Go to this webpage
www.indycamaro.com/cccf98.htm

Go down about 1/2 way.
Look for the paragraph that starts
"Chevrolet Motor Division"
There are NO pictures of that car, tho.

Just that one special sentence.

I wonder if we can get pics from GM about that engine & car?
Have you ever heard or seen that 1983 Yellow Camaro?

I just emailed this thread to Chevy.
I wonder what their response will be?
So far, for the past three emails, I've sent them, they have responded within several days

Hope we get some results and we can adapt something to this engine, using their ideas.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

[This message has been edited by KED85 (edited July 21, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by KED85 (edited July 21, 2001).]

 

well I would like to see it too...

 

BTW Ked what do you think a mini tunnel ram intake would do for our 3.1'S? I know you have the 3.4 bit it should fit that too... I was thinking of building something like that later this year. I measured out the intake ports and they look pretty much like 1 by 1.75. I can get steel tubing that size(still tring to find aluminum that size though.) I have found a boat load of companies that can make the fuel rail so thats no prob. I was thinking maybe around 15 HP??? maybe more cause I am sure they will flow alot more air with less turbulance.

Anyway I was thinking of welded 1x1.75 runners and a squared off intake body. Kinda like the LT1 style.

 

I may have pictures of those car, remamber my father was tech of,SCCA and IMSA. I will look for the I may have a pic.

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Chevy 2.8L, k&n filter lid, Headers Soon!!!
http://www.geocities.com/fiream/RobsCarArtPa.html?994187591828

 

NOW A TUNNEL RAM IS A WAY COOL VISUAL IDEA!!
See if ya can mock up a Pic of one.
Heck, think of the old Kinsler Fuel Injection systems, recently shown on the Hot Rod cover.
I remember those as a kid, it is a visual image, so strong & FAST looking!
I want the response from GM & let's see what they say.
This could have been the foundation for the K & F Supercharger.
Blower on top of intake.
I'd love to see a pic for an idea!
I think a Tunnel Ram is a way bitching idea
Take two middle pieces & put the together, something on top of it, then!

What I plan on doing to my S-10 Blazer, the intakes are same from Edelbrock & my 2.8 Carb set up (yes, it's different, too, I know).
I go get an extra stock intake, modify it for the 500CFM Holley 2-bbl, I have!
That trick is spelled out in detail in my 1993 Chevy Performance Parts book. Modify base (for fit & attachment-drill holes) & grind away at center divider.
Instant hopped up engine!
This original 2SE carb is rather performance restricted.
Functionally great, now that's it's rebuilt!
I hope to start my Blazer rebuild, today!
Or push it across the street, again (street sweeping & tickets).



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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well I plan on making the top plate removable and the rest of it welded togeather. I might be able to make the top plate accept a 144 chager???? If I get the money to buy one that is.. That would be bad A$$... Well the metal I am looking at is 4130 chromolly steel that is .065 thick, I think that should be more than able to withstand the charger though.... See what happens when I get bored hangng around the house?... I need a full fledged machine shop really bad to make all these ideas come to life...

I was thinking around 3-4 inch runners and mount the injectors on the outside at a heavy angle to get the least resistance and better flow mixture. It probly won't be pretty for a while after it gets done but hell who cares? If you can mount a 144 Charger no one is gonna look at the intake there too busy looking at the charger...

 

hey ked do you remember make honda air intake tube set up one guy said he used. I remember is it was a honda 96-99 something??? For now I would not mind paying 80 something bucks for a polished intake tube.

 

GO TO ANY ***** EXHAUST SHOP.
Have them make you one, custom.
Just bring them the end K & N Filter housing and let them do the rest, now.
You show them where it gets hooked up to (your car intake).
It'll cost you one six pack and one hour labor plus short section piping=$60.
You supply the filter.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well... I live in a bum *uck town and there is not even a "real" performance shop(with in 1 hour) never mind he "import" performance shop... I just wanted a nice shiny intake tube... Anyway wadda think about the possible 144 mounting???? I do not think a 144 will blow our engines apart but will help the response of them...

 

I happen to ask a guy (my machinist) what size turbo would be a good score at a wrecking yard.
He SUGGESTED, what is properly sized to the engine.
That said, I go "Turbo from a Ford, those four cylinder things & Chrysler"
No to small, you want Buick Turbos.
OK
Let's go sideways.
What GM product had a supercharger on a 6?
The Grand Prix's. I believe the ASC models.
Find out what size that superC. was and work from that knowledge.
GM did the size spec/engineering for us.
That one went on (I believe) the 3.8 V-6. So, there is alteast a starting point.
AND AS A BONUS
Didn't Ford Thunderbirds have V-6 supercharged (Eatons), ALSO!!!!!
There's another score!
Let us know, sounds like a decent idea foundation. May BE INEXPENSIVE, too.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Well I was thinking after I got a few made and dyno'ed just to see what they can do to a stock 3.1/2.8 I was going to do a limited production(like 4-5 a month) and sell them for between 350-400(depends on the price I can get for the injectors) Or maybe in the neigborhood of 2-300 for the set up minus the injectors. Probly the on the upper end of that buts that the idea of the price range I am looking at for the different set ups. That will include the upper and lower intake, bigger injectore (leaning towards 24-25LBs) with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator the fuel hose adapters and the fuel rails. For that I do not hink it is too high... especially if it actually makes some big numbers for just over stock. Like I said I was think it might free up 15-20 ponies... But for the 3.1/2.8 thats a lot of power increase for just an intake.
Not to mention that after I get the first one made I am going to be working on headers to mount turbo's into a stock engine bay(leaning at the dodge 4 banger type) and just make a but load of re-mounting brackets to move stuff around to get it all to fit right. The after works of projects would be adaptable to the "new" mini ram intake... Anyway thats the ideas I am working on...

 

Make the idea LIVE!
It could work.
Find someone that works on PLANES.
Thy have lots of turbo ides floating around.
Man, you gonna make the engine bay look like that one Datsun thing that was shown a short time ago? Twin turbos!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

LOL.... But after I get the one turbo down the second would be cake...

 

Are you by Chicago Airport area?
I know there are airplane mechanics there.
Take them your ideas
AND seek out Garret, they are turbo makes for automobiles.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Too bad you can't use the turbo's from the old Dodge's and Chryslers. I saw about 10 of them the last time i hit the bone yard....oh well.

 

They are just undersized, apparently.
BUT, the idea is a good thing to work from.
Wonder how hard it is to find a Buick Turbo in the yards?

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well I am in southern Illinois.. basically I am surrounded by freakin corn fields... But yes I can use dodge turbo's.. after I get some prototypes done they will be of the utmost usefullness.

 

You need a pic of the Buick Turbo set to duplicate.
Let the engineers of GM design this set up

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Air-research make the Txx series of turbos. Holset is the turbo division of cummins engine company. And if you look in the pontiac performance parts bin (GM factory performance) you'll find the SDX4. A turbo charged 2.8 designed (and sold as aftermarket) for the Fiero. You'll also find a wiring harness to transplant a Quad-4 into one. Look hard, I'm suprised I still remember this stuff after 13 years.

 

well I know how the buicks are set up.. and I plan on doing basically the same set up... but actually have the a/c and all accesories still under the hood in the meantime. Well you can get the Dodge turbos to 20 or so PSI I have seen it done to a few shelby daytonas' and the engine took it. I think the smaller tubo will spool up alot faster but will peak out faster too... Its a give and take thing but if I can get one of the small turbo's to work then hell I can change the mounting flange and run something bigger. The smaller turbo will also be a better testing bed to start with(not to mention alot cheaper) with a much lower probibility of blowing a piston to australia!

 

I DO NOT DOUBT YA,
BUT,
I'd love to see some info on this Super Duty X -4 cylinder engine (SDX4) for Fiero's.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Here is the response I just got from Chevrolet.
Anyone close by this area code for phoning?
Wish they supplied an email address, DRAT!!

I'm gonna ask back for an email address.
The quest continues!

Thank you again for contacting the GM Internet Response Center.

We have had the opportunity to review your request. For pictures as well as electronic images of
Chevrolet and other General Motors vehicles please contact the General Motors Media Archives at
(313) 556-1434. They should be able to assist you with obtaining the images you want. There may be
charges related to this service. Please contact them for complete details. Thanks again for
contacting us.

If we can be of further assistance in providing information on our current product line, please
contact the New Product Information Center at 1-800-962-2868 from 7 a.m. - 10 p.m. CST, 7 days a
week.

Sincerely,

Cynthia Murphy
Customer Relationship Manager
GM Internet Response Center

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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Camaro_hunters post made me think about something. The 4 banger dodge is a 2.2L. Now 2.2 X 2 = 4.4 right? That's close enough flow for a TT 4.3.

 

heading for a turbo 4.3 cyclone build type motor first... it has the real possibility first...

 

You are so correct in your ideas.
Keep at it!
But, wouldn't a 3.8 Buick Turbo insatllation be easier to duplicate?

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well... easier???? probly about the same sense I am going to install the intercooler... its the same block either way so it would be just as easy/diffacult rather...

 

Com'n.
We know the V-6 Buick is not a V-8 Chevy Minus two cylinders.
The motor mounts for the Buicks do exist for installation in the Trans Am.
BUT
Doing the Syclone into the F3's would be a rather unique idea to do.
IT's been chatted about before, so there is no reason not to be able to put it together.
BUT, with that drivetrain, it's illegal (smog law swap atleast in CA) where as the Buick was installed in the cars, so you do have a better chance to get it approved for the road.
OPEN WALLET!
Did you score that engine yet?

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well theres a guy selling 2(yes 2) 4.3's for 500 bucks but there the normal engines... I am still thinking about those though... And I forgot to mention that I live in a non emissions area so I am very lucky!...

 

There are LOTS of options out there, when ya are NOT PUSHED TO MAKE A DECISIION.
Plan and seek.
You may change course when you find a better option.
Like maybe building a 3.8 turbo set up!
Keep at it and keep us all up to date.
Inspiration is what keeps Hot Rodders in the garage!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

well do you think that the smog guy could tell the diff between the 3.8 and the 4.3??? I would be hard pressed to tell under all those hoses and what not. They should be about the same emission rating... 4.3 just has a few more cubes. Afterall you could burn a chip to control emissions when you go to test and then leave and change chips!. Or better yet go with the HP chip test then if its a little(or alot) over change then test again for free! and blow the guys mind with the difference when you have not even left the parking lot!. I did that with a dodge laser/daytona turbo, had a HP chip and was not sure would pass so I brought the stock chip and failed. Pulled the comp changed the chip then had half the emissions just 5 minutes ago. The guy asked what I did and I said I changed chips and he laughed.

 

Keep searching for your engine.
Sounds like a way cool plan!
Especially your version on what chips can do.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA