Hello,

I bought a set of Summit headers for camaro/firebird, for 79.00 which came with an
O2 sensor.

Summit's product description was "requires major modifcations to stock Y-pipe".

After putting them in the car, raising the car on the lift and looking at it vs stock Y-pipe I said "screw this".

I ordered a set of Flowtech headers + y-pipe for our car. These came today.

I pulled the summit headers and put them on the bench . I opened the box and pulled the flowtech headers out and almost fell on the floor.

The headers were identical, tube lengths and bends, welds, thickness of flanges, etc.

I put the summit headers back in, and bolted up the flowtech y-pipe. It fit.

I called Summit and spoke to a sales rep. Explained it all to him. He then came back with "Well Flowtech makes our headers, they are the exact same thing - just cheaper. But we're not suposed to tell you that."

I then boxed up the flowtech headers and y-pipe and agreed to ship them back, and the sales rep. Is sending me a y-pipe for 95.00.

Now I've heard people preach horrow stories about summit/flowtech headers. Frankly I dont understand why.. They both went in in about 20 mins. They didn't hit anything. (I have a/c).. This is a 1989 Firebird, TPI car..

Anyway.. Like I said, Summit headers are $79.00, Flowtech headers are $99.00.
Y-pipe is $95.00. $175.00 for headers &
pipe that fit perfect in stock location are not bad.

Now of course, these arn't EQL length headers, and they don't have huge collectors either. But for the money, I think they work just swell.

-- Joe

 

I agree.the header bolt on the passenger side is a b#### to put on but they work for me.Now trying to find 13/4 headers on a budget.Fine for the 350 I had but not the 409(400 .040 over).

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87 IROC WITH 409(.040 OVER400) MINIRAM,NOS(125HP)TRICK FLOW PORTED HEADS,C.C.CAM,FLOWTEK HEADERS,CUSTOM PROM,MODIFIED 700R TRANS,2400 B&M CONVERTER,3.73POSI REAREND.
LOOKING FOR THE 11 SEC. ZONE.current ets.12.39@114 mph

 

anesthes
Any install tips? I'm looking to do headers soon on my 86 WS6.

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86 T/A 5.0 A4 & 2.77 gear
15.62 @ 86 mph
93 Civic 1.6L
13.5 @ 100 mph

 

Well my car was TPI with no A.I.R.. SO I didn't have that in the way.. the headers fit
in from top of bottom, just make sure you put your spark plugs in _after_.. I didn't have
a dipstick in at the time, so it might have been easier for me.. I put the dipstick in after the headers were bolted.

You may want to consider taking your starter out if you wanna put the passenger side in from the bottom.. It went in from the top for me.


these really were easy to put in. the hardest part is starting the bolt with your hands, otherwise they go right in and tighten up.

-- Joe

 

THX for the info.

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86 T/A 5.0 A4 & 2.77 gear
15.62 @ 86 mph
93 Civic 1.6L
13.5 @ 100 mph

 

No prob.

I got the flowmaster muffler and gutten cat hooked up and it sounds perdy mean..

-- Joe

 

are they 1-5/8" primaries or 1-1/2"? what is the diameter of the Y pipe? what is the diameter of the end that the cat goes to?

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
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These are the shorty headers right?

So flowtech has a y-pipe that will bolt up to the summit shorty headers? What is the part number and where can I order one.. please...

Thanks

Jay

 

don't know about flowtechs, but with slp's, i had to disconnect the driver's side motor mount and jack up the engine, and we have to slightly move the steering shaft, because we don't want to ding the tube any more than it already is.

 

Well I went and ordered the flowtech y-pipe...

Guess I'll know when I get it and try to put it on if its the right one..

Jay

 

Hey,

Sorry I was in a business trip.

The summit/flowtech header is flowtech part #
11102FLT, it is the same header in the 11602
kit (which comes with the pipe). Wether or not you order them seperately, its the same price.. (99.00 + 95.00 or 195.00)

If you goto holley's website and click on flowtech you can get all the info on the header.

I personally think its not bad for a 200.00
header. It sounds mean, seems to flow fairly well, and went in easier than stock manifolds.

(mind you I have a lift)

-- Joe

 

FYI these are "shorty style" they exit down by the back of the oil pan.. _NOT_ block hugger headers.. Your on your own if you bought those.

-- Joe

 

Thanks I'm pretty sure this is what I need...



Guess I'll find out tommorrow..

Jay

 

You gave us the part # for the Flowtech headers, but what about the part # for the summit headers...I sure would like to save 20 bucks...thanks

 

SUM-G9005

 

ive got these headers on my 91 firbird.there good bang for the buck.i havent been driving it much but finally took it out last month up to work and back.it is like 140 mile round trip for me to work and back home. but havent ordered the y pipe yet.just straight headersal the way from waverly to columbus. i mostly stayed on SR 104 but still they sound good when droping from 5th to 3rd.talk about being paranoid the whole time.

 

I think I'll go with these headers. I've been looking for more than a year & they're $119 for the headers on Summit & $119 extra for the y-pipe as well.

 

Resurrected a 7 year old thread? Gotta be a record.

 

Wow, yep...haha but funny information.

 

No, not a record but I don't usually pay attention to dates on these threads. There is so much information on here that I'm too busy reading the threads for what I need to find.

 

Ah, in that case, I went with Hooker 2460 a couple months ago. Still haven't put them on yet. Gonna fab up my own system.

 

changing plugs with these headers is easy, I do all 8 from the top.

 

Same here, even with pro comp angle plug heads.Been on for two years in Dec.

 

I dont mean to resurrect an old thread but i was wondering since you guys were talking about summit headers if any of you knew if summit # SUM-G9001 fit our cars (they're longtubes)