Why do you call the 3.4...
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From: blainville, quebec, canada
Why do you call the 3.4...
a "long block" ???
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1999 30th anniv. TransAm #877
** BESTS:60ft=1.935 1/4 ET=13.08 MPH=111.8 ** (Only 3.5K miles)
T-TOP,6M-Hurst,12cd, TCS
!EGR * !MAF Screen * ported and polished MAF * !silencer baffles * ! lid baffles * ported and polished TB * removed primary and secundary baffles * sealed ram-air * 9.4k timing-tricker * !CAGS * Mobil 1 * Lou's short stick * BMR panhard rod * BMR poly/poly LCAs * !DRL * Polished SLP resonator catback * 2 Ractive mufflers * 3x3 'fernco' mod * K&N * TB stop grind * Grotyohann headers * offroad Y-pipe* Power pedals * 19+ coats Zaino * WHITE gauges cluster * blue door TA badges * pontiac windshield decal * Polished momo shift **** * 4.5" brosal exhaust tips * Kenny Brown DD SFC
Ordered:
Polished: Calipers * Hood struts * Air tubes * Valve covers,Heat shields , etc.
Later:Cam + spring + pushrods swap + stage II heads
2000 Black Z-71 K1500 5.3l
ext.cab * !intake baffle * !MAF screen * !EGR mod
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1999 30th anniv. TransAm #877
** BESTS:60ft=1.935 1/4 ET=13.08 MPH=111.8 ** (Only 3.5K miles)
T-TOP,6M-Hurst,12cd, TCS
!EGR * !MAF Screen * ported and polished MAF * !silencer baffles * ! lid baffles * ported and polished TB * removed primary and secundary baffles * sealed ram-air * 9.4k timing-tricker * !CAGS * Mobil 1 * Lou's short stick * BMR panhard rod * BMR poly/poly LCAs * !DRL * Polished SLP resonator catback * 2 Ractive mufflers * 3x3 'fernco' mod * K&N * TB stop grind * Grotyohann headers * offroad Y-pipe* Power pedals * 19+ coats Zaino * WHITE gauges cluster * blue door TA badges * pontiac windshield decal * Polished momo shift **** * 4.5" brosal exhaust tips * Kenny Brown DD SFC
Ordered:
Polished: Calipers * Hood struts * Air tubes * Valve covers,Heat shields , etc.
Later:Cam + spring + pushrods swap + stage II heads
2000 Black Z-71 K1500 5.3l
ext.cab * !intake baffle * !MAF screen * !EGR mod
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From: Lee's Summit, MO
If I remember correctly, a long block is the entire bottom end plus heads and an intake manifold. I THINK!!!!
A short block is the bottom end with no heads or intake manifold.
Just call it whichever one depending on what it came with. Since most of the guys on here are getting engines from the junkyard, I would assume they are pulling the entire thing, not just the short block, hence the name long block. Please correct if I am wrong!!!
Vman
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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights
Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4
A short block is the bottom end with no heads or intake manifold.
Just call it whichever one depending on what it came with. Since most of the guys on here are getting engines from the junkyard, I would assume they are pulling the entire thing, not just the short block, hence the name long block. Please correct if I am wrong!!!
Vman
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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights
Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4
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Engine: LH0 3.1L
exactly. most of these guys are buying 3.4 long blocks and just swapping the intake and plenum. a short block just consists of the block and *maybe* the rotating assembly.....not sure.
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Dan
1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
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Dan
1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
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It is simply like this.
A Short block is just the bottom end.
The block, crank, rods, cam, piston.
Long block is everything else, included.
You specify exactly what one needs wants with that response.
I want a long block including the oil pan, starter, intake & fuel injectors.
I did not create the term, it has been passed down from a long time, guys & others, dealing with the wrecking yards.
Kinda like a two piece & three piece suit.
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Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
A Short block is just the bottom end.
The block, crank, rods, cam, piston.
Long block is everything else, included.
You specify exactly what one needs wants with that response.
I want a long block including the oil pan, starter, intake & fuel injectors.
I did not create the term, it has been passed down from a long time, guys & others, dealing with the wrecking yards.
Kinda like a two piece & three piece suit.
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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
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Car: 85' Firebird (Project), 92' RS
Engine: 2.8L, LS1
Transmission: 700R4, 4L60E
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yeah, my 2.8L (3.0L) came as a long block, with heads (suposedly bored), motor (bored .040), Pistons (enlarged to fit bore, .040 over), oil pan and pump. The guys used my plenum, and cleaned my injectors, along with new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, etc. But yeah, a short block will give you a motor with no heads, oil pump or pan, sometimes no manifold or intake, etc. It's just a block with everything taken off. Oh, have u guys ever seen a 2.8L stripped down to nothing, they're small as hell.
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Engine: LH0 3.1L
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 85f-bird:
yeah, my 2.8L (3.0L) came as a long block, with heads (suposedly bored), motor (bored .040), Pistons (enlarged to fit bore, .040 over), oil pan and pump. The guys used my plenum, and cleaned my injectors, along with new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, etc. But yeah, a short block will give you a motor with no heads, oil pump or pan, sometimes no manifold or intake, etc. It's just a block with everything taken off. Oh, have u guys ever seen a 2.8L stripped down to nothing, they're small as hell. </font>
yeah, my 2.8L (3.0L) came as a long block, with heads (suposedly bored), motor (bored .040), Pistons (enlarged to fit bore, .040 over), oil pan and pump. The guys used my plenum, and cleaned my injectors, along with new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, etc. But yeah, a short block will give you a motor with no heads, oil pump or pan, sometimes no manifold or intake, etc. It's just a block with everything taken off. Oh, have u guys ever seen a 2.8L stripped down to nothing, they're small as hell. </font>
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Dan
1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
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You can even feel like Superman and lift the blcok yourself!
The 3.4 is the same thing, stripped. Tiny.
A short block will also include the timing chain, too.
Almost always will.
BUT not the timing chain cover!
IF in doubt, always ask!!
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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
The 3.4 is the same thing, stripped. Tiny.
A short block will also include the timing chain, too.
Almost always will.
BUT not the timing chain cover!
IF in doubt, always ask!!
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Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
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Short Block vs Long Block is not so cut and dry either.
Depends on who you're talking to. Short block USUALLY mean Block and rotating assy.
Long block usually means Block, Heads, Intake, Oil Pan, Timing chain cover, and valve covers.
HOWEVER, recently I was pricing motors from Auto Zone and others and their "Long Blocks" didnt come w/ valve covers, oil pan, or timing chain covers (much less the intake). SOOOOOO, its kinda like ordering a Sundae. Depending on who you talk to, you may or may not get the extras.
Clayton
Depends on who you're talking to. Short block USUALLY mean Block and rotating assy.
Long block usually means Block, Heads, Intake, Oil Pan, Timing chain cover, and valve covers.
HOWEVER, recently I was pricing motors from Auto Zone and others and their "Long Blocks" didnt come w/ valve covers, oil pan, or timing chain covers (much less the intake). SOOOOOO, its kinda like ordering a Sundae. Depending on who you talk to, you may or may not get the extras.
Clayton
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Car: 1986 Firebird
Engine: 2.8 V6
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Yeah, when we did the heads on that 2.8, it looked so small sitting there. I gotta finish the roll of film so I can get them developed...
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Getting the engine from the yard is always easy as they are lazy & do not want to remove lots of stuff (intake exhaust starter, etc)
Again, if in doubt, ask!!
Then, barter.
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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
Again, if in doubt, ask!!
Then, barter.
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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA
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Thanks for the great info guys 
Actually its not the first time I read that term, Some mustang guys I talked with talked about a long block 302 and I did not knew what they were talking about
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1999 30th anniv. TransAm #877
** BESTS:60ft=1.935 1/4 ET=13.08 MPH=111.8 ** (Only 3.5K miles)
T-TOP,6M-Hurst,12cd, TCS
!EGR * !MAF Screen * ported and polished MAF * !silencer baffles * ! lid baffles * ported and polished TB * removed primary and secundary baffles * sealed ram-air * 9.4k timing-tricker * !CAGS * Mobil 1 * Lou's short stick * BMR panhard rod * BMR poly/poly LCAs * !DRL * Polished SLP resonator catback * 2 Ractive mufflers * 3x3 'fernco' mod * K&N * TB stop grind * Grotyohann headers * offroad Y-pipe* Power pedals * 19+ coats Zaino * WHITE gauges cluster * blue door TA badges * pontiac windshield decal * Polished momo shift **** * 4.5" brosal exhaust tips * Kenny Brown DD SFC
Ordered:
Polished: Calipers * Hood struts * Air tubes * Valve covers,Heat shields , etc.
Later:Cam + spring + pushrods swap + stage II heads
2000 Black Z-71 K1500 5.3l
ext.cab * !intake baffle * !MAF screen * !EGR mod
Actually its not the first time I read that term, Some mustang guys I talked with talked about a long block 302 and I did not knew what they were talking about
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1999 30th anniv. TransAm #877
** BESTS:60ft=1.935 1/4 ET=13.08 MPH=111.8 ** (Only 3.5K miles)
T-TOP,6M-Hurst,12cd, TCS
!EGR * !MAF Screen * ported and polished MAF * !silencer baffles * ! lid baffles * ported and polished TB * removed primary and secundary baffles * sealed ram-air * 9.4k timing-tricker * !CAGS * Mobil 1 * Lou's short stick * BMR panhard rod * BMR poly/poly LCAs * !DRL * Polished SLP resonator catback * 2 Ractive mufflers * 3x3 'fernco' mod * K&N * TB stop grind * Grotyohann headers * offroad Y-pipe* Power pedals * 19+ coats Zaino * WHITE gauges cluster * blue door TA badges * pontiac windshield decal * Polished momo shift **** * 4.5" brosal exhaust tips * Kenny Brown DD SFC
Ordered:
Polished: Calipers * Hood struts * Air tubes * Valve covers,Heat shields , etc.
Later:Cam + spring + pushrods swap + stage II heads
2000 Black Z-71 K1500 5.3l
ext.cab * !intake baffle * !MAF screen * !EGR mod
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