Ok , I only have 2 weeks until I go back to school . I really wanted to get my injectors cleaned before I go back to school .I have not been to the boneyard yet because its been to cold and I've been busy .I was thinking today , well I really dont have time to send them off to crusin performance and wait to get them back .I was thinking why not find a late model wrecked car with a 3.1 or 3.4 in it and take them out .I was thinking of all the cars that have these motors .
1.camaro 93-95 3.4 motors
2. grand dam 3.1 or 3.4 motors
3. olds 3.1 or 3.4
4.malibu 3.1 or 3.4
5.grand prix 95-96 and some new models also with 3.1 or 3.4

Would these injectors work with my car ? ..Or which ones woudn't ?

If I could find a low mileage wrecked car with under 60 k miles on it .I will pull the injectors .This way I have time to swap my injectors out before I go back to school b/c I wont have to worry about getting my old ones cleaned I will just swap in new low mileage ones . Thanx guys

 

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The injectors should work... Karl (KED85) said he used the Multec injectors from the 3.4 injection in his 2.8 rails. You'd also find the Multec injectors under front wheel drive MPFI motors, like the Beretta, Olds Cutlass Ciera, Cavalier, Buick Century, etc...

You're sending them out to Rich Jensen, right? You could probably shoot him an e-mail and ask him about other cars that have higher flow injectors...

 

here's what I ran into... I had three bad injectors and the injector wiring was horked. I got a set of "3.1L injectors out of a camaro" at the salvage yard. 3 of them were bad. After inspecting them they were 5 different injectors, one of which wasn't even a GM injector. There were only two that came from the same car. Next step I bought a set of slightly used 3.4L injectors. Worked better but ran REALLY rich. Finally a buddy of mine had a fuel rail from a FWD 3.1 that he put in a Fiero so I tested the 6 injectors and found 4 good ones and got them at a decent price.

Moral of my story? Multec injectors are good injectors but tend to have problems, more problems than earlier pintle style injectors. I wouldn't suggest buying a set of used injectors from a junkyard unless you can test them with a digital volt/ohm-meter first. If you want to try a higher flow rate I have a set of 3.4L injectors that I'll sell for $80, which is less then most salvage yards around here charge for used injectors. A lot of people on here have opinoins about injectors and ideas about injectors but most of them have never had to deal with troubleshooting faulty injectors. In my case the bad injectors acted like a dead cylinder, or rather cylinders as was the case.

 

Thanx Drew , yeah some boneyards can rip you off .

 

Either way tho, you should still get 'em cleaned; who knows how long they were sitting in the yard. Plus, Rich tests them all out for you. If you can find a motor with a thrown rod or spun bearing, chances are those injectors are good! (That's how I got my current set; from TheWraith's blown 2.8. Rich said they weren't that dirty. I should send him my original ones, I bet those are pretty clogged!)

 

I remember someone on here got some accel injectors or was thinking about getting some for $170 ..wonder how good they are guys ?

 

I have a set of ADS Super injectors that I'm selling for $160.00. For another $40.00 I'll even throw in the ADS Super chip to match the injectors. For those of you who don't know these injectors are gauranteed to never clog and their policy is, if one of their injectors do clog, they will replace it and give you $50.00. I never had a problem with them and I even passed NJ emissions with this set up easily. Any questions email me. I no longer have my v6 so I'm selling out the good stuff. I also have interior parts too.

 

I e-mailed you ...I might possibly get them but I have some questions .Thanx man

 

Anyone have any opinions on these injectors ?

 

Here's the predicament Im in guys .
Most of you know my injectors need cleaning . I am going back to school next week. I don't want to take a chance of pulling bad injectors out of a car in the boneyard and being in worse shape than I'm in now .I will be commuting for an hour , so I want the car running well .If the accel injectors work pretty well I will order them . Thanks guys

 

Hi Wayne,
two simple suggestions
My favorite way to clean injectors is this_
Two bottles liquid Gumut, into the gastank, throw in FULL TANK of PREMIMUN GASS & FLOOR IT ALL THE WAY TO EMPTY!
Tht really helps. May need to two fulls of the same formula.
Second, have them cleaned on the car.
Kinda same way that you install fresh freon for AC, insert fluid itno rail schrader valve, open can, run engine.
It works also.

BUT,
on the 3.4 injectors,
I had absolutly ZERO PROBLEMS with mine that I swapped into my 3.4 swap project.
That also includes certification from the toughest car test organization, the California Smog test.
I passed with such a clean result, the test guy was amazed! Extremly LOW emissions readings (hell it should it was a 40K motor!)
Drew, I know you know quite a bit, I had to give my side of that answer you supplied.
I inserted mine into my 1985 fuel rail, very easy. Only needed patience, a very tiny straight edge screwdriver (to work free the injectors from clips) and some oil to lube new/swapped o-ring seals.
Give it a shot, Wayne.
Honest,
How DO YOU KNOW you need to clean injectors?
Try to Liquid Gumout, thin white neck bottle, red/white label.
I've been using that stuff since 1978 with best results. Once in the tank, once every other month is cheap insurace against clogs.
It has worked for me, very well!!

 

Karl , HEY MAN ! ...I left ya a little welcome back message in the 3.4 question post . ..I know they need cleaning b/c thats what the mechanics told me .I just think its REALLY RIDICULOUS to pay $256 BUCKS FOR IT ! lol ...Your way sounds pretty damn good ! I think thats what Im ganna do . I also know I need to have my injectors cleaned is because the sparkplug tips have gas coated on them and when i take them out , the air reeks of gas! The electrode is ok and the insulater but the gas is coated on the threads .

 

I'd still say send the junkyard injectors to Rich. If they're shot, he'll tell you! He had my injectors back to me in under a week.

 

doooh ....lol ...why didn't I think of that ? lol ....I think what Im ganna do is try Karl's way first , see how that works .If that works it will be great b/c I wont have to take the injectors out of the car ! Then , if that doesn't work I will get some from the junkyard and send them off .Thanx Tom

 

Wayne, go to a store with an INTELLIGENT OWNER & ask him for the FI cleaner kit, from Champion (it was one brand name I recall).
BUT, what I'd try first is the Liquid Gumout.
Hey, you cannot HURT it any worse, this way.
BUT, IF Injectors are LEAKING, these tricks will only be a waste of money. Try the Gumout, two bottles & preminum gas and a real heavy foot.
Especially at freeway speed. 60-85 MPH stuff.
DON'T WASTE YOUR RIDE INTO THE SIDE OF A SNOW BANK!
Just floor it alot.

 

Thanx Karl ! Yeah that work real good for me . I do alot of interstate driving , maily interstate driving going to school , doing 70+ so it should work real good .And I pass alot and get down on it sometimes .So this should work real good ! .

BUT , If my injectors are leaking , I will just have to purchase new ones huh ?

 

I believe they can be rebuilt.
Never had that done, I just get new ones.
For the effort, it's a sure thing.
Working those things in & out, is not a fun project.
Cold outside, these days?
We're up to 80 in LA today. I almost jumped into the pool, so hot!
I do so LOVE LA, some winter days.

 

You guys. I still have the ADS injectors for sale along with the chip for only $200.00. You would not have to pull junkyard injectors and send them out to be cleaned or checked out. I still have them in the fuel rail ready to go. This would be the easier way to go. just trying to save WayneRS some time.

 

FWIW GM specifically states NOT to clean Multec injectors with chemical cleaners. Also injectors cannot be rebuilt. They're a non-servicable item. When they go bad you dispose of them and get new ones. I'm not sure how Rich cleans the injectors, his method may work but I wouldn't use an over the counter cleaner.


I think my 3.4L injector problems were because they're from a DOHC 3.4... 215hp vs 140hp... quite a bit more fuel.

 

I was just sitting here thinking about this whole injector thing again ! Here is the whole deal guys , I know ya'll are tired of hearing about this but here is the deal .Im in college and working right now .I really don't have time or don't feel like the hassel of farting around in the boneyards looking for injectors , trying to get them out and all that crapola .Also , sence I commute to school and it takes me an hour , I dont want to take a chance of getting crappy injectors from a car and I really dont have time to swap those injectors in , mail mine to Crusin performance , then take them out again and all that crapola , ya da ya da . I REALLY DON'T want to spend $300 on new injectors ! I also thought about trying Karl's method of cleaning them , with what he told me .But I remember when I put some B-12 in my car before I got the new motor put in , and when they put the new motor in , they found I had a bad injector .BUT MY INJECTORS WERE NOT CLEANED when I got the new motor put in .So Im thinking well there's a good chance that B12 prabably made it go bad . So I can't afford to have some or all of my injectors go bad either while Im school .This project of me swaping injectors has to be done when I have , but I need to get it done in the next few weeks .HERE'S what Im thinking about doing .And I need you guys' honest opinion . Im thinking about ordering the ACCEL injectors for our cars , there $170 .Im kinda worried about the price , this sounds kinda cheap for injectors But then again , I dont wanna spend $300 plus bucks on injectors .I can take them to my repair shop , which i really dont want to , for $270 they will clean them , WHICH I THINK IS WAY TO HIGH ! ..But this is still not totally out of the question ! ..What do you guys think about the accel injectors ? Please tell me what you would do in this situation guys ?

 

Hi Wayne, why not give this a try.
Have the wrecking yard guy start the car, that will donate the injectors. Pull the plugs. Look at them and go from there.
B-12 isn't Liquid Gumout.
I installed "some stuff" (don't recall) down my intake when I started my swap job engine, too. I had no down side to that starting situation, at all.
You get that far down for the injector access, you replace all. Only need remove top intake and release the fuel pressure, disconect the wiring harness, remove. Kinda easy.
Except in the cold!
Wayne, I've been there, too. New used car. Only ride. Sudden developement of bad fuel injectors. Had to buy new ones. $200 for four. Never knew they could go bad.
Try the Liquid Gumout. If it's bad, can only make it better, not worse.
But B-12 nor Liquid Gumout will NOT MAKE AN INJECTOR that is leaking stop leaking.
And B-12 or Liquid Gumout will NOT make an injector leak.
I hear ya on the decision. Good luck.
Study hard.
Car idles poorly, but accelerates well, right?

 

Karl , THANX ALOT .I was just thinking about that B12 again .I remember now , putting some in before that , after I got the car .It did not make an injector go bad then , seemed it peped the car up more .I think when I had the bad injector it was prabably just a Coweincidence (spelling?) lol ...Actually I think I used it a few times before that . I know my injectors prabably need cleaning with 184 k miles on them , BUT , I was just thinking I remember seeing that vacum hose (small one) that runs from the middle of the manifold to the egr - i think thats where it runs to anyway . Well that hose seems real brittle and its all cracked up like bad , that could make my car idle like that huh ? It accelerates well , about as well as a mildly modded 2.8 can .

 

Definatly replace those vacuum lines.. they're really cheap, and it's really easy... you get to climb all around your car too, and really get to know things...

Gas on the plugs after it's been running doesn't sound like clogged injectors to me... Sounds like a rich condition or crappy spark... check it out... If they are wet after sitting, your injectors are leaking and no amount of cleaning will save them (I don't know if Rich can repair them... send and e-mail and ask)...

As far as injector cleaners go... I've had a few friends who's car injectors just kinda take a schitt on them after they use it. When I confronted Rich J. about it, he said no way, don't use them... What happends is the gas runs through the internal electronics to cool the injector and when you use injector cleaner, it fu(ks them up.

Accel injectors are fine... never heard any complaints....

It was me who said they were 170... I'm not totally positive... a V8 set is like 219, so i figured subtract the cost of 2 injectors and you get 170... pretty much pulled it out my butt, but I imagine it's right around that price...

However, if you're going to buy new injectors... I'd go with 1BADAZTA's deal... 200 bucks for a set of injectors and a chip, can't beat it... if anything... use the chip as a diagnostics tool, think something is screwed up with the prom, swap it and see... or just sell it and recoup some money...

Multec injectors are self cleaning, yet the Bosch pintle style injectors seem to last longer (internally, they -will- clog however). Regardless, both styles can be cleaned and flowed by Rich J. to within ~2% of each other.

Thats just my mind-spew for the moment. Do what you like, and good luck.

 

I was talking to Dad about my injectors , he really thinks they cleaned them when they put my new motor in , so I think they are just shot ! ..I think I would be running richer than Bill gates with those ADS 20pd injectors from 1BADAZTA .. ...I really think they are shot though cus I think they were cleaned . I think they are just crapped out !

 

Wayne, throughly investigate any thoughts of a vacuum leak. Your engine will run so poor with a small leak. Any small leak.
I finally fixed all mine & I idle with 17+ inches of vacuum. I'm so pleased all my bending & cussing paid off!

 

I still say send them to Rich! Or, ask in the classifieds; I'm sure someone's parting out a 2.8. But the Accel's should be fine, if you want to go that route. Drew, you can see Rich's website at http://www.cruzinperformance.com - putting in the cleaned injectors made a world of difference for my car.

 

I am, parting out my 2.8. I have been telling you guys for 3 weeks now.

 

yep, I'm familar with Rich. He's a good guy. I contacted him when I initially had problems with my injectors and he told me he didn't have V6 injectors on hand and could only clean them, if they were bad or mismatched, I'd be out of luck. He also suggested getting pintle style injectors since they're more durable. All things being equal, I think his cleaning method would probably work better than a chemical cleaner (ie from your local Autozone).