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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Ok I have no daily driver right now except the camaro so my turbo project is going to be on hold.. but i have a cam kit sitting in my room and was thinking that why dont i just put it on.... Well, has anyone put 1.6 roller tip rockers on the 6/60 motors??? Anyone have any idea what the pushrod length should be??? Im praying for a good 20 horsepower out of the cam, lifters, springs, and possibly the roller tip rockers. I have a comp cam 260 ad. durration. Jezz thats like $400 in parts if i get these rockers! So like i said.. i pray for a 20 Hp gain.. Thanks for any info about the idea of rollertip rockers..
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

I put roller tip 1.6 rockers on mine. I re-used to stock pushrods. Get rocker for a sbc non-self aligning. You'll have a few extras and it'll be cheaper than buying some specifically for the v6. just watch for the stud diameter...iirc, ours are metric, right?
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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There 10mm right??? NOT 3/8 inch. Arent small blocks 3/8 inch?
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

the v6 uses a 10mm stud the sbc uses a 3/8's comp cam ssells conversion studs but they are exspensive.

if u are only using a stamped roller tip 1.6 rocker get the sbc set they are cheaper, what u have to do is reuse the pivot ball from the v6 rocker withthe sbc rocker.

if u are getting the extruded full roller rocker u will need to buy the v6 ones which are exspensive.

imho get stamped 1.6 roller tip rockers the cheaper price far out wieghs any gains u will see with the full roller version. the extra 100-175 bucks for the full rollers might get u 2-3 hp tops.

most of the power gain u will get is going to come from the increased lift ratio of the 1.6 rocker not the roller part
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

use these

1.6 roller tip 59$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBC-C...item588e4ab2b6

throw away the pivot ***** and nuts, and reuse the ones off ur motor
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:30 PM
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Ok ... and i can use the same push rods right. This still clears the valve cover, correct? Thanks again!

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:35 PM
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yes reuse the stock pushrods, im not 100% sure on those clearing the stock valve covers, they should but if not u can stack 2 gaskets withsome rtv inbetween them to seal them to make them clear.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:48 PM
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ok thanks again!
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 11:58 AM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Get yourself a set of Fiero aluminum valve covers. They should give you the extra clearance you need, plus they clean up and look MUCH better than stock!
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

yup, I think thats what I did about the pivots, too! just make sure they're in good shape...if they're scar'd up or anything...they'll tear up your new rockers.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 06:14 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

ok ill keep that in mid.. thanks for the tips! Any ideas what the cam and roller combo would do for HP without a tune, i also plan on port/polish the crappy heads?? Although i will tune in time.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Stamped(ie. non rollers) should clear stock VCs, while rollers require fiero VCs, or at least this is what I have inferred from asking various people if their 1.6 rockers cleared. As for power gains, 20 hp seems optimistic to me, probably more like 5-15, If I had to guess 10. Tell you what though when I finally get my car on the dyno I better have at least 180 hp or I am going to be an angry panda, lol. Cam, ported heads and intake, and full exhaust, and a gutted dual snorkel air box. Hoping I have about 200 hp, heads are the weak links in these motors, not to say the other stuff won't help, just that it will help a lot more when combined with porting.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

project, there are stamped non roller and stamped roller tip. then, there's full roller that are often aluminum but much more bulky. I don't know the cam specs but I don't think 20hp would be far fetched at all. If you can't get 20 with a cam swap...you should've gotten a bigger cam!
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

I have a 260, its as far as I can go without tuning and higher stall TQ converter. I will say its too damned small though, I want lope damnit! And my powerband is too mid range, I want peak power at 6k. I suspect mine makes peak at around 4-5k, hard to say without a tach, and people ask me why I put a tach in an automatic car If it can give that much power though I might have around 200 then, but Idk, stock engine makes 160, and after looking up and comparing the profiles, that 3.4 cam isn't far behind the 260 grind, I would say the 260 grind is a LITTLE bit more aggressive, but mainly the difference is the 3.4 cam is more low end I believe.
If I keep to this engine I will go with a bigger cam when I swap heads. Though after discovering that a 3.6 LLT can be had in the $800-4k range, depending on how complete it is and mileage I don't think I will. Probably gonna get it running as is, finish the rest of the car, and save for the swap, good news is I have another car for a DD now, and I think I finally found myself a garage for my internship.(aka I will finally have money to do real work on the camaro again)

Also, I usually denote rockers by stamped(no rollers at all), roller fulcrum, roller tip, and full roller..so different terminology I suppose, but the roller tips and fulcrums might work, though I am pretty sure full rollers wouldn't.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by project89
yes reuse the stock pushrods, im not 100% sure on those clearing the stock valve covers, they should but if not u can stack 2 gaskets withsome rtv inbetween them to seal them to make them clear.
NO you can not use the stock push rods trust me they will chip at the ends
I have yet to see a clearance issue with roller tips.. but always check
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by micktroup2
Get yourself a set of Fiero aluminum valve covers. They should give you the extra clearance you need, plus they clean up and look MUCH better than stock!
What year/model Fiero? Will they bolt right on to any 2.8/3.1/3.4?
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by 88gta3508
NO you can not use the stock push rods trust me they will chip at the ends
I have yet to see a clearance issue with roller tips.. but always check
really? i ran mine just like this for a long time...
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 08:09 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

I tried that way back in 89 when they where the bomb and they chipped many of my OEM push rods.... take a peak sometime
just giving you a fair warning

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my crane gold 1.6 rollers dont hit my valve covers
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by 88gta3508
NO you can not use the stock push rods trust me they will chip at the ends
I have yet to see a clearance issue with roller tips.. but always check
the stock pushrods are the correct lenght, urs just went bad or u had no oil flow up the pushrod to the rocker
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Ok heres the project for me this winter. Port and polish the crappy heads, put the cam in i have(adv. dur. 260, lift .440 exhaust/intake)already, if i can $$ get headers to finish off my exhaust, put the 1.6 roller tip stamped rockers on. Now this car has 140Hp stock....im gonna be dissipointed to not gain at least 20hp from these mods listed for my winter projects. This car is running solid 16.70-80's(depends on the day) as is with the stuff ive done so before now, so im praying to play with the 16.50-60 next spring.

Thanks for the tips on the push rods....ill make sure they look good when i take them out and reuse the stock.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:53 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

NO NO NO project there was plenty of oil.. the PR were perfect before installing CC roller tip rockers they were 3/4 turn past zero... never lost adj the OEM PR would chip @ the oil opening... again just giving a heads up!!!!!
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:08 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

ok well im not going into the heads, cam for a few weeks... ill look into custom pushrods but if there that much mabey i should just lay off on the 1.6 rocker idea.....?
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by 88gta3508
NO NO NO project there was plenty of oil.. the PR were perfect before installing CC roller tip rockers they were 3/4 turn past zero... never lost adj the OEM PR would chip @ the oil opening... again just giving a heads up!!!!!

if u chiped the pushrods u had something else going on, i run a massive cam with massive spring presures on stock pushrods over 8,000 rpms with no issues.
many other ppl here run aftermarket rockers with stock pushrods no problems.

urs were either galled to begin with or u had other issues

edi just inspect the ends of ur pushrods and make sure they are smooth theres no reason to replace them at all unless it is galled up, and even then 1$ a piece stock replacements from ur local parts store is fine, same goes with the rocker pivot ***** make sure there smooth and dont have any scratches etc in them.

also when u swap on the rockers take each pushrod and make sure u can see threw/blow threw the middle of it , if u cant u wont get oil up to that rocker
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:22 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Ok im gonna do that project89.. Ill look them over and if i have doubts ill just get new oem ones.. Ill be gettign into the engine next week, or the next probly.. ill post some pics of the old stuff coming out of the engine.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:25 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

thank you for the tip all bases were covered.. they were micro chips... almost UN-noticible
when I changed them to CC PR.. they did not chip... again this was 89 or so 83 engine I'll chalk this up against OEM PR

I had a 327 cam / springs that loved 7,000 rpm's I scene others with the same chipping
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Also, you can roll the pushrods on a table or something thats flat to make sure they're not bent.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 05:31 AM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Or take two and twist them together, I prefer doing that as not at all tables are as flat as we would like to think.
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Old Aug 10, 2012 | 09:22 AM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

If they clear the stock valve covers, I'm gonna do the roller rockers next month. I'll just get the oem replacement prs and new oem pivots just to be safe, being this is my dd.
Might polish up the intake while its off. Can't hurt anything.
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

sorry opening up a old thread. @ Fasteddi @ project3.4

i have decided to just go with the 3.1 Rebuild to a nice 3.2 L reliable daily driver due to if i did a 3.4 swap i would need to buy 3.4 injectors and i can get a complete 3.1 for 250$ and can rebuild it perfectly so when my 3.1 is on its last leg im ready to swap it with less down time!

Project 3.4 Camaro: You seem to be the expert on these 3.1 Liter v6 builds and Fasteddi 2. Thank you guys for helping!

+ clean block
+ bore block 0.030
+ 260 delta grind cam (recommended by project89)
+ Rings (plasma moly or moly rings) @ project89
+ bearings ? (what kind)

+ 1.6 rockers how can i ensure i have valve clearance? the clearance will still be an issue if i get the FIERO Valve Covers?

+ which set of vavle springs should i get to match my CAM (keepers/retainers)
+ new pistons KB Links ?
+ new head bolts stock should be fine with my old ones ?
+ new rings (plasma moly or moly rings) @ project89
+ push rods ......? steel or al i was thinking Alu what kind ?


Current Upgrades on my V6 3.1

Exhaust dynomax 2.5 pipes
stock exhaust manifold :/ shitty
moates chip burned by fasteddi
cold air intake snorkel with K and N.
Aluminum driveshaft
9 bolt 3.27 posi 4 wheel disc
everything else is pretty much stock EGR, replaced my 700r4 tranny new from gm 8months ago.
caps,spark plugs, wires, ignition module replaced, radaitor replaced,

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Old May 7, 2013 | 03:11 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

Originally Posted by KG427KG427
sorry opening up a old thread. @ Fasteddi @ project3.4

I have debated over a 3.4 swap to rebuilding a 3.1 to swapping an LS1.

i have decided to just go with the 3.1 Rebuild to a nice 3.2 L reliable daily driver hoping to be around 200HP like fast said. My reasoning behind rebuilding a 3.1 is i currently have a 3.1 with over 320K miles and it runs great but i can obtain a 3.1 complete engine with everything for 250$ so extra computer oil pan fuel injectors everything! if i got a 3.4 i would need to buy new injectors thats 600$ right there. i live in CA so i have to pass smog so i cant do HEADERS

Project 3.4 Camaro: You seem to be the expert on these 3.1 Liter v6 builds and Fasteddi 2. Thank you guys for helping!

+ clean block
+ 260 delta grind cam or should i go with a different cam 270 ?
+ port heads .010 or .030
+ 1.6 rockers ( fiero vavle covers) 1.52 or 1.6 // pros cons
+ new pistons (what kind) KB ? Links ?
+ new head bolts (what kind)
+ new valve springs (what kind)
+ new rings (what kind)
+ push rods ......? steel or al i was thinking Alu what kind ?

Current Upgrades on my V6 3.1

Exhaust dynomax 2.5 pipes
stock exhaust manifold :/ shitty
moates chip burned by fasteddi
cold air intake snorkel with K and N.
Aluminum driveshaft
9 bolt 3.27 posi 4 wheel disc
everything else is pretty much stock EGR, replaced my 700r4 tranny new from gm 8months ago.
caps,spark plugs, wires, ignition module replaced, radaitor replaced,
bore the block .030 new cam bearings etc

260 cam is fine the 272 may give u some trouble passing the sniffer in ca
the valve springs will have to matched to whatever cam u deceide on

port the heads and have them milled to clean them up

if u use 1.6 rockers u will have to have the heads checked for valve lift clearance or u may end up with the retainer hitting the valve guide

look on ebay for kb pistions u can usually pick them up for 30 bucks a set of 6

get a set of plasma moly or moly rings

stock replacement head bolts
stock replacement pushrods of urs need to be replaced
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Old May 7, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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Re: Roller tip rockers?? 1.6

[ @=project89 ] How we looking boss, anything else we could add or forgetting?

3.1 Rebuild *

+ clean block
+ bore block 0.030
+ 260 delta grind cam (recommended by project89)
+ Rings (plasma moly or moly rings) @ project89
+ bearings ? (what kind)

+ 1.6 rockers how can i ensure i have valve clearance? the clearance will still be an issue if i get the FIERO Valve Covers?

+ which set of vavle springs should i get to match my CAM (keepers/retainers)
+ new pistons KB Links ?
+ new head bolts stock should be fine with my old ones ?
+ new rings (plasma moly or moly rings) @ project89
+ push rods ......? steel or al i was thinking Alu what kind ?
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