91banditt2

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well i turned the other runner over to our welder this morning.the runner that only needed the one side welded in?i was holding out because i was going to use that last peice of aluminum as an example when i went of fab shops.

"this is what i need..got any?"

well i caught a break today on the set of runners that i have been working on.i was talking to my buddy here at work while he was stamping information on a name plate for a boltlock switch.well i was looking at the name plate(made of alum.)and was thinking ya know that name plate is about the right width for what i need.i ask him to let me take a look at it.and told him that is almost perfect for what i need.i told him i would bring it right back i wanted our welder to take a look at it.he told me it's alittle thin but he could make it work.i was like"cool!!!"
i went back to see if we had any extra name plates and my buddy told me he had a couple hundred of them.so i was like"cool!!!!!!"
when i get a chance i'll post so pics of what i have done to the runners so far

Stay Tuned!!!!!!!!


hehehehe

91RamAir Formula

why not just buy a set of Arizona Speen and Marine Semi Siemese runners? like I did, it's the same concept and they work great I should know more on their flow capabilities when I get my new cam in.

91banditt2

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i'll anwser your question with a question

how much did you pay for those runners?



so far i have 0$ in this project just a little bit of time.

Swapmaster

Your Arizona Speed semisiamesed runners are just that,
semisiamesed "RUNNERS". What Bandit has in his possesion
are actually plenum extensions. They are no longer runners
at all but will act as plenum area because the air mass will be
moving too slowly in them to have any positive effect on the
the cylinder filling properties of the intake as a whole.

In fact they will dampen filling properties at lower rpm's but
will enhance filling properties at higher rpm's

Zoom, Zoom.

Swapmaster

Hey Bandit, have you thought about what you are going to do
with the runner side of the base yet?

I was planning on cutting the headers of the runners to match
the new "B" shaped tube then do the same to the base with
a mild 1/2" siamese so the runners blend into the base nicely
and also cut the plenum to match.

If you want, I could send you the plenum and base that those
runners are from and you can port everything to match without
having your car down forever.

91banditt2

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Swapmaster that would be great!!!that i wont be with out a car while i port the rest of the intake.i really don't like driving my daily beater car

what i had planned on doing was cutiing out the runner deviders in the plenum to match the runners.with the base i was planning on cutting runner devider wall out about half way down.
i still need to do some research on what other people have gottin out of cutting the devider 1/4 of the way,half way or cut it out completly.
any thoughts?

Swapmaster

I will box them up and send them probably on Monday or
Tuesday. Personally I wouldn't go too deep on the base.
I think the runners are like 6-1/2" long in the base which will
run to 6,500 rpm if you open them up. Cutting 2" in should
raise the rpm range to about 7,500 rpm. So I would just try
to match them to the new runner openings as best you can
without creating a any sharp steps or a larger opening in the
base than the runners are. A small hole feeding into a larger
hole will create turbulance as the air pases any uneven mating
surfaces which will reduce air flow.

On the base side of the runners you could knife edge and
round off the leftover upper portion of the flange to eliminate
any sharp edges then siamese the base an inch or two at the
most. Just make sure you have a nice transition between the
two.

Swapmaster

Oh yea, don't worry about what other people have gotten out
of siamesing their bases. They were not working with fully
siamesed runners. You have a unique setup that will respond
differently than the rest. If you go 2" in, you will truly have
4-1/2" runners in the base without any tuning influence from
nonsiamesed runners adding subharmonic pulses to the mix
which I personally don't think is all that helpfull. But there is
really no way to tell, that's just my personal opinion.

91banditt2

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Swapmaster

Steaming shiznits Bat Man, that takes some snarley nads to
get that wacked. You must have to have your pants custom
taylored to have a sack pocket sewn in the crotch, don't ya?

91banditt2

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:rockon:

Swapmaster

Thought so

:hail: :hail: :hail:

91banditt2

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when i take on a project i go all out.it's all or nothing with me brother

Swapmaster

I hope the flanges are still square when you are done. Why don't
you hold off welding the tops on until I send you the rest of the
intake. That way you can bolt it all together when he welds them
on so it don't warp out too bad.

I should get them boxed up tomorrow and send them Tuesday.

91banditt2

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91banditt2

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thanks swapmaster i recieved the parts today
couple questions
on the base there are "studs"sticking out between the injector boss's what are those for?
there is a brass fitting right next to the dist. hole what's that for?
is this a Vette TPI?

Swapmaster

Yea, it's off an 89 Vette. Don't know what the extras are for,
I tore it down a few years ago and don't remember.

It's hell to get old.

91banditt2

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well i wouldn't know anything about getting old just turned 30 this past March but i still feel 21(with 50 year old knees)

SATURN5

Damn I second that one.....

Swapmaster

so what's the hub bub.............bub?

Swapmaster

Sorry, nothing to say on this one, just wanted to get that
600th post in.

91banditt2

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i really haven't had a whole lot of time to put towards the runners.been working alot and and working alot on getting my car to run right.take a look at these threads and see what you think

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=125771
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=125971
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=125970

Ions91Z28

anything new?

Swapmaster

I was just wandering that myself the other night.

I haven't been on in a while. Started a new repair shop and have
been working 12 - 14 hour days. Too damn tired to do much but
eat and sleep for the last few months.

Anyone want to buy my 4dr Jag? I have a new toy comming. 1989
Jag 2dr convert V12 with an underhood fire. She gets a 383 with
one of John's LT1 intakes and an onboard laptop to keep her in
tune.

91banditt2

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spare time?what's that?
all i need to do is cut the other runner and trim and fit the peices of alum.
i just need to find the time to work on this

DURTYBIRD

ttt...we want some status!

89 Iroc Z

Are you planning on cutting out the red parts of the picture below? If you don't you are going to have major air turbulence which will just be working against you.

91banditt2

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Yes

89Formula350WS6

Any updates on this?? Looks like great work Swap & Bandit

91banditt2

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well i been having some troubles with getting my car to run right after my 305 TBI to 350 TPI.but i hope to have these runners on here in the next couple weeks
stay tuned!

91banditt2

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i just started to modify the base.i'm going to cut about an inche into the base runners.after that i may go even deeper and see what we get.

j91z28d1

and?

91banditt2

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and what?

there are people that were interested in how things were going so i was posting an update.

anesthes

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Hrmm.. Now thats interesting..

j91z28d1

right... any updates

anesthes

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Yeah, I own the runners now.

3rd owner in 2 years.. THe evil runners.

I'll get some dyno time in with them vs my fully ported SLP's and report back.

-- Joe

FSTFBDY

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Diggin this one up from the Grave.... Hopefully there is some new news on these runners. It might help out this guy.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...72#post1942472

anesthes

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They flowed more than my slps.

I sold both setups.. All my tpi stuff is gone.

Another member owns them now. I only know him by his real name though. Maybe he'll chime in.

-- Joe

jerflash

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ya that wouold be really cool
unfortunatly my car got t-boned today so thats the end of that

going to have to part it out or buy another one

WinnipegGTA

Sorry about the grave digging. Any new status on these interested in doing this low buck mod aswell.

Fevre

That looks like a lot of work to cut and weld and fill and smooth them out. Why not just fill in the area between the runners with JB weld or what ever untill they are flat on both sides then hollow them out? Seems that would be much quicker but I have never done it.

jerflash

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see that sounds like a good idea

Swapmaster

I thought about that at the start but I don't think you could get the JB to stay stuck to the aluminum runner forever. Aluminum expands too much when it gets hot. Some of the new liquid solder compounds on the market may work though. Nice to see there is still intrest in this project. Who has them now? I am thinking about starting another set and would like to see some pictures of what they look like now.

BigWhiteGTP

How old is this thread now, 3 years? I love grave digging.

So does anyone know what came of the actual results? Did anyone ever dyno those things? Bandit took over the project from Swampmaster, Anesthes bought them from Bandit and then later sold them to an unknown.

Who has these now and goddammit, dyno them or sell them to me so I can dyno them. SwampMaster, so you think siamesing the stock base will further help out flow?

Swapmaster

Talk about grave digging, sheesh. I have a new theory I am thinking about. Siamese the base about 2 inches and only siamese the number 5 and 7 runners on the left hand side. With the base siamesed there is no real reason to do the runners except for number 5 and 7 because they draw air at the same time so they need more flow. I have a flow bench now and a way to weld aluminum so it's just a matter of finding time to get it done.

91banditt2

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maybe you could contact this member and see what came of the bouncing runners

Thirdgen89GTA

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AS&M SS runners act like a plenum extension. They extend the plenum volume about 6" into the runner tract. Also, the AS&M runners are made from extruded aluminum with a 1.66" inner diameter on the runners. The stock diameter is 1.48" with almost no room for improvement. The reason I think the AS&M SS runners will out perform the modifed stock runners has to do with the nearly polished surface on the inside of the runners, as well as the increased inner diameter. Those two things ought to give the AS&M SS setup more average gain compared to the modifed runners. Though I do believe the modifed runner will have more top end than the AS&M SS runners. I just don't think it will be all that much when it comes down to hard numbers.

However, if you've got the skills, and tools nesessary to do the job, then it makes quite a bit more sense than spending $400 to $500 on a set of runners. I bought my AS&M SS runners for $300 and they are freaking brand new. I got a good deal.

anesthes

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I can't remember the guys name now.

If you guys are really looking to "go fast" on the cheap, swing into the alternative efi board and check out some of the setups we've built.

-- Joe

8UpAFord

I hogged out my base it cuts like butter with a burr and a high rpm wiz wheel. It's restricked like a champ where it mates with the head. I went a little crazy and hogged out my pleuinm and put a very small hole in the side of it this was my first time porting. i used 24 hour JB weld in the inner and outter area and put in nice layer around the hole. Does anyone think that it will or will not hold up to heat and all. After seeing the post those welding flux sticks might be better looking and safer. It's not that noticalbe with the jb weld and JB is really good stuff. I think it should be good. Please give me you're alls thoughs please.

Thank You