I dont really hear that much on the GM fastburn heads. is there something about these heads that makes you guys not like them or praise them. I'm looking for a head and cam package to work with the HSR. Im gonna get the heads and cam now and when money comes around again Ill get the HSR.

 

honestly it's like most things in life, the only things praised are things that "everyone" owns.


why is the mustang aftermarket so large..........? everyone owns one, does that mean they are better than a thirdgen who's aftermarket product range is small? i think not!

i dont know about the SR....however if it fit's i'm sure it would work well. the miniram 3 would be your best bet over everything.

so much power for a reasonable amount of money.

 

The miniram is out of the question here. I am not throwing down all that money for a miniram and fuel rail kit. Yes I understand its a lot better then the HSR in the HP catogory but not for the money. Plus it looks ugly as He11

 

lol........just making a point, nothing more nothing less.

and it's more than just a considerable amount.

almost 100 on a stock setup. you should see what it does on a really built bottom end.

good luck, if you want looks stick with the tpi as both the hsr and the miniram are ugly.

 

Im not really looking for a ton over HP. Just close to 400 after some tuning and stuff. The way I see it is id rather get a nice pair of heads now ad still be able to build on them later. Thats why I like the fastburn heads. Ya I know your thinking AFR, again, im not spending that much. Im trying to stay with budget to a point. $2,000 is the most I can spend on all this over the course of this year. I have about $1,500 right now so the heads and cam are first. then the HSR can come later around spring time. besides being aluminum what is the dif, between the vortecs and fastburns?

oh and I wil be using my tpi setup with the fastburns and cam(unknown choice) until I get the HSR

 

hmmmmm.. I think the miniram looks SWEET! but the TPI is the best... they all look good to me... they all mean " look at that, that guys got some power under the hood"

just my .02

 

Do they make a HSR base that matches the vortec style intake ports on the Fastburn heads?

 

I don't think so..

 

I know for a fact they didn't back in July. I thought we better mention that as I don't think it is possible.

 

Nope. The Fastburns are the same raised runner ports at the Vortecs, so they wont work at all.

 

i'm telling you to save up and by a minram or just try and find one used.

you'll be kicking yourself in the long run. so nice.........

 

in the short meantime, can i still use my stock TPI intake with the fastburns. I guess not not if there the same as the vortecs right. Ill just have to wait and put then in withthe new intake the summer

 

nope, you need a separate intake....i believe SCD may make some sort of intake that can use the fastburns and the stock tpi setup.

the price isn't worth it though....

 

well that stinks. Yes SPDC does have that vortec style TPI intalke and no it isnt worth the $400. For another $100 you can an HSR. I guess I will just have to wait to put the heads on, all well,

 

Are there any comparisons out there between the HSR and the MR? That would be something I'd pay to see. If TPIS could justify charging 1300 for a peice of aluminum then I would buy it. But I don't think that it would perform all that much better than the HSR. Unless you use a monster cam. The HSR will make power past 6500, the MR will spin past 7000. The MR is a great race intake, but if you have a race car why the hell are you still using F.I. anyway. It would be easier and cheaper to go carb. I don't get it. I tried to talk to TPIS but they just they just told me if I "thought it was too pricey then don't buy it!"
nice guys huh.

 

You forget something though, up until now it has only been the miniram and super ram. There was no Holley Stealthram for small blocks before last year, so people were eating up these two other intakes, besides the ltr's, for what they were priced at! The miniram has been around for like 10 years now so yes, i agree with you there, TPIS should lower the price to "compete". The HSR is like a medium for both intakes, "best of both worlds" people have been saying so of course people will turn to the cheaper alternative, similar to this idea of using the LT1 intake now. About the race idea, not too sure there is a rule or law stating that all race cars are or should be carbed, but ok! Different strokes for different folks and that is exactly why people buy what they want. I have noticed that TPIS can have an attitude from time to time but it is their product so they can truely do what they want. May be bad business, but i am sure there are atleast 5 guys like you caling them everyday questioning their pricing! I know i did a couple years ago. But hey, if you don't agree with it, just don't do business. But if someone can't afford it, that is another story all together, save your pennies. I too would like to see some type of shoot out between intakes on very similar cars/motors. That would be something to see. Later

 

I'm not sure exactly how they're drilled (center 2 bolts drilled 90* to the intake part of the head, or at an angle like the stock tpi manifolds), but i know for sure that the fastburns will accept both vortec style manifolds (4 bolts) and regular(6 bolt) styles.

 

ok heres some updates on my research on the fastburn heads. They will bolt to the HSR but the ports will not line up. The fastburn heads have the same raised ports as the vortec heads. the only 2 intakes that will work with are the miniram 3 and SDPC tpi intake. I wonder how SLP runners will work with this

 

The problem with the port size is this:



I use the "if it doesn't work, make it work method":

My SuperRam base with modified ports to fit the Fast Burn heads:





More pics are here:

http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro/DSC00003.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro/DSC00002.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro/DSC01141.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro/DSC01139.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro...eproblem1b.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~balazs/camaro/intakeproblem2.jpg

 

that's a great idea.


i dont agree with tpis prices, i do however agree with their numbers. i know of people personally with 350 setups mild to wild using the miniram and their engines are running faster then LS1's with very low amounts of money. to me that's something to look forward to. if you can build a reliable street monster for the same price of a LS1 swap and have 200 more horsepower i'm all for it....... to each his own.
:lala:

 

so did you end up welding more material to the intake? do you have any other pics? I called SDPC yesterday and they say their intake will flow as good as the Edelbrock. Now I know they will say this to make us buy their product. How much of a difference is there in the fastburns compared to the vortecs on a daily driven street car.

 

I would think the cheaper/easier route would be to just go with the HSR on top of something like the Trickflow heads. Holley ran a test in a magazine awhile back with the Holley aluminum heads on a 350, with a 225/235 cam with the HSR and made right at 410hp I believe it was. Should be able to match that with any number of Al heads like the Trickflows, as the Holleys are nothing special...

 

there is a tremendous difference, but it depends on the intake your going to use to.

you have to properly match all your parts, if you don't your asking for trouble.

i picked my heads and then built the base to make them work with ease and then picked the best intake possible to max everything out without causing mechanical problems down the road or making it un-streetable.

it all depends on your budget and your goal, maybe you should look at different heads.

 

I was going through the same problem just over a year ago. I was putting a new motor in the car and was looking at all the different intake options. I liked the success people were having with the LT1 intake swap but I also really preferred the raised runner Vortec style heads. I did some research and started looking at the LT4 intake. Since the LT4 intake and heads were designed with a raised runner design, I wanted to see if the intake would be a good match with the Fast Burn heads. When I got the intake and heads together, I found out that the ports were extremely close to lining up perfectly. All that was needed was some very minor porting on the top of the LT4 intake ports. (something like .150") After doing the other modifications that need to be done to an LT1 intake that John Millican has been doing for over a year now, I was able to bolt the LT4 intake right up to the Fast Burn heads. I used a FelPro 1255 gasket. This gasket has the Vortec sized ports but has both the Vortec and standard bolt patterns in it. I've had this setup since last January and am very happy with it. The motor pulls to over 6000 rpm with ease and I still have some tuning to do on it. Let me knoiw if you have any questions and I'll be glad to answer them.

 

Have you been to the track yet with that set up? Sounds nice.

 

how much better is the lt4 intake over the lt1? also, how is the torque curve. what do you think yo uhave for HP? There is 15 LT4 intakes on ebay for $205 each. is that a fair price.

 

i looked into the lt4 as well and alot of people told me that it wouldn't work without modification like above and still wouldn't get the numbers that a MR would. for the price i couldn't see taking the chance.

forgot who does the lt1 conversions on here, but i even asked him and he turned me away.....while i didn't understand since some have said it worked. he did turn alot of money down?

either way i'm glad it worked for you, i'd love to see some numbers myself.

 

I still haven't been to the track yet with this setup. I'm actually still in the tuning stage and waiting to install a few more things like gears and better exhaust. I plan on heading to the track and the dyno very soon. I'll post my numbers as soon as I get them. I'm hoping for high 12's and at least 400 hp at the crankshaft.

 

i would think you would have easily around 375 range if everything is perfect.

a friend has the same setup and that's what he's running. another guy is running the identical longblock with the miniram and getting about 435 to the wheels.

it will be interesting to see what happens. sounds good, any pics.

 

I am the LT1 conversions guy. I do turn all LT4 intakes away because of the high cost of getting one. Unless you do all the machine work yourself it isn't cost effective to run a LT4 intake with Vortec heads.
What I'm trying to say, if you pay me for all the machine work, additional things like the remote t-stat housing, custom fuel lines and have to buy a new LT4 intake with fuel rails you quickly approack the cost of a Miniram III.
Again, the only way it cost effective is to do it all yourself.

 

I am curious about the GMPP Ram Jet intake. Why hasn't this intake been discussed before? It is a direct bolt on to both Vortec and fast burn heads but I have only seen one on the cover of the GMPP book. The only real disadvantage I can think of is the fact that it uses the LS1 throttle body, which I am sure would work with some minor modifications. Any comments?

 

It is expensive. $700 is what I've got in my mind for some reason. I like that it has the raised port design, and like the runner length, but GM charges so much for it. Try www.gmgoodwrench.com and see what you can find pricewise.

 

right there is a good example why anyone looking to do the lt1 conversion i gladly send them to you john.

nice to see some honest people....

 

Actually I just looked at it at www.sdpc.com the other night and it is $399 through them and I found it somewhere else for 389. So for around $1500 you could have a fast burn tpi and only have to buy a one piece intake as opposed to the $400 base for the scoggin dickey tpi vortec intake. Makes more sense to me to go with the Ram Jet especially if you are starting from scratch.

 

it all depends on budget like anything............it won't work as well as the MR but it will do the trick and you won't feel like a fool raising the hood that's for sure.

either way you go so long as your bottom end is strong and you match up your cam, intake, heads perfectly you will have a good combination.

just figure out your budget, then decide on what you can do from there. it costs money to go fast so be reasonable...