i pulled up at a light next to a 4th gen firebird formula in my 92 z28. i knew the kid from school and was determined to win. the light turned green so i eased off the clutch and eased on the gas, but still broke them loose. i jumped out in front of him and beat him off the line. the 2 lane road then changed to one lane and i was in front. i was pumped up and ready for more. we made a right at the next street that is sorta curvy(nothing drastic)and had 2 lanes. i took the inside and he went to the outside. i had it in 2nd gear and saw him creeping up fast so i floored it right when he caught up with me. i pulled out about a half a car length through 2nd then 3rd but then i put it in 4th 1000 rpm early(i was paying attention to the road and not the tach)we were then dead even. it was such a thrill cause it's been a while since my last race in my z28 since it is just now getting over winter. i let off the gas and started braking when i realized we were going about 110, plus this van way up in front of me started closing in fast. at the next light he was making a left hand turn and i was going striaght. he was right next to me and we both rolled down our windows and gave eachother a big smile. thinking, yeah our cars rule. now if it was a mustang, i would have given him a thumbs down. but after racing a fellow fbody there's nothing but joy. can't wait to see him in school tomorrow!

 

I thought the 4th gen formula's were V6's though...

one way or another, nice run

 

what mods do you have to hang with an lt1?

 

i have a fresh 305(previous owner blew the stock motor) 5spd with misc. free mods, airfoil, free flowing exhuast, and that's about it for now, at least until i get some money. but the previous owner told me he had put in forged pistons at 10:1 compression ratio and a new cam, but i think he was bull$hitting.

 

Shagwell
The 4th gen Formula's had the same LT1 that the Trans Am had. 1993-1995 275hp, 1996-1997 285hp ramair had 305hp

92TPIZ28
Nice race, sounds like fun. What year was the formula, was it a 6spd or auto, does he have any mods?

 

If you kept up with an LT1 with your lightly modded 305, you'd better tell him that his car has a problem. Either that or he was seriously missing throws if he has a 6sp.

 

I sure as hell hope it wasn't a 2002 hehe those puppies have 345 Hp... 275/35/17's all around too I believe.

Sounds like a 93-95 Lt1...

 

Why would you give a Mustang a thumbs down? I give every car that I race a thumbs up for the race. Mustangs are cool cars, too. If I had more money when I was in the market for a car, I'd probaly be posting on Corral.net right now. (Although I am glad I picked the Firebird, the handling really surprised me) I respect and admire the F-body, and the Mustang. Both are great AMERICAN cars. I'll even give an import a thumbs up for a race.

My point is the person you race is probaly more like you than you realize. Both people want fast cars. Shouldn't hate on people like that .

 

Well, I know this is a stereotype.. but stereotypes were
invented for a reason.

Unfortunately, not always.. but in many occasions..
people that drive mustangs fit a certain category of people.

usually teenage boys from upperclass families. Wealthy
individuals who are athletic.
The cliche' term of "PREPPIE" would fit them.

These cliche' of "PREPPIE" individuals, can be identified usually
as High dollar dressed people, with a very "rich" attitude.
the attitude of "I'm better than you are"
they are loaded guns with sarcastic ammunition just waiting
to spew out given the opportunity to run into a Firebird person.

I Think, and especially judging from a post called "name your favorite cruising songs" I think it was.
most of the people responded naming songs from metal bands.
I'm not saying EVERY firebird and camaro owner is metal people, but Metal people are typically nicer friendlier people.. People who buy Firebirds are usually not PREPPIE'S.. I have seen a few drive them.. but they are Jerks just the same. I have met a lot of people who drive Camaros and birds.. and have met VERY FEW jerks.. where-as I have met Mustang Drivers.. and they were all JERKS..

That is VERY sterotypical.. I KNOW.. but It's just What IVE SEEN

 

He's right. I don't mean to rag on you but a LT1 Formula will run a solid high 13 in the 1/4. Probably around a 13.8-13.9.

A freshened and free modded TPI 305 isn't going to break 13's, or even more so beat a LT1 formy.

I am not saying you didn't win the race, but I bet there are other factors in the equation. Maybe he doesn't know how to drive, or is just toying with ya. Who knows.

Happy hunting!

 

I'll start this post by saying the information I am posting is based on what I have seen at the track. Not information posted on the internet, or what some guy's friend's cousins car ran...you get the picture.

A LT1 formula will run the following in the quarter mile.

A4/2.73 - 14.3-14.6
A4/3.23 - 14.1-14.4
M6 - 13.9999-14.7

Why the big range for M6 cars? Driver and traction. Both vary a lot. Why no gears listed? '93 M6 cars used 3.23 gears and a slightly different geared T56, all other cars have 3.42's.

Of coarse when they are modded they are very strong cars. These are stock numbers I have seen over the years...Definetly catchable with a LB9/5 speed car. If the car has a fresh engine with a new cam, and you hit it from a roll (as you described) you'd do well agaist any auto LT1 car.

Have fun
-Doug

 

i talked to the kid i raced who owns the formula firebird today and he said it's an autmatic and the only mod is exhuast. i forgot to ask him what year it was but i think it's between the years 94 and 97. i was very surprised that i beat a LT1 formula, too, so i went to cars-stats.com and looked up the 1/4 mile times for a formula. it said that the 95 did the 1/4 in 15.1, and i do the 1/4 in mid 14's so i think he has the 95 and that's how i beat him. and if no one believes that my 305 beat an LT1 then i don't really care cause i was there and he ended up behind me.

 

I have a friend with a 94 Z28 with 2.73 rear gears, A4 and he ran a 14.1 bone stock. I don't think he even had a K&N.

 

Those car-stats websites are wrong 99% of the time.

And Adam,
I would not doubt for one second that a A4/2.73 car could hit that mark given the right conditions. The times I posted are what I have seen at the track on less than perfect days.

-Doug

 

15.1 Where did they test that 1/4 mile uphill maybe. I had a 96 Trans Am A4 3.23 and it ran 14.27 bone stock on a hot august day. I'm sure a formula will run at least that or a tad faster since they are slightly lighter. I never believe what the stat sheets or mags say. I just go to the track and look with my own 2 eyes.

 

Hey he won, quit dumping on him and raining on his parade. You never know how a race is going to turn out because their are so many variables. By the way, Beach Boys for cruising.

 

thankyou 89warbird, it's not like i'm making this stuff up, i looked on carstats cause that's my only source of info till i go to the track this summer. so sorry that the times aren't what everyone else says. i talked to the owner of the formula and he said it's a 96, and the only mods he has done is exhuast. just cause he has the LT1 350 and i have the 305 doesn't mean he automatically wins. some factors of the race are: he has auto, i have manual, he only has exhuast, i have exhuast, airfoil, ported plenum, mild cam, forged pistons(10.0:1 compression ratio) , ram air setup, and my 92 z28 has the G92 option. so now with this info does anyone else still question my 305 beating a 350? and i'm not trying to be an ***, i'm just stating the facts. plus he wants to race again, so when we do i'll post up the results.

 

Stop beating on him guys. If he won this race then good for him. You never know in street racing what the outcome will be. Maybe his car was running very good that day and the other one was a little hot or the guy didn't know how to drive. He could of been manually shifting an auto. There are many factors of what could of happened. I don't think he is lying. Let's not put him down to much and give him the credit he is due. Congrats on the kill. Maybe this next race it will turn out different.

 

[qoute]If you kept up with an LT1 with your lightly modded 305, you'd better tell him that his car has a problem. Either that or he was seriously missing throws if he has a 6spd.[/qoute]

Man u guys are idiots, those who dis the 305. I have a 350 and u better not be stock cuz if i see ya at a street light im running you down. My buddy has a 89 G92 Formula 350 and I put 2-3 cars on him by 3rd. I run around a 14 flat with some DRs, if i get a perfect launch i could run 13.98 or something with a 1.9 60ft. Diss the 305 autos, those are dogs but to diss a 5spd 305 (all came with high rear ends from 90-92) Speed density is dissing the same amount of torque and horsies a stock 5 spd notchback is pushing w/a set of higher gears. Now figure a notch runs low 14s stock (ran a 14.4 BONE stock with my "weak" 305) and im running 96mph traps with headers/catback. i rarely see any 3rd gens run almost high traps as me with 350s even. im getting 2.2 60fts now after headers nad what not and am running 14.4, DRs should put me 14.0 flat. Ive got 2 bone stock cobras under my belt and an auto LT1. dont believe me??? i got the time slips from my buddies cobra, he ran 14.0 at a best, and i caught a nice .587 reaction time to his later, it happened to be my best run of the day and one of his worst. this kid didnt say he murdered an LT1 only he beat him and i didnt beat the other cobra by much, bout 1/2 car length and the lt1 i bea twas about 1 car. fyi the 305 g92s came with the 350 cam, know when and what these cars are pushing out before ya talk smack k thx.

 

Hes got same mods as me, but with that compression ratio he should be a little faster than me, i have home made ram air, ported plenum, headers exhaust, airfoil,k &ns. expect low 14s 92z28 be proud of ur 305 5spd not to many of us out here, and oh yea get a nice 60ft and put ur times up, i wanna see what potential is for me. damn bald cheap *** eagle tires = /

 

The LT1 isn't that hot. I had a 305 TPI AUTO with a mild cam and all of the other mods this guy has on his 5spd car (including 3.42s) and LT1s are definitely in the range of beatable with a decent 305, especially auto LT1s. I did it several times...

 

If your car runs mid 14's then I can believe that you beat him and can again. Like I said in my post my 96 TA ran a BEST of 14.27 with the other runs in the high 14.2's to 14.4's so all it would take is you to get the jump on him or just spin less and you can win. But like you said post the results after you run again.

 

all you guys supporting me and the 305, thanks. for a minute i thought everyone thought i was one of those guys who post up false statements, cause i'm not. i never said my 305 is better than a LT1 or that i was bragging that i "murdered" a firebird formula, cause i didn't. i was just posting a race that i took part in and was very proud of. it was a VERY close race, i only took him off the line cause i got a good jump and put a car length in front of him right away. when we went at it again at about 35mph to about 110mph, we were dead even, any closer our side mirrors would have touched. i can't wait till we race again cause it was a good race. i don't know when we are going to, but hopefully soon. i first have to intstall my plenum and runners cause i took them off and polished them and let me add they look awesome. i'm also going to install chrome or aluminum valve covers to match since i already have everything off for easy access. but i promise the minute i get home after we race again i'll post it. so wish me luck!

 

90Iroc-Zee, i see you live in or near chicago. so do i, i live in the southern suburbs. how about you? if we live close(you never know) we could meet up one night or something. later

 

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