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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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who's gonna be 1st

to have an LS2 powered third gen

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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PACK QTY: 1 CORE CHARGE: $0.00
GM LIST: $7,500.00
OUR PRICE: $5,250.00
DESCRIPTION: LS2 CRATE ENGINE (400hp) 6.0 364cu.in. *(IN STOCK)*
This is the production 2005 LS2 corvette engine complete from intake to oilpan. This will not have a wiring harness nor ecm.
NOTE* Pulleys, serpentine belts, power steering pump, a/c pump, starter, alternator and engine covers are not included with this engine.

yeah right.. damn thing doesnt even come with any thing.. add another 3k to this, to get the wiring ECM and all the brackets and needed items




i did see one on ebay from a wrecked C6.. was going for 6k
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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was the wrecked c6 in california? I know a lady who crashed one's sister. I guess she can be the first to say she wrecked a c6
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 05:07 PM
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You probably won't see one until a few years from now. The Gen II and III swaps are becoming more and more affordable. You really don't see the Generals latest powerplants in anything less than magazine cars for the first few years. It was the same way with the LT1 and LS1.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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I bet their is one at the recyclers that I go to I remember they had a 2001 z06 with all of 17 miles on it this was when they first came out all it needed was bumpers and a hood and air bags they was saling it for $30K and it didn't have a salvaged title at least thats what they said
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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LS2....LS7 will be in Kitt after the lottery check comes in
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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The very small power advantages of an LS2 over an LS1/LS6 are not enough to warrant anyone spending triple the cost on an LS2 Crate engine, unless they are going to do it simply for "bragging" rights.

However, if anyone bragged to me about having their LS2, I'd show them that for what they paid just for the engine, I'll have completed my LS1 swap with mods, and will still whoop on them in a race. SO, there still won't be much for bragging about.

Give it 5 years. THEN the LS2 will become a popular swap.


EDITED:

As you can see by my profile, I have now officially entered the "1st to have a 3rd Gen LS2" race. Needed to buy a new shortblock with forged internals, and stumbled across a deal I couldn't pass up! Not JUST an LS2, but a 402ci stroker with all forged internals (I plan to add forced induction at some point in the future).

Except for situations like mine however, I still say that LS1 swaps using an engine from a wrecked car is MUCH more affordable than going out and buying a brand new LS2.

As to the LS7, it is gonna be damned expensive to get your hands on! You could do a heavily modded 346ci LS1/LS6 with forced induction and have as much or MORE power, for less money.

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by 89FormulaLS1


However, if anyone bragged to me about having their LS2/LS7, I'd show them that for what they paid just for the engine, I'll have completed my swap with mods, and will still whoop on them in a race. SO, there still won't be much for bragging about.

Although true, and I agree with you, a heads and cammed LS7 could make a very streetable 700hp. Boosted ones will be in the 7's. They have more adavatages than stock power ratings alone. The cool factor is also a lot higher.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 09:30 PM
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fwiw, there already is a ls2 swap started in a 3rd gen.....

ls2's arent hardly anymore then ls1. if i didnt already have my forged ls6 shortblock, i would of gone to a ls2.....
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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I wanna be first, but it ain't gonna happen
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by 89FormulaLS1
The very small power advantages of an LS2/LS7 over an LS1/LS6 are not enough to warrant anyone spending triple the cost on the engine, unless they are going to do it simply for "bragging" rights.

However, if anyone bragged to me about having their LS2/LS7, I'd show them that for what they paid just for the engine, I'll have completed my swap with mods, and will still whoop on them in a race. SO, there still won't be much for bragging about.

Give it 5 years. THEN the LS2 will become a popular swap.

other then the LS7 being 427 inches its just an LS2
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone Although true, and I agree with you, a heads and cammed LS7 could make a very streetable 700hp. Boosted ones will be in the 7's.
Perhaps, but the original question was about an LS2, and I believe an LS7 is going to cost a LOT more than an LS1.

Here is an excellent overview on the specs of an LS2.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by f-crazy
other then the LS7 being 427 inches its just an LS2
Thats a pretty big difference... especially on an engine design that uhh... sophisticated?

Thats 346ci VS 366ci VS 427ci.... the 427 (LS7) is gonna rape the 366 (LS2) and the 346 (LS1/LS6) every single time, no contest.
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 05:15 AM
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other then the LS7 being 427 inches its just an LS2
Well the above is true if you ignore that the LS7s have dry sump oiling, Ti Rods and valves, The highest flowing heads ever for a production GM vechicle, a redline of 7k, pressed in iron sleeves rather than cast in (could be a good thing could be a bad thing), A completely different and higher flowing intake, and lets not forget hand assembled. Id say comparing an LS7 to an LS2 is about as "apples to oranges: as it gets.

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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Air_Adam
Thats a pretty big difference... especially on an engine design that uhh... sophisticated?

Thats 346ci VS 366ci VS 427ci.... the 427 (LS7) is gonna rape the 366 (LS2) and the 346 (LS1/LS6) every single time, no contest.

Originally posted by Chris B
Well the above is true if you ignore that the LS7s have dry sump oiling, Ti Rods and valves, The highest flowing heads ever for a production GM vechicle, a redline of 7k, pressed in iron sleeves rather than cast in (could be a good thing could be a bad thing), A completely different and higher flowing intake, and lets not forget hand assembled. Id say comparing an LS7 to an LS2 is about as "apples to oranges: as it gets.

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LOL comon guys, im sure youve both have read some of my posts...so you know im not some teenage know it all lol...maybe i should of left the in there....i was being sarcastic as to what 89formulaLs1 said about the LS7 being overpriced...maybe just the stock motor itself...swap out the cam and your talking 650 hp....you tell me how many 427 smallblocks you can build with 650 ponies for the price of that....how many companies make titanuim rods?.....i bet it will be under 10 grand (i can get a brand new crate LS6 for 3,500 bucks becasue my parents have 32 years working for GM and they get 40% off parts)....then a 300 dollar cam will make another 100-150 HP.....
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by pskel350
fwiw, there already is a ls2 swap started in a 3rd gen.....
Who's doing that? Someone on these boards?
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by 89FormulaLS1
Perhaps, but the original question was about an LS2, and I believe an LS7 is going to cost a LOT more than an LS1.

Here is an excellent overview on the specs of an LS2.
You can already buy Ls7. There called C5-R motors. they are quiet expensive for the block but you can buy them. The Corvette Lamans Team has been running them for I think 2 maybe 3 years now
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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No, the C5-R and the LS7 are two different things. Similar, yes, but different.
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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Just out of curiosity how are they different?
FYI Ls2 intakes are not better then ls6 intakes. Just for any one who is curious.
Oh looking at some ls2 parts today.
Cam sensor is now in timming chain cover
Knock sensors are on the outside of the block simmilar to SBC but there are two.
I cant wait to get our ls2 motor back from TPIS then I can really look it over

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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 11:30 PM
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I'll look up the specs and compare the C5-R and LS7 in a few days (I'm away on vacation right now, don't have access to all my reference material).

For what it is worth, check out my profile and re-read my earlier post (just edited) - there's been a change in my plans.
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