Cam 280/290, .443/.465, race underdrive pullies.
Slowly but surely seeking a 14.2 NA in the 1/4 mile.
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