rfoster23g

so i have 1991 firebird and i have been trying to get my headlights to pop up i checked the convenience center the fuss were good but i replaced them anyway i know the gears are good because i can raise them manually and the lights work flawlessly except they don't popup by themselves what else can i check also i don't hear anything at all when i put my ear up to the moters while someone flips the switch

FRMULA88

After you raise the lights manually.... and you turn them on... will they close when you shut them off?

if so then you need to check the wiring to the headlight motors.

bad ground wire possibly or corroded connectors..

rfoster23g

no they wont go down either the switch basically just turns on the lights now

FRMULA88

power is still getting to the lights.. the wiring for head lights and motors are bundled in the same harness green wire with black stripe or white stipe.. and black wire I believe. and a gray wire with black stripe.

The healdlight / motor relay is a box on the firewall.. next to the power brake booster... black rectangle can't miss it..

from this box the wiring should is plugged in and bundled in a harness at the subframe next to the steering shaft, from there is goes to the front end.

if you disconnect this box the ligths should not come on...

Mine is 25 years old & still works but I did loose a headlight motor this year.. the nylon gear wore out.. they make rebuild kits for the motors..

if your controllor box is bad,,, you may have to special order at parts house or try Hawks or other 3rd gen online site. check the connecters & wires first.

rfoster23g

so i started disconnecting the things i thought were the headlight modules but o disconnected the two in the front but the headlights came on with both of them so im at a loss also i could not get the last one out on the side i don't know if that is the headlight module

rfoster23g

bump

FRMULA88

I don't see the box...

FRMULA88

It should be a black rectangular box... between wiper motor and brake booster..

FRMULA88

like this

rfoster23g

sorry i have been at work for the last couple days but i am about to go out and look i will post a picture if i find it.
ps: nice car man that thing is beautiful

rfoster23g

im guessing i don't have it at all because theirs two loose wires there where yours are

rfoster23g

since i dont have it do you know where i could buy it

FRMULA88

Aha,,, green wire with white stripe... if you trace that harness you will see it heads toward the headlight motors...


There are plenty of third gen parts vendors online. you can find a new old stock or secondhand piece.

Or a the junk yard.

Autoparts store, be prepared for mind numbing experience.

What happened to the original part? you bought the car likes this?

carattini

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/pict...ictureid=41119

FRMULA88

the module is missing from his car... but thanks for posting the wiring diagram

JJ63

iTrader: (1)

I saw that you checked the convenience center for a blown fuse. The motors have a seperate fuse holder hidden under the dash to the right of the steering wheel.

rfoster23g

thanks for all the help guys and ya i bought the car without it the guy lied to me telling me it was a fuse but you live and learn i guess but do you think autozone has it if they do could you give me a part number so i don't have to go through the mind numbing experience lol

FRMULA88

Try Hawks or some other online vendor that specializes in 3rd gen parts.

The new part is available but this is not cheap...

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/pr...ht-Module.html

try contacting him to see if you can buy a used one.. or check on Ebay....


Why do POs have to BS their way thru a sale? if a part is missing or broken why not just be upfront about it ?! He probably borrowed the box for another project or he bought it that way and too lazy/cheap to fix it..

You were screwed out of 300 $ because if you knew about this issue you could have negociated the purchase price... a bit too late now


I also don't see the mounting bracket for the module on your firewall.. man he screwed you really good !

rfoster23g

ya he did bad not to mention the exhaust fell off two weeks ago so thats 300 bucks and now i cant drive it becuase it wont pass emmissons

mmadden55

Easy fix really. Get a couple of spintech or Dynamax or flowtech low restriction cats, come off the manifolds into your cats glass pack and dump in front of the rear wheels. low restriction legal beagle. Buy the packs and cats online or at the auto parts store and go to any independent exhaust shop and they can build the sytem for you.

mmadden55

http://www.jegs.com/p/Dynomax/Walker...itemPerPage=30

LostX

iTrader: (1)

i have a headlight module from a 90 firebird that works. Took it out of a 1990 parts car. It should fit 90-92. Message me if your interested in it i can ship it.