BBSDesigns

Tomorrow I will be installing the <Font color=red><I>NEW</I></Font> BBSDesigns Single Turbo System for serpentine belt equiped cars with operational A/C. Thought that maybe someone out there might be interested.

FSTFBDY

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Nice. deff. get pic's up.

Now go get on a twin setup. Im interested in seeing them headers

BBSDesigns

TPI383
I know you have been asking me for the twin turbo headers a lot, sorry I could'nt have them ready, been very very busy. I was working on different projects including single turbo system orders, orders of headers alone, the serpentine turbo system, my personal 89' GTA project, and guys, dont hate for this one; my road racing Honda CRX.

The CCCPR first race of the year started this past weekend. There was two heats; heat #1 second position(not bad), heat #2 last (TOO BAD) . A GT-S Mudstain or Slowtang hit me on the drive's side 1/4 panel and destroyed my rear suspension on that heat.

Well in resume, now that I have bit more time is very possible that the twin turbo headers are going to be available this week.

Timz2882

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hey i got a quick question. i want to buy the single turbo kit you make but i was wounderin, if i buy the partial kit is there any way to buy the rest of the kit piece by piece or in pieces? like im goin to build a 383 and plan on gettin your single turbo set up for it (since its the best lookin one ready to use) and i just dont have $2500+ for the complete kit plus im goin to build or modify a fmic for my car when i get this motor built. if you can PM or just let me know here that will be great, it wil be just alittle more info i need to know.

twolfe

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i would definately like to see a true bolt on while retaining all acc's.. smog and ac. any one have any of your systems ? any photo;s availiable??

-tony

OUTATIME GTA

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yes, that's what i'm waiting for.
glad to see the serpentine part is available now, but i would need my a/c and be California smog legal, then I'm sold!

bad_turbo

as long as you didn't have to open your hood, we could make a turbo kit legal in california.

twolfe

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Absolutely, I don’t mind relocating my battery and overflow, but no accessories. I think I would be definitely sold. Just some more research on the parts used and I would like to see the kit on another member’s car also.

rtkjadams

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Is this going to be a complete kit, ready to bolt on and run? Do I need to upgrade the injectors or fuel pump? How much is this gonna go for?


Ray

twolfe

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bad turbo:

are you saying that you make turbo setups?

B4Ctom1

Yeah bad turbo, do you have something for those of us "non smog" 3rd gens?

FSTFBDY

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Tom, and anyone else.. I dont want to hijack BBSD's thread on his setups. PM me or Ty (badturbo)pref him he is a friend of Rick) on Innovative Info. I can forward you the info I have if Ty isnt online at the time..

bad_turbo

I'm working on trying to get Innovative turbo to start making kits for the third gens. They offer a log style manifold, that I saw the other day, but it is just an exact replica of the old Banks manifold from the 80's. Apparently the accessories have to be relocated to clear. Vintage Air makes the bracket system to relocate the alternator, a/c, etc., but you have to use "their" a/c compressor and a different alternator for this to work. I'm taking pics of this manifold and the Vintage Air bracketry tomorrow at Innovative and TPI383 will post them for you. I will try and answer any questions you guys have.

CrazyHawaiian

I'm real interested in those brackets. I just got my hands on the Banks manifolds, and they will soon be going into my 91 Z. I was really hoping I could keep the A/C. Do you happen to know if the Banks kit came with the downpipes? Because the kit I bought did come with two downpipes, but the previous owner was not sure if it would clear the A/C stuff (so I was under the impression that it had to be removed). Thanks for the info on how to get it all to work!!

bad_turbo

Not sure on the downpipes. I would think if someone offered a turbo "kit", it would include downpipes. I took some pics of the Vintage Air bracketry and will have them developed this week for TPI383 to post.

BBSDesigns

Finished one side of the twin turbo headers this weekend, as soon as the other side headers are ready I will put them for sale. Two twin turbo setups with headers, turbos, downpipes and wastegates will be for sale, I will also be making an extra pair for selling them alone. I will post the pics of the headers this week. For those of you asking if it can be run with A/C, no it cant be run with A/C. Anyone wanting turbo and A/C will have to go with the single turbo kits; the V belt which is currently available and the serpentine which is going to be available this week also.

rtkjadams

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Is the Serpentine Belt System going to be priced the same as the V Belt System?

twolfe

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and will this conform to allow having a smog pump ??

BBSDesigns

The car that the serpentine turbo kit was installed on didnt have the smog pump. I will have to check if it fits with the smog pump, I belive it will. About the price, it does have some extra work and more complex turbo intake and turbo discharge piping. I'll let know when every aspect of the kit is covered.

twolfe

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cool.. have any updated pictures yet ? and i would definately require smog and ac to be kept .. if you were to put the turbo where the battery is that would not be a problem.. that way the heat is kept away from motor and accessories.. not required but would be nice..

Bajram

how much for the twin turbo set up bbs? im very intrested in this and what does it all come with

FSTFBDY

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check your e-mail and Private messages on this board BBSD

BBSDesigns

This is the single turbo header for f-body's with serpentine belt and operational A/C. It is currently available for $575.00. All laser cut 3/8" steel flanges with 1/8" wall thick pipes, all TIG welded. Ceramic coating option available. Complete kits available soon, just working on some details to get it finished.

83 Crossfire TA

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huh... what is the tube going straight up?

BBSDesigns

That pipe going up with a flange at the end is for the wastegate, the only place it could be fit. I have placed the wastegate there before and they just work fine.

BBSDesigns

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 83 Crossfire TA
huh... what is the tube going straight up? [/QUO

That pipe going up with a flange at the end is for the wastegate, the only place it could be fit. I have placed the wastegate there before on other setups and they work normaly.

3.8TransAM

Interesting....................................

do u by chance want a Eaton M90 roots blower in trade for a manifold :-)

would ditch it in a hurry to bolt that up :-)

Is that a 3 or 4 bolt turbo flange?

Picture isnt the greatest, how is clearance with AC box, access to wires/plugs etc with that manifold?

Oil dipstick?

hmmm shipping be devesatating to chicago area?

Anyone here order or even have one yet?

Just checking...........damn, was going to use sc and sc/intercool the formie, but if i can swing a turbo with a decent breathign manifold hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

thanks
Jeremy

3.8TransAM

Interesting....................................

do u by chance want a Eaton M90 roots blower in trade for a manifold :-)

would ditch it in a hurry to bolt that up :-)

Is that a 3 or 4 bolt turbo flange?

Picture isnt the greatest, how is clearance with AC box, access to wires/plugs etc with that manifold?

Oil dipstick?

hmmm shipping be devesatating to chicago area?

Anyone here order or even have one yet?

Just checking...........damn, was going to use sc and sc/intercool the formie, but if i can swing a turbo with a decent breathign manifold hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

thanks
Jeremy

BBSDesigns

Thank's for the SC offer, but I'm more of a turbo kind of guy
That picture shown is a turbo setup for V belt with A/C not for the serpentine belt setup, I attached it to show the wastegate. Anyways the serpentine turbo setup uses a turbo simmilar to the one shown in the picture, a 60-1 hi fi turbocharger. Because of the A/C compressor being located at the passenger's side, in the serpentine belt setup everything is more tight, but still looks clean.
The serpentine turbo setup is almost complete, turbo headers for serpentine belt setup are in stock, driver's side headers, crossover pipes, down pipes with wastegate port, wastegate's and turbochargers are also available. The only reason I have not offered yet is because I havent finished the intake so I can offer a complete kit for those looking for a complete kit (I slowed down the serpentine project to start with twin turbo).
You can use your stock oil dipstick, but you will have to specially bent it to clear the down pipe, turbo header and turbocharger. I always offer the oil dipstick in the complete kits.
Shipping for a complete kit is around $80.00-$90.00 Priority mail, it's cheaper if standard mail is used. A turbo header alone ships for $30.00-$40.00 Priority, again cheaper if standard mail is used.

twolfe

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have you fitted this serp set up on a car with the A.I.R. pump and hoses? im interested to see if it will work with all accessories. what is done with all of the hoses located on the pass side ? the ones for air and heat ??
do you know if any one has finishes an install of your kit yet? im wondering if they have had any sugestions on the install.

thanks...

stevedave454

you seem to be very worried about emissions... correct me if i am wrong, but you must have a C.A.R.B. certification/# to be emissions legal, and these do not (VERY VERY expensive), therefore the whole air pump stuff doesn't matter anyways

twolfe

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well i have to run emissions every 2 yers, and i wanted to keep all of the accesories on the car. i dont understand what the carb # is used for?

BBSDesigns

This is a picture of the installed serpentine setup on a 88' Camaro, with A/C and no smog pump. The turbo header was re-designed and wastegate is re-located beneath the A/C compressor is. Is a very tight installation, but everything is working nicely. A/C insulation is a must, aluminum sheet metal and some thermo tec insulation is going to be used on the Camaro. It took about 8 hours of installation and then to the muffler shop to join the downpipe to the rest of the exhaust pipe. Oil return is thru the valve cover, a design used by me earlier on other setups with excellent results. Installation is really fast, anyone interested would be going turbo in just one day with the proper tools. Stock intake elbow was used since the kit was going to be run at 5 boost, minimal expansion was observed.

twolfe

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BBS,

What hp did the 5lbs make (just wondering) I have done some research on the smog thing and im thinking ill gut it, What is the prive on the single setup with serp and a/c?? How much more is it for the manifolds to be ceramic coated inside and out?

thanks
-Tony

IANTI

I've got a silly question does BBS have a website?

BBSDesigns

Not yet, very soon

BBSDesigns

Hi Tony
The owner of the Camaro wants to rebuild his tired TH700. The tranny was slipping before turbo and it was slipping even more after. So I guess we would have to wait for him to refresh his tranny to see the numbers. He is running forged pistons, stock heads and stock internals so I recomended him to stay below the 6 psi for now.

TurboedTPI

BBS, Hey its me, Tim. I bought one of your turbo headers, remember? I was woundering if you got the pics i sent to you.

BBSDesigns

Hi Tim! how are you boosting?

I have your pics in my clients album. It looks great! everytime I see the TPI unit my eyes get wet. I have a Holley stealth ram and is very easy to get access to injectors and parts, but <B>nothing</B> beats the looks of a TPI and it even looks better with that turbo on the side

Do you want me to post the pics?

TurboedTPI

Yeah, i was trying but couldn't figure it out.

BBSDesigns

I've made some re-size and resolution changes and here they are. The pics you send me look much better, but where to large in size. The turbo you used is a 62-1 or 60-1 right? It looks even smaller than the pic you send me.

BBSDesigns

This one also needed surgery, and this it what we got;

PS: Anyone knows a better way to re-size pictures?

bohn333

i sent an e-mail regarding a turbo set-up but never recieved a reply, are these things for sale or what?

BBSDesigns

If you are interested in the products, they are currently being sold at eBay at very low prices, or try True Blue Motorsports at; www.twistdisc.com, or contact me at; bermudezbrainstormindesigns@hotmail.com
BBSDesigns own website is going to be available soon.

I am very sorry I havent respond to your e-mail, I've been out of town this week and internet access has been almost impossible.
Edgardo

StealthElephant

You gonna be making these turbo kits for a while or is it a side thing for a short time?

BBSDesigns

Now that GM killed the f-body is just a matter of time that the current 3rd gen f-body cars disapear or that the turbo minded guys owners of these cars get their kits or make their own. LT1, LS1 and LS6 are my next goal, and as soon I have the chance I will be making kits for these also, but again is just a matter of time.
So in time I guess that making turbo kits for 3rd gen wont be very often, probbably keep on moving on to other car models. So for those interested, this is the time to get your BBSDesigns turbo kit , because you never know when I will end making them and start making them for Toyotas

twolfe

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bbs, on the single kit, that type of lag is there? is it moderate ? anyone that has it installed have amy insight on the lag issue?

83crossfireZ28

i guess then people like me will have to start making them then lol

StealthElephant

Yea....I def won't have the money to undertake my next engine build for another 18 months.

BBSDesigns

My personal opinion is that the 62-1 turbo starts kicking at 2700rpm from there to 6500 is all power and lightning fast. My recomendation is that if you dont have slicks get a very good rev-limiter and shift light, because the street tires wont hold on to the pavement and the rpm gauge will just rocket-jump from 2700rpm to 7000rpm (rev-limited to 7000rpm's in my case). The first few rides where dangerously fun. The car kept on spinning the wheels at 100mph!!
That was with the very same turbo setup that "erictheviking" from England UK bought from me, but he just got his kit recently. "TurboedTPI" also has the same setup but with a TPI, you can ask him also since his got his car up and running. I have to say that I was running with the Holley stealth ram, 8.24-1 pistons and ported stock heads and some other mods, but stock internals. I guess that with a TPI lag would be even less because of the faster air moving thru the runners.