My uncle ran into 3 garrett t3 turbos in good shape, bought them all for... 100 bucks! Im gonna get a 2.8 from an 88 camaro from a junkyard over here by me for 150 bucks. Everything will be done at my hands except for the custom headers! Since i got the 3 turbos (an extra in case) and the engine for 250 bucks.. i could conceivably build the engine for (without the cost of the headers) around 1500! If i dont get this engine, i might have to wait a bit to start the build up.. since all the engines around here are all expensive... Ill post as i go when i start!

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[This message has been edited by Graeme'sFirebird (edited November 05, 2001).]

 

What is up with all of this. In the last 3 months I have seen countless people talking about making turbo set ups for thir cars. Where was all this ingenuity a year or two ago? Is it the fact that once I bought my TTA the turbo bug bit everyone?
I hope someone pulls through on this one.
Just make sure you do full documentation so someone else can follow your work up to.
How funny would it be having 3.1 and 2.8 F-bodies becoming true road warriors

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

 

Sorry tell you this but to twin t to 2.8-3.4 is well... pointless. Just do a big single turbo and you'll actually get more power. Less spool up time, quicker response and easier to fit under the hood.

 

I was going to last year, but i wasnt working and now i am and i can afford to.

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In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Good luck with that man!

 

Kyle F, didn't even have a firebird a yr ago, had the 76 bonnie, hunter, your right, not much room under the hood, graeme, more power to ya!

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$150.00 2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived , but put on hold (4 now)
working on dismantling engine, & finding out what parts I need (and Really want)

[This message has been edited by Project: 85 2.8 bird (edited November 04, 2001).]

 

hey gramae, ill sell you my whole car for 700. you just have to get it to CA. new everything, but needs a rebuild.

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1995 Camaro
3.4 with 4L60E
Stock...for now

Currently being redone:

1988 Camaro
2.8 with T5
threw a rod...
Soon to have a 350 TPI out of an '85 vette...
http://www.nothingssafe.com

 

Twin turbo is pointless with the size turbo you have. Stick with a single turbo. Easier to make and will be faster. What kinda waste gate do you plan on using? Are you going to use an automatic or a manual? If a manual what kinda BOV do you plan on using? For this to work right you will be spending more than any $1500. Good luck

 

Good luck on this. But make up Documentation, and Pictures, Lots of Pictures. I would like to see this as well as Dyno Results... I will enjoy seeing how this project turns out. Keep Us updated on what you do...

 

I really dont think you know how much trouble the after part is going to be. Im sure you can get the turbo on and running, that isnt that hard. But if you plan on keeping the car and doing stuff to it you will have to tune the turbo setup. The really only way to do that is with a dyno and I dont know about you but my garage didnt come with one. You might could get away with a G-tech pro but it will still be off. You will need to burn you a chip too. Bigger injectors. I would get better brakes too. Different tranny, once again I suggest the T-56. If you dont wanna spend money on that get a 90-92 (should be a strong year) T5 tranny (V8 one and not the V6 version). Your rear end will last about one good launch then you will be picking it up off the ground. So get a 12 bolt GM rear end made for the 3rd gens. Other than that.......I think you are good to go!


Edit: OHHH! I forgot. The radiator you have...shes gotta go! I wish the best of luck! BTW do you still think its only gonna cost $1500????

[This message has been edited by Monkie (edited November 05, 2001).]

 

Im talking ENGINE ONLY SETUP for 1500. Not everything. I have a t56 in storage, my step dad is getting a 9" ford later this month. The car will only be setup for track.

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1972 Chevy Chevelle "Malibu"
Hooker Headers, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, accel 8.8 wires,Edelbrock performer intake Edelbrock Carb, Torque Thrust "D" wheels
Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Hey if you're gonna get another bird, graeme, check these tail lights out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...item=597472485

That's not bad for TTA tails.

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 80 Series, More to come......
Pioneer DEH-11
Targa E-910 7-Band Equalizer w/ crossover
2x 10" Pioneer subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
2- 6x9" Pioneer (rear)
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

 

Thats a really good idea...!

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Hooker Headers, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, accel 8.8 wires,Edelbrock performer intake Edelbrock Carb, Torque Thrust "D" wheels
Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Dont take those away from a TTA owner who needs them. Shame on you, have some custom Turbo badges done for your car.

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

 

I say take it!!!!

 

Well.. since everyone has jumped all over me for the idea, i decided not to. Im gonna sink the money into a 142 blower for my chevelle... its nice when i wanna try doing something where others could benefit and i get yelled at it for doing it, even for those ****ing tta taillights, which i wasnt going to buy.

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Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Hey guy I was not jumping all over you telling you not to do it. Turbo it great, I was just saying that a single T3 would work out alot betting in the long run. Constructive critism from me. The taillight I could give a ratts *** about. Just tring to plumb 2 turbo's under a tight hood and with VERY limited space, is more difficult then you probly want to do. I am in the process of tring to get the equipment to build/fabracate a turbo set up for our cars.

 

monkie, have you ever broke a ten bolt? An automatic set up for racing on a 7 5/8 inch isnt as much of a death wish as you may think. How in the hell is a T56 supposed bolt up to a 60* engine? I dont think this turbo setup is out of the realm of possiblilty...in fact I think (depending on location of hair dryers) that it will be pretty worth while and maybe not too bad of a build up. I would however, reccomend talking to the guys on the power adder board as they know a lot more than most that hang out on the V6 board.

 

A t56 can fit a 60* by having a machinist redrill the bellhousing, redrilling the flywheel for a v8 clutch, and all the other little stuff.

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Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Tons of people on this site says I'm "gonna do this", but do you people actually ever do any of these mods!

 

Here come the trolls.

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Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Dude I know alot more about this than you do so just back down. thanks alot! Oh if you think your rear end will hold up...LOL put 340 pounds of torque behind it and watch the bolts fly!

 

monkey is this some kind of sick joke?

 

i say go for it dude...

turbos + V6's = kick a$$!

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'86WS7
Ram Air...
*EiyseWhite*

 

First off its Monkie and I have taken an auto tech class for 3 years and know how to take the engine apart and put back together in about a good day I would say. Everything I said I promise you you would need to make the turbo swap work right. Sure if you leave your stock radiator on it would run but leave your car idling for a while and watch the numbers sky rocket. Do you have any idea how much heat a turbo creates? And do you think the stock rear end will hold up with a turbo behind it? Yea ask how many 86 Camaros run 13s with the stock rear end not messed with. Im sure it would be none. T56 tranny, well thats easy there is even a site that has a step by step walk through on how to do it. What else am I missing....? I think thats it. Well, enjoy. Let me know if I can help out anymore!

 

Not to mention that we dont have POSI. Yea Im sure a turbo would help out with the traction issue we have. Not trying to be a smart *** or anything, just pointing things out for anyone interested in doing the turbo idea.

 

Not to jump all over you, but a turbo really makes no heat at idle, and you always run an intercooler if you run anyy kind of boost over 7psi. So a Stock radiator could work. There is no difference between my TTA's radiator and that of a 350TPI. Thanks to the grand old INTERCOOLER
My brother has a 89 Camaro RS 305TBI running 13.8 to 14.1 on a 10 Bolt posi out of an 86 Z28 with a Richmond 3.73 gear. I don't know if you consider that touched, but there is nothign there to really strengthen the housing or axels.
It can be done, the 10 Bolts got a bad rap for being a mass produced unit that some had loose tolerences and were POS coming out the gate and would bust in no time. Just lik a lot of other parts on the 80's GM cars

 

Heck , Id do it Graeme . Don't worry about what people think .They wont say anything to you when its runing ..and I dont mean as in cranks up and moves ..I mean haulin as* ..Regardless if you can get a bigger turbo .I think two makes it unique .Maybe some people have one turbo .Very , Very few f-bodys with twin turbo ...Wayne

 

Who pulled your string ?

 

Don't think you are talking to sombody that hasn't been around. A properly build 10 bolt such as the one in my car can take a launch under 500 ft/lbs. If you don't believe me, then go to LS1.com and check out thier 60' times on stock 10 bolts behind automatic transmissions.



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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000rpm stall converter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
13.0 @ 107- N/A
12.5@ 117- 100HP Nitrous

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

Yes I know how to spell camaro- so dont ask. I didnt make the link

 

Question on the intercooler: When exactly is it needed, as in how much boost before one is needed?

Kyle F mentioned anything more than 7psi will need it. Although I don't know as much as I think I do about this, I do agree with it. Which brings up that wonderful vortech kit for the ls1 w/aftercooler. it puts out a whopping 4.5 psi (I don't know the ls1's CR, but it's high) and they put an aftercooler on it. Is this actually functional or just something to add $500 to the price of the kit & hide the engine. I'm planning on 6-7psi MAX so as not to melt the pistons too fast. just wondering.......

edit: for those interested, northern tool has a pipe bender that goes up to 3", table top model for like $200 + shipping.
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$150.00 2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived , but put on hold (4 now)
working on dismantling engine, & finding out what parts I need (and Really want)

[This message has been edited by Project: 85 2.8 bird (edited November 07, 2001).]

 

You people b*tch about not being able to fit a twin turbo setup under our hoods... please. Our engine bays have plenty of room. Don't believe me?

Feast your eyes on this:

http://www.unlimited-racing.com/twin.htm

Now shut up and get modding.

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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

C'mon, spin 'em for papa...
http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

 

Its not JUST about room. We the 3.1 V6's that is do not create enough exhaust gas to push 2 turbos to get them to spool up in any amount of time to be usefull. Now could i build a set up using 2 hairdriers under the hood? Yes. But there would be too little a room left over for the intercooler. I know I have a good 6 inches of room behind the radiator to mount *hit. But I want that intercooler in 1 of two places. In a custom hood that would have a decent sized opening to force air into it, or in that nice littel opening in the front bumper. That it, those are the only 2 viable options for us to mount an intercooler. Now if you know of someone that could pass safety inspection after ripping their front bumper apart and removing half the material just so they sould run the two pipes through there for the intercooler the hood option is the only real one left.
And sorry to say monkie the turbo does not create anything unless its spooling, so at idle no decent amount of heat will be generated. As a question monkie were you planning on running an oil cooler before the turbo feed?. I would highly recomend it.

I wrote a reply to a topic a while back explaining the concerns for installing a turbo, its not just a "bolt in" operation. You have to modify just about everything. fuel system, drive train, oiling system, computer, exhaust, intake, even the electrical because of the extra turbo gadgets you'll be running.

By no means am I saying DON'T DO IT monkie, I am just saying go slow, measure 4 times cut once and think off all the little things FIRST cause they matter more. I can give you pointers if you want to try to solve *hit, lord knows I can do that. Look over our current engine controls and see if anything will conflict with the high MAP system you will be running, get stronger bolts for the intake. On the upper/middle connection drill that hole completely through and use a longer bolt to really bolt the 2 togeather if you plan on going high boost levels.

Oh and the the one that was wondering about the intercooler needs. An intercooler is needed basically whenever a turbo is used, not just below this or that boost level. An intercooler can have a dramatic effect on the power the engine can make by dropping the intake air temp by 90 degrees most the time. NOW what does matter is the size. The SIZE HAS TO MATCH THE AMOUNT OF AIR YOU ARE PUSHING. Too small the air does not get cooled, too big pressure drop. In pressure drop situations its like the charge gets "lost/wonders off" in the intercooler. But as long as your not tring to use a Kenworth intercooler you should be fine.

 

Now thats what Im talking about! 377ci of twin blown ****!!!! I think this idea to turbo our cars is very do-able just the question is is anyone willing to do it?

 

I agree I was wrong. You're right it doesnt spool at idle. But the extra room it will take up will still make your car over heat. While you are driving it creates heat, when you are in idle it stops spooling but the heat is still there. So I wasnt 100% wrong. Bottom line, new radiator is a must.

 

how could you be wrong monkie, after all you can take an engine apart and put it back together in a good day. Believe it or not, somebody else here knows a hell of a lot more about this than you do. Instead of replying with some half as sed answer, maybe you should try leaning back and just reading the threads every once in a while.

If youre worried about spool up time, I would suggest looking into the turbos that the stock supras run. They do have roulghly the same engine size as the 60*V6 and make plenty of power when worked over.

 

camaro_hunter, I wasn't bashing you. I was simply putting to rest the arguement that we don't have enough room. We do. EOF.

And vortec has a very good point. Twin Turbos will work if the turbo's are small enough... Otherwise using a custom y-pipe to push all the exhaust gasses through the turbo will be needed. You weren't thinking of running the turbo off just one side, where you? That'd be the same as your arguement about the TT setup "not enough exhaust"

This is a complicated adventure. Will it be worth it? Argueable... With the money you put into a turbo or even TT setup you could rebuild with forged innards and ARP stuff and run a 200 shot all day... but then there the question of NO2 controllers and such. Plus turbo's give you bragging rights and they're there all the time.

Me personally? I'd rather run a turbo over any other power adder. Just because...

Good luck, and happy modding.

(P.S. I'm not trying to sound high and mighty... these are just my observations, and it looks simple enough to me. There is no need to argue about this... lets all work together to make this work. It will benefit us all.)

[This message has been edited by Xenodrgn (edited November 07, 2001).]

 

turbo where the A/C was, damn, never even thought of that, even when I yanked it. will see if it'll fit tonight & let yall know.

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$150.00 2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived, but put on hold (4 now)
working on dismantling engine, & finding out what parts I need (and Really want)

 

Awww little girl getting angry? Dude, EVERYTHING I said would have to be changed in order for the thing to work right. Period man. Thats how it is. If you wanna back up out off my *** , feel free to I dont recall putting you down to a point to where I make you get pissed. If I did my back, just breath and it will all be ok. Oh I wasn't wrong because at idle it would still be producing more heat than usual so

 

Ok I was going to have a cross over pipe and run a twin inlet flange for the turbo, running off of one side is pointless, no exhaust pressure. Wile running 2 smaller turbos will get rid of the spool up issue they also peak power very quickly. So in most cases(Yes even in supra's) you will find the biggest number in the larger offset T3/4, T3/5 and T4/5 making th big numbers. Twins are good fro bragging rights yes, but you also have to lose your A/C and remount just about everything to get them to fit under the hood. Me persaonally want to keep the A/C, I kinda need it during the 100 plus deg summer days with no breeze. And no moving fast does not help any. No the under hood heat that monkie is keen on is a reality that needs to be taken care of.
I was planing on solving this with my redesigned hood that yes has the scoop for the intercooler but it will also have a exit draw from behind the intercooler. This would draw heat like a magnet. Faster moving(vacuum) outside air versus Low pressure hot air. Hot air go woooooooosh fighting to get out. I was gonna further this action by making custom fenders with a rough 2 inch flare in front of the doors to suck air out and even if need be make a Bottom pan from the K frame to the firewall under the car to seal it as best as possible so the extremely low pressure below the moving car would also help pull out the heat.

I have thought this thing though long and hard and have solved all the problems that I can come up with. And yes I was going to go with a griffen or be cool radiator just as a precaution, but I really do not think that its really needed. But quite a few remote coolers are needed for various things. 2 oil coolers, one before the turbo(s) then after the turbo(s) to the engine return and if you have an auto get a big cooler for it. I was even thinking of a fuel cooler as a extra precauion before the injectors to keep the fuel cold as possible.

 

chalk another useless post up for monkie, nice work calling me a girl...very origional. You are the reason why I would take this to the power adder board ASAP and let those guys look over the plans.

Monkie=useless

 

Go for it! let them tell u that I am right. I would love that. Its funny how you are the only one arguing with me. Maybe because everyone else knows that I am right and EVERYTHING that I said you would have to replace to make it work right is true. But whatever I am done talking to the wall. If you think I am wrong more power to ya!

 

^^^^is this a picture of the old man that you pay to suck your sausage?

yeah why dont you scroll back up and see that only ONE person agreed with you on ONE thing. And after your post you were mocked by more than just me. Its ok to have selective reading monkie....just dont tell me about it

you said you cant use a ten bolt- wrong
you said you can use a T56 behind a V6- wrong
you said turbo cars overheat in traffic-wrong

[This message has been edited by vortecfcar (edited November 07, 2001).]

 

Actually... you can use a t56 behind a 3rdgen. My t5 in my firebird was from a v8, all i had to have done was redrill the bellhousing and also the flywheel. I had plans for it that i couldnt afford... oh well.

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1972 Chevy Chevelle "Malibu"
Hooker Headers, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, accel 8.8 wires,Edelbrock performer intake Edelbrock Carb, Torque Thrust "D" wheels
Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by vortecfcar:
[B]^^^^is this a picture of the old man that you pay to suck your sausage?

I thought that was Osama Bin Ladin at first . . I get mad when I look at that S.O.B. ....

 

I do not think that monkie said that he COULD NOT use a 10 Bolt, he sad that they are inheantly weak, which they are. So HE is CORRECT not YOU. have you ever really put turbo power to a 10 bolt? it will explode if you are pushing the kind of power that a turbo motor CAN push. I have seen a 10 explode when the guy had nothing more then a 100 shot of nos. Other then that he was stock. There shoddy rear at best.
He did NOT SAY the car would overheat, he said the underhood temps would be SKY HIGH, which if you had just run a while on a back road, interstate ot traveled any distance above 2500 RPMS it would be hot with the stock set up.
Well sorry monkie on the t56. The only thing I can think of in stock form no they will not fit, they have to be modified, and if you drill out the bell housing you jeperdize the integrity of the bell housing. Which means if you are putting a good load on it the housing snaps and your $1K trans is sitting on the road making sparks.

So Vortecfcar I think you need to go troll elsewhere. Monkie made very valid points, I see that and I think higher of him for that. He at least thought some of this out for himself, unlike you whom no doubt would go running to other for help. Fearfull of the technical side of things.
2 can play this name calling thing Vortec, you'll loose. Since getting into this import parts thing I have learned more about turbos than I really care to have. I know what they do, how they do it and whats done while there doing it. And not to mention how to treat them while there doing it. Heres a question for you Vortec... Whats the number one killer of turbo's? If you cannot answer this ON YOUR OWN, you are outta this arguement.

 

I have a 100 shot of NOS you dumb bastards and I make more power than a V6 with a turbo will on the launch anyway. How do you explain LS1s running 11s with 1.6 sixtys on stock ten bolts...same as the one in '86's. Maybe if you guys didnt think that every non V6 guy here is a troll youd actually learn something. Oh well, just listen to monkie...waste your money and get dumber at the same time.

No wonder nobody here has a quick car, youre all a bunch talkers...

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000rpm stall converter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
13.0 @ 107- N/A
12.5@ 117- 100HP Nitrous

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

Yes I know how to spell camaro- so dont ask. I didnt make the link

 

Those LS1 10 bolts ARE NOT THE SAME as the ones on 3rd GENS you dumb A$$. Yes I did call you a troll because thats exactly what your doing. Tring to prove a guy wrong when he really is'nt. This is really pointless tring to explain this to a self thinking know it all. The 4th Gen 10 bolts are like the 3rds 12 bolt. MUCH STRONGER, and honestly I hope you bust yours to prove it.

 

LOL I give up, trying to tell this guy how to do this is getting like trying to get a blind 5 year old to read. I quit!

 

A bunch of talkers? hmm.. oooook.

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1972 Chevy Chevelle "Malibu"
Hooker Headers, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, accel 8.8 wires,Edelbrock performer intake Edelbrock Carb, Msd Blaster 2 Coil, Torque Thrust "D" wheels
Click here for my Malibu information
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt