OK. I have heard alot of people wanting the Turbo headers. A few I know will not goto the turbo. I have a good idea on how I want to run the turbo headers and I am asking if I should just do those instead on doing the Gen/Series 1/2 thing. 1 Being the Hedmen style, 2 being the turbo compatable.

I will say that the turbo style will be alot easier tp make a cross over for. So I will make a few of the Hedman style(Unless Dead would like the other stlye, then I will go to the series 2 off the bat.)

PS I talked to my EPA Lawyer brother in law about the CARB stuff. He suggested that I go to the toughest state where the headers will be tested (cali) and get there regulations/testing procedures performed. And If they pass that then I can get the CARB #. He did not tell me or even gove me an idea on cost so???? I will go to the Cali web site and look around to see what is needed. Just FYI.

 

I'm down for the smog legal hedman type headers! And if you can make the turbo kit for our cars that will be cool!! Good work camaro hunter d!

 

I want the smog legal , non turbo headers .

 

I'll take the turbos' please. Eventually , someday, I will have a running engine. Then my turbo will be slapped on.

 

I want to have a non turbo set.

 

Non turbo type

 

i deffinatly want the non turbo, and i think im gonna put my good motor in my 88 as soon as im back on co-op and i want to do the complete exaughst at the same time. thanks hunter

 

A few questions, can you run turbo headers without a turbo. If you can and they are smog legal I'll take them if not, I will get the normal headers.

 

Ah a good question, But it was also answered in the top of the thread. The turbo type WILL WORK with out a turbo. They can be installed with the 45 angle to the back and run the cross over there. HOWEVER IF you plan on getting the turbo set up later they can be swapped from side to side so the 45 faces FORWARD to mount the cross over THERE.

Think of the turbo type kinda like extended Small Block block huggers kinda. Ok better picture. You know the full tube Hookers that have that have that ungo dly runner length? that summit has the picture of? these turbo type would come down the same way BUT they would end where they do the bend to go back. I would think that the turbo type would make it easier for a shop to make a cross over for, as both sides are coming out the same way and the same rough angle.

And yes they will also have the EGR.

Does that help any?

 

hey Camaro_hunter make sure they fit the manuel tranney.

 

If the Turbos are legal for emmisions and better headers and are the same price I'll take them.

 

Cammy Hunter You get any done this weekend

 

I don't care what set I get, as long as they are equal length primary. Whatever i can get first. This 150 in my pocket is burning a hole CHD :P

Oh and good news for me, I took my car to my mech to have some stuff fixed, he only got to the oil leak, so he replaced a broken distributor o-ring and installed a new pickup coil for me. Bad news, I think it's still leaking. Oh well, I'll take a closer look tomorrow.

My search for a cheap V8 non-TBI t-top f-body continues...:lala:

 

I messed around with it a little this weekend(I forgot this weekend was my G/F's B-day) but I got the jist of how the thing works. I am now in a search for a bench grinder stand to mount the damn thing on(found out I needed that this weekend) I am goining to go to sears today and hopefully get one cheap.

By the results of this questionair I will go and have the Hooker type for a while, then as the time comes to when I get a turbo ready for install I will begin the turbo style.

 

well while I was online I decided to go ahead and search Sears.com(cause sears is like 30 miles from me) for that grinder stand. Found it. 80 bucks. Gonna get it today. Also have to go by lowes(AGAIN) for the third day straight and get a plate to weld to the bender and the stand.

 

How much youere you askin for a set again im interested in gettin a set. Id also like smog legal ones sinc i live in cali

 

i want the smog legal ones too.

 

The CARB LEGAL will not be off the batt. I will probly haft to send a set out to cali for testing. Sorry I am not going to travel 1500 miles for like 2 days to get them tested myself. I am still looking at what needs to be done to get them Carb'd.

AS far as price they are $150 PLUS UPS S&H from 62999. About 20-25 Lbs.


I put togeather a stand today and it lasted through 1/2 of 1 tube before I broke every weld I put on it. So I am off to find a premade one, the one I liked at sears is an order on line ONLY... SUCKS. I will go by Lowes YET AGAIN tomarrow and take a look around and see what can be made to work.

 

if u need someone out here in cali to help with the carb process let me know.. ill be more than happy to help..

i would defiently be more interested in the turbo style (carb legal), but if all i could get would be the other style (carb legal), then that would work great.

mike (loomdog)

 

need more people to vote for the turbo (series 2) headers, i feel alone in the poll

 

I have a 5 speed. So they will.

 

Thats ok.. I want the turbo style too And I they will be easier to make. So the wait will not be that long.

And to the guys in Cali wanting to help out thanks. Your doing all the guys here a favor. BTW I just emailed the EPA on how i can get CARB'ed. I searched and could find nothing so I just emailed them.

 

Ok BAD NEWS I tried to weld up a stand for the bender over the week end and it lasted maybe 45 minutes.

OK GOOD NEWS I found a place today that will TIG weld the damn thing togeather for me. It will be ready Friday morning, just in time for the weekend rush.

Before the old welds crapped out I got the beginnings of 2 done. As big as the die DIAMETER is I do not think I can get all equal length untill I am doing this for a while. But our engines are even fire so really equal length is not truely needed. But I will work on it none the less.

Hmmm... I realy need to get my other camaro on the road so I can test fit my ideas to make sure they'll fit....

Anyway thats the latest.

 

Ok, I don't want this to come off harsh, cause it's not ment to be that way, but what is the point of headers if they arn't equal length?

Educate me on this one... perhaps I'm being too niave for my own good...

 

Oh i have a qeston its probly ben asked but do we need to get a new Y pipe or will they just bolt up to the one from the factory

 

I would definitely buy the heddman style non-turbo headers. If later on I want more power I'll jump for the Turbo ones.. Great job!!! I'm also willing to help out since I live in so cal where there's all the smog limitations for our cars. I was wondering for the 3.1L V6 would it be easy to get a CARB # for a CAI since the 90-92 3.1L V6's didn't have the Mass Airflow sensor?

 

odd fire (typical V8's) react better to equal length cause it has 2 exhaust cylces per side at the same time(er really close anyway) so the equal length helps keep the exhaust pulse from slamming into one another and jam up the collector. Even fire V6 has 1 exhaust cycle per side per fire. Less exhaust clutter to worry about. Does that make sense?, at least thats the way it was explained to me. The guy I am geting the collector from said that the 60* does not really need equal length, but do not get make them too far(length wise) away from each other or it could become an issue.


And as far as the Y pipe, yes you will need to have one made. Until I get a set installed on my car and get the 2" die to make it, then sell it all as one package.

 

Id be interested in the non turbo heddman style headers. one question tho... What kind of hp/tq increase are we looking at with the headers?

 

What are you making the headers out of? Aluminum or Stainless? Im guessing Aluminum?

 

I am really interested in the turbo style headers. Let us know as soon as you have them. Thanks

~Josh~

 

Ok the headers are being made from a steel alloy. Supposedly this will help them from rusting(I was told by the person I was buying the tubes from).

As far as the HP/Trq increase you guess is as good as mine. But just about anything has to better then stock. I have read people saying they got 15-20 HP from the Hedmans, so in that neigborhood I would guess.


MORE GOOD NEWS I got the rewelded stand back this morning and I am going to try to gt some tubes made this weekend.

 

the HP number should be around 10-15hp. That is if they are equal length headers. You will def notice the gain. Dont get the numbers shooting that high. A V8 with long tube headers should get around 20hp not a V6.

 

Ok I got some more tools(drill press and chop saw$80) today and started messing around again. I did 1 side(3 tubes) in about 30 minutes. So kicking 1 set a day is a no brainer. I still have yet to receive the collectors, and I am on my way now to buy 40 feet of tubing so I can get 3-4 sets bent up this weekend. That way when the collectors arrive I will be able to weld a bunch up at once. Look out here they come.... MUUHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHA:lala:

 

WHen you going to test them on your car?

 

I think these headers with good exaust and y pipe should get 12-15, you got to figure a V6 is 3/4 the size of the V8 so figure we would get about that same ratio on the same mod. You do the math

 

Well seeing how a catback can give a V8 10hp and it give a V6 next to nothing...you do the math. It has nothing to do with math. Its a matter of is the engine flowing that much exhaust gasses that the current setup (stock) is holding back power. In the V6 it isn't holding back that much cause you aren't making that much. Now if it were turbo then that would be a whole different ball game.

 

Damnit double post

 

BTW flowing too well will cause too much of a decrease in back pressure that you will end up losing power. Just something to think of...

 

CHD, is there a list yet? How do you want us paying for these things?

This is perfect timing, March 4th I was planning on taking my car to have the exhaust done. Now I think I'll wait to have it done at Mieneke or something and have them hook me up with a new y-pipe while I'm at it... Hopefully it won't be too much $$$

I just broke the nut on my guitar... I guess my heavy GHS boomers killed that plastic SOB... The price you pay for metal music.

 

im guessing that u play rythem if ur using heavy gauge? ive played metal and blues bass for about 4 yrs now.. just started to play guitar tho.

anyways.. back to topic.. monkie is rite.. its not the size of the engine.. its the amount of pressure and air flow thru the engine.

mike (loomdog)

 

Xenodrgn, you should get a Les Paul like mine
nothing plastic but pick gaurd, *****. access cover, truss cover & **** on top of pickup selectors.

how soon after the reg headers are done will the turbo headers be ready? I've almost fininshed the right front brakes/suspension, only 3 more corners to go :lala:

 

Yeah, I play rythem... My Strat (the one that broke) I use whatever I can find, I don't like lights though, they don't feel right, I can only assume I've got something a bit heavier on there now... I play that in either standard or drop-D.

My Ibanez RG470 I play in C with heavy GHS boomers... drop-d a whole step down... the Floyd Rose bridge is blocked...

My DG-3 acoustic is just another Fender POS...

I've got the worst bombo ever.. all that through a Metal Zone and a fender Princeton 112 Plus... can you say A$$? I think I'm going to sell it all and buy a fixed bridge Warlock or a custom Ibanez and a Marshall tube combo... With whatever cash I have left over I'll buy a new acoustic.

So anyway, Any news from Mr. Headerman yet?

 

well my comps power supply crapped out thursday night. I ordered another one friday.(Athalon 1600 XP 210 deleivered) Barebones system.

Anyway... I got 1 side welded up today just to see what they will look like(MINUS COLLECTORS). I will say one thing for the tubes I am using. If you take a wire wheel to them they polish up REAL nice. Trust me.... SO I am thinking of painting the mounting flange black and if you want the tubes left bare so you can get them polished it will look real nice, otherwise I can hit them with that high temp paint.


Anyway. I already have a different design that I will work out this weekend. They SHOULD be able to go both ways, Meaning they(the collectors) when welded on will point just about straight down. That means they(the shop making the crossover) can run it back for ya, and when I finally get the turbo stuff done, my crossover will go on and then you add your turbo. Another thing about this other type I will figure out will be alot closer to equal length then the other kind(Just FYI)

OK Xeno asked about the payment. PayPal. (www.paypal.com)GenerationXRacing@yahoo.com. PLEASE JUST DO NOT SEND AND EXPECT THE HEADERS IF I AM NOT CLOSE TO HAVING A SET DONE OR ALREADY HAVE A SET READY. I WILL POST WHEN THEY ARE READY AND THEN I WILL TAKE THE ORDER(S) AND AFTER I GET THE PAYPAL I SEND THEM OFF. Now please note that if you are using a creditcard*and ONLY* if your using a credit card please add an additional $7. This is a fee that I am charged(By paypal) for recieving the money. Don't ask I know why but I am. I know this cause when Dead Hero 8 paid I got charged that when he used his credit card.


I will say that I am expecting after I get this new design worked out I expect to be able to kick out 1 tube about every 5 minutes. So 1 complete set in an hour is not out of the question(especially sense I put my sterio back into the garage) I pretty much have the ins and outs of this bender down now after goofing around with it for the past couple days.

Questions about what you want done or something special feel free to email me, or if you think that others on the board are interested in what you want done feel free to post it here as well.

I will try to remember to order the EGR header(factory) on monday, Sorry I keep forgetting cause I had 4 things going through the mail this week.


But I did get my injectors back from cruzin on thursday(Maybe 4 days after I sent them to him) and slapped those in today as well. I also added about a nickels worth of raised fuel pressure while the fuel rail was out too. Pulls a little harder down low with the 19Lb'ers and the added F/P.

 

Hey CHD, how is the business doing? I see you are investing alot into this project, I imagine things are working pretty well?

 

Well right now I have 1 sale. But I do plan on making more then just headers with this bensder so hopefull it will prove a wise investment. But yes I am investing ALOT into this thing. 280 for the bender, 235 for the die, 200 for the welder(another 250 for the welder that I really want, 90 on building the stand for the bender. Thats why no one has built these besides me I quess... I figure with this board alone I should make up for the costs in under 2 months or 6-8 sets.


Bt at around 1100 so far... Damn I coulda paid off my car!!!!!

 

So Deadhero is the only person who has bought something from you so far? I didn't maen the headers I ment GenXRacing as a whole... your ***** business... I would have thought someone would have gotten something from you by now...

I'm going to get some sleep now...

 

HA that has been a joke(even though I have the lowest prices I have seen anywhere). 1 sale. Made 14 bucks that went back to ebay to pay for other postings... I have not done anything with the page/thing in months.

 

i thought the headers were going to be full length. how do the collectors face strait down if they are full length


-Bruce

 

thru the magic use of smoke & mirrors......:sillylol:

let me know when th eturbo headers are done. I got my tax return w/ $200 more back than planned. the engine will be bought soon :lala:

 

Ok. To get the full length type they will be FAR FROM equal length. I can shorten the runners to about 12-14 inches and have them alot closer to equal length. I know I said that these would be close to full length long tube... but with the bending radious of almost 5 inches to get full length long tube is next to impossible. This weekend I am buying a bare block and am going to work on the headers on that mounted on a stand.