Figured I would liven up the V6 board a little bit. I talked about doing a 3.4 swap or waiting for a V8 and getting a separate DD. I decided to just go with the 3.4 for how cheap it was. Cost me $200 plus the gas to go get it. I'm hoping to have it put in next Wednesday. I'll put up a few pictures. Was in really good shape, So I couldn't pass on it. The '93 S10 We took to go get it has the exact same 3.4 swap from the 2.8 so we kind of know what to expect. I'll keep you updated.

 

Need some 1.6 ratio crane roller rockers?

 

What's that hunk of scrap aluminum still hanging off the back of the motor for?


Nice buy at $200, dude.

 

I'm Very low on money at the moment. But what's your price?

Haha, that's exactly what it went for. But the engine is super clean. And the car wasn't even in bad shape, especially engine bay and the entire underneath. I figured it was just an insurance thing and they decided to total it. Not a bad price at all, they even pulled it all for me. Can't beat that. Plus got all of the accessories, and the electric fan all for that. Though I won't even be using the top end.

 

I will let them go for $80.
They are worth a good bit more. They are crane gold race serries.

 

If I come up with the money before I put it in, i'll let you know.

 

If only I wasn't an idiot and planning to attempt a really difficult swap...

 

What would that be?

 

Planning a 3.6 llt swap, I'm sure I'll regret it.

 

Very nice. Hope to see a thread about this.

 

Me too! 300Hp out of a stock V6 is impressive,a nd lighter than the lsx swap!

 

Yeah but I'm not gonna lie, the ls3 is at least as tempting, esp since gm offers it with an ECU and harness to swap it into other/older vehicles. Would def be an easier more powerful swap. Possible I may change my mind and go for the ls3...its only 8 grand, less if I could get it through work, but idk that I can get non replacement parts such as that. If I were loaded, I would get an ls9, 638 hp, titanium conrods and valves..mmm.

 

I am going LS3. Right now I am studing carb tuning with a wide band air fuel ratio meter, vacuum gauge and tach on the old 305 and trying to decide if the LS should be carbed or fuel injected.
I originally thought the carb wouldnt have a chance against fuel injection. Now I know its a pretty good option too.

 

Sorry to jack this thread....I hope the 3.4 swap is a succes!!! And very interesting and helpful as in about one month the turbo set up will be complete on mine and who knows if im gonna get it tuned right as its my first experience with a turbo build. If the turbo is anything like nitrous, i know itll be addictive to keep adding boost!

Best of luck on the Ls3 or LLT 3.6 Swap(project 3.4). Id love to see a LLT swap though. Any ideas on how much that motor weights compared to a ls1 or ls3?? Ive read a few things on the llt and its amazing the tuning that can be done with it, but sadly its not a motor that is easly swapped unlike most lsx's.

 

Where would you be getting the LLT?

 

id be guessing hes getting it from a 5th gen camaro or a Caddy Cts

 

LLTs are readily available on ebay, you can get them under $2k even, most of them lower mileage too, the majority of them are from totaled cars, also something to consider is that the 3.6 llt is to gm what the 60/6 used to be-ie. the main v6 that they stuff in just about anything and everything. Most of them are from CTS's since here in the states thats the car that has had it the longest. As far as weight, the llt is 370 lbs, but that is the first iteration if memory serves, the 2nd only weights 350, downside is it has the exhaust manifolds cast right into the heads as one piece, which is restrictive and doesn't allow for headers to be swapped. Probably I'll look into swapping the newer intake though, as its plastic or w/e it is they use on those these days.

 

Haha, no problemo. Us v6 guys have to stick together. And good luck with yours too. I've just started to get into cars since I got my firebird. I'm mostly a tech/PC man and that's what i've been doing my whole life and am going to school for. I'm hoping to learn a lot more from doing this, and maybe mess with turbos in the future. I start on the swap Tuesday and hopefully will have it together around wednesday evening.

These are in the newer camaros right? If so that would be a sick swap to do. Only question I have is what kind of transmission and other drivetrain work would have to happen? As in would you be able to use a 700R4 or a t5, etc, like the transmissions everyone here use, or would you have to get a newer gen tranny for it? Like I said i'm new to a lot of this stuff.

 

I honestly don't know on the transmission issue, I'm planning to just get the engine and trans together anyways though. 700r4 isn't a bad trans, but its old, plus mine might have issues, and I'm also probably going to go to manual, esp. since I plan to auto-x the car, if I were drag racing the auto would be better, but for auto I would rather have the reduced weight, engine braking, and reduced parasitic power loss.
But at least I seem to have the 3.4 running again(sort of), so I can put the car on the road and sort out the body/chassis and suspension before the swap.

 

I just didn't know if the 700R4 would bolt up to it. I can't find any info either, but what transmissions are in these new 3.6 camaros? Or is there a Modern 700R4? I stopped by the GM dealer to look at a 2010 vert camaro with my fiance's dad since he was interested in them. We did test drive it. It is probably one of the meanest sounding V6's I've heard with stock exhaust. The guy trying to sell it to him the entire time was just comparing it to the thirdgen and early 4th gen V8's. Also one of the nicest cars I've ever rode in. It's just, I don't know. Like as soon as you close that door your in a cockpit and your foot is just itching to get on that peddle. Haha. Didn't get it though because he is stuck on wanting the V8.

 

The 6l80e would be the closest thing to a successor of the 700r4, but if memory serves that one is for the v8s, and the v8 manual is a tremec 6 spd I believe. The v6s come with an aisin for the manual, and the autos get a 6l50e. I may be wrong on the v8 transmissions, since I didn't really look into that, but from memory that's what they have.

Didn't answer earlier cause I missed it, but yes, same engine that the new v6 camaro has, also, you almost have to get the v8 camaro, the things are such heavy pigs, that either engine swapped into my car would pick up about a full second in the 1/4 just from the weight difference.

 

Gotcha. That would be an awesome setup. Even If it's a pain, i'd love to see you do the swap. Has anyone else done it?

 

The llt, I very much doubt it. The ls3, almost certainly. That is one motivator for the llt though, uniqueness-plus it wouldn't take much to make it the record holder for a v6 thirdgen, idk if it would count for 60* v6 record holder though, lol. Eventually If I do the swap I plan to go boost, but this is all off in the distance yet, I got to sort out the car, then drop the stock engine in, and get it figured out before I start messing with it, I've learned the hard way to only do one major mod at a time-otherwise if you hit a problem it can be a bear to diagnose where its actually coming from-have to start from a known, point of good running condition.

 

Sounds like a good plan!
Id love to see the llt but i sure know it wont be in my car before i see many ppl do it first as i know its gonna be a difficult process and i know there alot to be learned as to setting the motor and tranny up right in our cars.
I started mounting my inercooler on my car today and its so much more difficult doing all the mods when ive never attempted them before. But ill get it together in time. Hopefully in the next month. Too bad i dont have more spare time!

 

are u using the stock ecm or did u get a megasquirt.

if ur using the ms u can use pilsburys base tune files that are posted in his build thread those will give u a very safe start, and i can modify those files to suit ur setup easy

 

I got the Mega sqt

I hope to have all the piping done by the next week. The innercooler, magasquirt, and the whole turbo/downpipe exc is already on i just need to go back in and finish the welds on the I.C piping. Right now everything is just tac. welded.

then i can set up the meag squirt with a decent base and then tune from there.

I need ask pils. for the base tune bin files......when i stop being so lazy..

 

the are posted in his build thread,and i also still have the files on m laptop i was using to tune his car. when u are read for them give me the specs on ur setup and ill modif the files for ur setup for u

 

Yea i scrolled through his 3.4 build and checked them out. Ill pm ya when im ready to get the car up and running. Id love the help as i dont wana burn up this motor from a crappy base tune. Thanks!

 

Maybe by then some of the rich kids will have wrecked enough of them to get the llt cheaper. I know there's plenty of those kind around here. I know one girl from my school that got her first car from her parents, before she even had her license, A nice brand new 2010 Mustang GT. I'm waiting for her to wreck that one. I've followed her on the by-pass after school enough to know she can barely drive it. And A friend of mine is on his 3rd 5.0 mustang as of last Saturday. As much money as these people are spending, I could have most of my car done and actually be taking care of it. Haha. Almost have the 2.8 ready to be pulled though as of today. Hope to have it out tomorrow or Thursday whenever the weather is best.

 

Hope the swap goes well. Yea there tons of kids arround where i live like that, parents buy them brand new cars. Crap I remember my first car was a ford ranger with 180k miles on it. And I had to pay for the pile..lol.

 

This firebird was my first car. I can't say much because I got it for free from my grandparents because I couldn't afford anything at the time, and they didn't want to sell it. It sat forever and they finally drove it down to me. But i've plenty made up for not paying for it. Haha. The cans and cans of primer after I hand sanded the entire body for months after school to get the paint and surface rust off, the new plugs and wires, coil, oil, pretty much a complete tune up, two sets of rear tires (used), then a transmission, and now an engine, plus misc. exterior parts trying to get it to look good now. All I have had to pay for myself, I got the car a little over 2 years ago, it's only been in good drivable order for about 2 months that i've had it, then had to have a new tranny, then had it going for the last week, now no oil pressure and knocking bad, and now comes a swap. It sucks not getting some nice ride like these kids do, but i'd rather be going through all of this and actually having to work for what i've got, it teaches you to have a lot of respect for what you've got. Unfortunately, My fiance', who conveniently lives next door to me, is kind of like the others. They have a lot of money, she had a perfectly good 95' stratus, she didn't like it so she gave it to her sister and they bought her a 2008 Saturn Aura XR, 3.6L, nice rims, slick, awesome car, awesome interior, loaded everything, and the thing is fasttt. I love the car, and would love to have it for myself, but she never cleans it, or takes care of it, and has put a couple scratches on it since she is a terrible parker. I'm always the one taking it to my house to clean it because it makes me so mad to see her have something like that, and have no respect for it.

ANYWAYS, yadda yadda yadda, I'm heading over to my friends tomorrow morning around 11 to pull the hood and spend the day digging it and get this over with so I can get back on the road. I'll keep you guys updated, i'm sure you'll love some pics, I love pics. There will be plenty. Haha.

 

Not to be sexist...but other than my grandma, I do not know of a female that takes good care of their car.

 

You've got a point. But I would at least be excited enough to have the will to clean it up every now and then. Lol

 

Sorry to say it but i agree..

 

Got it pulled today. Hope to have everything swapped tomorrow and put in, probably wont have it running until Monday or Tuesday. I picked the right time to drive it out to where we were going to work on it last weekend. I pulled it over to where we are doing all of the work, and it was reading 8 pounds worth of oil pressure. Also found out today that the 3.4 i'm using only has around 80k or a little more miles on it I heard from who we bought it from. Very happy with that for only $200 and with literally everything but the computer.

 

Figured I would post some progress. Got the old block out and stripped down. This thing is junk. Lol. I tore apart the 3.4, and believe I scored big time on it. It's cleaner on the inside than the outside. Looks either completely rebuilt, or very, VERY low miles all the way down to the cam and cylinder walls on how clean it is. I got some nice pictures during it all. Nose of the car was too long for the picker so had to pull from the side. Haha.





Old top end:





New 3.4 right after I pulled off the valve covers:

 

Old Cam, done in :





Painted valve covers for now, just so they look half decent until I decide what I really want to do with them:

 

For the most part she is done. We drove it around and seemed okay, a little exhaust leak that was there before on the passenger side from the flange, and most likely a ground wire or timing problem left to fix that is preventing it from wanting to stay running at higher speeds. Off to work on that this morning then when I get her home I'll work on the details to make her look a little better.





And the electric fan is cleverly wired in behind the old fan shroud, makes some awesome airflow.