I just got a guy to install my lowering springs,,,but the front is higher then before???? Im alittle P.O.'d!!!!!
Heres the meansurments before and after the swap.
(from top of tire to fender)
before
front - 2 1/8"
rear - 1 7/8"

after
front - 2 1/4"
rear - 1 1/4"

heres the pics of old and new



Is there anyway the fronts arent seated right,,,how can I easyly cheack them???
Thanks guys!

 

Drive it around for a couple of weeks... they take a little time to settle.

Also remember, you took out worn-out stock springs, not new ones that meet new specs.... a lowering kit is supposed to make it sit lower than good new stock springs, it's impossible to guarantee that it will sit lower than some random old limp worn-out stock springs with who knows how many million miles on them.

 

tes I realize that but the cars got some major *** draging going on,,,It would be cool if the front settled a bit but if the back settles too then Im still *** draging because its already 1 inch higher on the front!!! Thats more then before....I hope to *** it settles just on the front but do you think it will level off to be the same???

 

This may be your problem. I just got this info from reading some posts but it may be why my front end isnt lower. It may also be why your front didnt lower.

also you got a bunch of system stuff in the back wieghing it down. I dont have anything not even my spare tire,



https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=154750

 

no way man my system wasnt in it when I bought the car,,,,I put it in and it didnt lower it too much if any,,,,then now that I have the new springs in (i dont even got the subs in there now and no 600w amp...its in my Saturn,,,only extra stuff is a fiberglass subbox)


Thax Ill check the holes out!!

 

My guess is that they're installed wrong. There are 2 sides of the spring, a flat side and a not so flat side. They also have to be indexed properly in the bottom of the a-arm bucket. This is where I'd look first. This seems to be a common problem, so do a search for more info. But they do have to have a little time to settle too, so check into what I said and give it a little time.

Look on my rebuild page, link in my sig, for pics of how to properly index springs. Also make sure they are fully seated in the upper spring perch or that will "F" it up too.

Ed

 

ok the ruber on the pass side isnt seated at all its scewed to the side and the spring is riding on the outside of the rubbers

please someone ansewer quick cause im takieng the car down in 45 mins from now can we just remove those rubbers alltogether??????
or do they have to be there!!!!!!!!!

 

if the rubbers you are reffering to are the isolators i assume you need to keep them, or get new ones.

 

yep we just finished taking them out again (i desided to cut a half of a coil off too). So this time we took out the rubbers,,,taped them to the top of the springs (like it should of been done at first),,then reinstalled them with a bit of grease on the top to help them seat nicer. Now I have the perfect ride height I wanted.....thanks guys for the help!!

 

Get some pics posted of the dropzone springs installed. How much lower is the front now that you've cut off half a coil?

THose springs are pretty cheap - I'm hesitant to buy them..

 

Uhhh, why did you grease the springs? There's absolutely no reason to do that.

I've read these kinds of posts on this board so many times it's making my head spin. If you remove stock springs and install lowering springs, the car WILL SIT LOWER from the get go. "Let them settle" is fine for a stock to stock replacement, but not with lowering springs.

When I installed my Jamex lowering springs, the car was noticeably lower from the get-go. It also sat correctly from the moment it came off the jack.

What commonly seems to happen is that many people postion the spring on the A-arm first, then try to swing the assembly up into the frame pocket. You'll have a hard time getting the springs over the perch up inside the frame, and the car will sit higher in the front with the rear looking as if it's sagging.

The proper way to install the front springs is to position them up in the frame FIRST, then swing the A-arm up to meet the bottom of the spring. This way you ensure the springs seats properly in the frame.

I suspect you may still have a problem, but since you cut off a coil it's not noticeable.

 

Dude I dont use grease cause I feel like it?? I put it in there to help let the rubber(taped to the spring) slide into the cuped upper spring tower, It was binding on one side and making the rubber slide off to the side. It helped! Another good use for the grease is that when the spring IS seated you can see it being swirted out.

Whats the difference???? All springs are to sit right at first,,unless they are binding and not seating in the cup properly untill they wigle in and seat after a few good bumps driving (aka letting them settle).

I wasnt there to see how the guy put them in the first time, but I know he didnt tape the rubber to the spring and it slid off and binded up the spring from seating right.

It would be IMPOSSIABLE to place the spring on the a arm then swing it up (as you said some people do).

If you still think I have a problem,,,,what is it? I dont have any problem at all, my springs are seated properly now. No reason to get all dizzy here buddy.

 

I'll start by saying that I'm not trying to sling insults here. Just trying to offer some help.

If you look at your pics and your measurements you can see the font springs most likely did not get installed properly the first time. Those DropZone springs appear around 2"-3" shorter than the factory springs you removed. But when you compared measurements the rear was 3/4" lower and the front 1/8" higher. A bound up or misplaced spring rubber wouldn't lift the front end that high.

Based on your description it sounds like the front springs were not seated around the perches in the frame on the first install. Instead they were most likely resting against the bottom of the perch and that's what was causing the problem with the stance.

Well, it's not impossible. I know some people that have tried to install lowering springs on their car this way (an experienced mechanic I might add). When it was back together he complained of his car sitting similar to yours - front sitting noticeably higher than the rear. When he described how he went about installing the springs I explained where he went wrong. Once he re-installed the springs using the correct procedure all was well. His car then had the correct stance.

I didn't mean to come off sounding "dizzy". That's the problem with message boards - tones and intentions often get misinterpreted as insults. Again, that was not my intention. I just wanted to make sure you got your springs in correctly. It's all about having fun with our cars.

 

WOW! he snapped!...
hey how much lower did cutting a half coil off make the front sit?
Did you make sure the bottom of the spring was lined up where they are suppose to be on the A-arm?

 

BretD 88GTA - I did think you were giving me a bit of a hard time, the only reason I was a bit ticked in my post was because of your comment on the use of grease and that I still have a problem with my car. But, I know for sure this time every things ok. But after your last post I'm cool with everything now,,,Ive been around m.boards alot too and your right they can get out of hand, I understand! So Thanks for all your help Bret!

Wishmaster's87IROC - Yep the bottom is seated right too! Im not sure how much lower the car sits after just cutting 1/2 coil comparred to not having it cut. I didnt get a chance to see them in properly w/o the 1/2 of coil cut off....so all I can tell you that is low now!!! Maybe 1 1/4" or lower,,,but just a guess. Tomorow during the day Ill go out and measure it for sure,,,and get back to ya. I love it,,,I would never go any lower then that tho!

 

i am just asking so don't jump my a$$ but isn't cutting coils a real bad idea

 

hahaha
I dont think its that bad of an idea (especialy on a set of already lowered springs,,,just dont cut off too much (or youll get too harsh of a ride). And remeber the more you cut off the more your changing how your spring works.

I think its ok, but thats just my opinion. Lots of people are cool with it and lots arn't.......oh ya check out the other post around here on that topic if you havnt already see it?

 

Ya pics will come after snow calms down a bit there and I get the Z out. I would never pay the $450 (can) for a set of eibachs,,,,,(not saying I dont want a set, I'd just rather use that much money for a set of headers or something). The DZ cost about the same as Suspension Techniques springs. I like my DZ's so I dont mind,,,,,its not like Im racing my car or anything like that,,,and I dont care what name is on them,,,so I thought for 120us I could properly get my car lowered then I went for it. They are nice, but its your money so its up to you, of course!

 

pics and measurments are up at:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=160625