V6 Discussion and questions about the base carbureted or MPFI V6's and the rare SFI Turbo V6.

No spark

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 11, 2022 | 07:21 AM
  #1  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
No spark

Hi , i have still a couple problems with my bird,
i have build in new parts
fuel relay
fuel pump
fuel filter
spark plugs
rotor
disputer cap
icm
oil
oil filter
steering pump
steering cooler
coil
air filter
new brakes
now THE problem
i am getting fuel and good pressur ,relay,s are working ,fan is working ,ses is on with starting,pump primes 2sec with key on and after starting the oilsensor is working (fuel pump runs) after cranking THE pump runs 2sec after key in off
but i have no spark engine is turning good injectors are clicking
so what can it be

Last edited by Speeddemon1; Feb 11, 2022 at 01:25 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2022 | 07:01 AM
  #2  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi ,i have try start iT ,i have power to THE coil 3wire not THE white
i try THE old coil and Icm still no spark

the fuel pump prims and after oil pressure THE pump is pumping ,and when key is of a sec2/3 still runs
cooling fan runs

so what can iT be
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2022 | 08:14 AM
  #3  
Johnny Gun's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 145
Likes: 12
From: The Peach State
Car: '88 GTA
Engine: 355 SBC, AFR 195 heads, Stealth Ram
Transmission: 700r4
Re: No spark

Check continuity in the coil to distributor wire. I had a bad one once and spent days trying to figure out why my car wouldn't start.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2022 | 09:35 AM
  #4  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Thank you 👍I will take a look at that Tomorrow
Reply
Old Feb 13, 2022 | 06:17 AM
  #5  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi ,i have power to THE coil to THE Icm , i have try to take THE mas off and THE connector from Icm 4pin
and still no spark
Reply
Old Feb 13, 2022 | 08:27 AM
  #6  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi what are THE symptoms of a broken pick-up coil
Reply
Old Feb 13, 2022 | 10:33 AM
  #7  
OrangeBird's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,939
Likes: 801
Car: 1989 Firebird
Re: No spark

Originally Posted by Speeddemon1
...... i have no spark engine is turning good injectors are clicking......
Originally Posted by Speeddemon1
Hi what are THE symptoms of a broken pick-up coil
Some random thoughts here;

If your injectors ARE truly being pulsed while your cranking the engine, then your pickup coil should be OK, your ECM will not pulse the injectors unless it gets a signal from the pickup coil (through the ICM) indicating the engine is turning. If your really curious, unplug the coil from the ICM and put an ohm meter across the two terminals. It should read some number of ohms that you can find by doing a search, it should not read "open" (Infinity) nor "shorted" (0 ohms) . Next measure from each terminal to ground, this should be infinite ohms (open circuit, no connection).

Have you verified that you do in fact have +12V on the fat pink wire on the coil while the engine is cranking?

I have seen an ICM fail in such a way that although it will supply the ECM with the cranking signal, it will not fire the ignition coil.

I have seen plenty of ignition coils that will pass an ohmmeter test, that flat out won't make spark in the car (The usual failure being internal arcing that only happens at the high voltage the coil operates at, and is not detectable at the very low voltage an ohmmeter uses to take it's readings).

Hopefully that'll give ya some direction toward troubleshooting it.........

Reply
Old Feb 13, 2022 | 11:34 AM
  #8  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi 👍 Thanks ,when i am home Tomorrow i Will take a look at that 😉
Reply
Old Feb 14, 2022 | 09:47 AM
  #9  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi,i have 1 ohm on de lead from THE pick up ,and that dont chance when i conect THE 2 leads of THE multimeter
,iT dont read between 500/1500 ohm ,i think THE pick is broken i have orderd 1 today
hope iT THE car starts 😉
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2022 | 06:25 AM
  #10  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi ,iT starts and runs ,but when i give iT Some pedal to THE metal ,iT bogs en stutter,
the magnet is cracked and little pieces off ,can this cause that THE motor not run good
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 11:32 AM
  #11  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi i cant find this part dont know how its called
https://pasteboard.co/i94fRlllCaAP.png

i looking for THE part with de magnetic round thing ,what makes contact with THE pick up coil

ps it is not my picture its from internet (fiero forum)
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 12:45 PM
  #12  
Tuned Performance's Avatar
Sponsor
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Community Favorite
iTrader: (95)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 16,906
Likes: 1,014
From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: No spark

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-GM-...=media%3Dmedia


if you need a distributor I have stock and a few aftermarket. I think this is what you need might double check application.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 01:11 PM
  #13  
Whitebird75's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 122
Likes: 39
From: Atlanta, GA
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 2.8 L V6
Transmission: 700R4
Re: No spark

Hey, Tuned performance,

Do you have V6 Distributors? That link looked like a V8 shaft, or are they the same?
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 01:13 PM
  #14  
Tuned Performance's Avatar
Sponsor
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Community Favorite
iTrader: (95)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 16,906
Likes: 1,014
From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: No spark

Opps sorry, just have tpi, tbi v8 distributors
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 01:38 PM
  #15  
Whitebird75's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 122
Likes: 39
From: Atlanta, GA
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 2.8 L V6
Transmission: 700R4
Re: No spark

The AC Delco rebuilt distributor from RockAuto is listed for $120. I don't know the quality of these distributors, but it might be worth buying, even if it's just used for parts.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 02:16 PM
  #16  
OrangeBird's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,939
Likes: 801
Car: 1989 Firebird
Re: No spark

Originally Posted by Speeddemon1
Hi ,iT starts and runs ,but when i give iT Some pedal to THE metal ,iT bogs en stutter,
the magnet is cracked and little pieces off ,can this cause that THE motor not run good
Originally Posted by Whitebird75
The AC Delco rebuilt distributor from RockAuto is listed for $120. I don't know the quality of these distributors, but it might be worth buying, even if it's just used for parts.
Yes the magnet being cracked will cause all kinds of bad running, and, no, if it were my choice I'd stay away from the rebuilt ones and go for one of the new ones . "AC Delco" is just a name used to rake in extra $$$$ from brand loyal people, the stuff is all made in the same offshore factories anyway.....
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 11:07 PM
  #17  
Speeddemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Re: No spark

Hi👍👍 i will go for a new one ,Thanks for all THE info and help 👍👍👍😉😉
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Hoffy91
TPI
4
Jun 20, 2009 01:20 PM
g/f's z
Tech / General Engine
5
May 6, 2009 02:04 PM
reckless_gtp_ta
TPI
1
Sep 21, 2007 10:32 PM
nks06
Tech / General Engine
3
Feb 26, 2007 10:30 PM
90tbi305
TBI
71
Aug 3, 2004 05:53 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:10 AM.