Doward

Well guys, it's time.

I've finally heard back from all the suppliers, and everything's ready for the turbo group purchase.

Kit Includes:
1) ALL PIPING - Intake and Exhaust, from the manifolds to the catalytic convertor, and from the air filter to the throttle body.

2) All gaskets/couplings needed for that (including a full intake gasket set)

3) 30lbs/hr Accell hi impedence fuel injectors

4) a 21x12x3" super hi-flow intercooler (flows 1200cfm with only a 1.5psi drop)

5) 1 T3/T4 57 trim hybrid, .63 A/R turbine

6) 1 38mm wastegate @ 6psi

7) 1 recirculating BOV

8) 1 totally reprogrammed, drop in ECM chip

9) Full oil feed/return, -3an and -10an, respectively. Stainless braided lines!

10) Turbo bracketry, and intercooler bracketry

11) Gauge pod + Boost/vacuum gauge

The entire kit is ceramic coated, runs 6psi out of the box. The kit itself will support up to 14psi, with a reprogrammed chip - you will be able to go 9-10 on the chip included, though

AS OF RIGHT NOW, the kit is '86-89 MAF based 2.8s only. I'm still working on the '730 conversion - it will be a $230 option for the 2.8 guys, and that will allow the 90-92 3.1 SD guys run, too.

What can you expect? +100rwhp AND +140rwtq

Base price - $2900.

Payment methods - pretty much PayPal, or send a check/Money Order. Only problem, is PayPal's wonderful freakin' 2.9% charge!

Anyone paying through PayPal, the cost will be $3030.

Shipping will be $130, insured, for EVERYTHING.

So $3110 through PayPal (preferred) for 100rwhp and 140rwtq, with a spring change for even more power!

Just about everything you see on the list is able to be changed to whatever you want! Example, you want a T61, let me know - add $275, and you get a T61, with your kit built for that turbo.

If you've got a certain boost gauge you want, let me know, and just pay the difference, and so on.

Now the bad news - I have to have a MINIMUM OF 10 PURCHASES IN ORDER FOR THIS TO GO THROUGH. I've got a mandrel bender and CNC machinist ready to go, but the cutoff date is March 31st!

I'm officially starting this group purchase today, February 12th, and it will run until March 31st.

We have to have 10 purchases for this by then. This may be your ONE and ONLY chance to get a turbo kit - I don't think I'll be making any more after this is done (I can not BELIEVE the difference between doing 10 kits at once, and just doing a single kit!!) So get in NOW!

PayPal to Doward@***.net ($3110)
MO/Check to -

John Doward ($3030)
PO Box 475
Anthony, FL
32617

Any questions? Concerns? Comments? If you need your order altered in any way, just PM me with what exactly you want, and I'll let you know the difference!

Feb 12th - Mar 31st
Minimum 10 purchases
Kits upgradeable, just PM me with what you want
Spread the word

I expect to have the 3.1 guys ready by the middle of March

Here's something to give you an idea of what to expect -





*EDIT* I was able to score a $50 reduction per set, on the wastegate! I'm still trying to squeeze the suppliers, guys.

So far interested:

1) eric17422001
2) roland
3) hockeyplyr70
4) hockeyplyr70 (yeah, he wants 2 of them )
5) Brandon (local guy )

*EDIT 2*
ALSO - If anyone wants just the piping (as it's the only part that's got the time constraints in this kit) it'll be $580, shipped!

That will not include the flanges, that way you can put whatever turbo you'd like on there, at your own time.

Added another pic (FINALLY FOUND IT) - See my 'update' thread for how close this is to the real deal

Gumby

The word is out man.
Better call your bank and tell them to make room.

Loot commin

viper04af

hey i don't know if you know
ut if the person paying uses paypal and send the payment as a E-CHECK the paypal fee is only 5 bucks.

only bad thing is it works just like a check and take about 4-5 days to clear but the fee is not there

Doward

I believe it is based on the money being RECEIVED, not when you send it... Paypal may charge you 5 bucks when you send it, but I still get charged 2.9% + $0.30 when I receive it

On the topic of PayPal payments... if you are sending the payment in multiple installments, then PM me FIRST - so that I can keep track of who has sent what amount!

86birdHT

iTrader: (1)

hey man ill send you a plymouth acclaim for a set jk...too bad this would be a PITA to install on my carbed setup

Doward

Blow thru carb?

86birdHT

iTrader: (1)

dude im having too much trouble getting my choke to work properly to even think about a turbo kit :/ im about to just toss the bird into the shop to be fixed

Doward

Here's an idea... if you guys are only wanting any certain pieces, let me know, and I'll see what we can do

V8 Slayer

Damnit I'd love to buy it...but $3100 by the end of March...Sounds Rough..

Doward

I know it's not easy, but that's why I let everyone know back in January, and had hoped tax season would help everyone out

duranged

hey doward, what if i wanted everything for the kit except the turbo,wastgate,inter cooler and blooff valve, like i said i can't swing the whole 3g but i might be able to swing somewhere between 1500 to 2g if i sell my 88 kawasaki ninja, if not is there any way u would be willing to thrhow a kit together with out the aformentioned parts from time to time when time permits? i followed your development since i joined the board last year and i fully support the idea of a turbo'd 60* engine ,and would be more than happy to run one of your kits on project "badbird" if i could afford it, plus the publicity the kit would get as i do plan on running the car at the new dragstrip that is possibly being brought to connecticut.

Doward

$1495 for the kit minus turbo/wastegate/intercooler/blow off valve.

WhitePower

This seems like a really well thought out and fabricated kit. The only problem is the avg. 3rd gen V6 car costs less than the turbo kit. Unless someone has a lot of $ (highly unlikely if they're driving a V6 3rd gen) then they're not going to spend $3000 on a turbo kit.

Place your bets... This GP is going nowhere.

P.S. Just a little insight from a business perspective.

duranged

wrong there, i know quite a few people who have good money and a v6 f body, and as a matter of fact i was one of the until jan i was bringing home on average 1100-1500 a week and right now if i rreally wanted to be less sensible i would dip into my savings and buy the kit right now, but seeing as i have a fiance' and 2 kids i am not doing that, as i do not know if i will be back top work before april. as for your comment on busuniess sense, think about it, supply and demand, there is practically no supply for this until doward came around so if he had the time to market and produce his kits ,i guarrantee you that within 6 months he would start making a profit , which is damn good for a small business, especially if he advertised in high performance pontiac magazine and other publications, and his profits would go threw the roof if his product was in summit, jegs, and year on next gen, i mean the guy has done what companies like vortech and paxton have failed to do which is bring real HP numbers to the 60* v6's damn people and their pecimism any one that talks like that is not a true v6 follower in my book, i fart in your general direction sir!!! and doward, keep up the good work , you give people like me with a v6 hope for some respectable HP and TQ numbers my friend.

SSC

Well not to get into a flame war here.

Anyone can do a quick search in the V6 fourm and find 10,000+ threads asking "how do I get more power."

D & V have steped up to the plate, made a product thats puts a V6 up to V8 power numbers without the hassle of a V8 swap. Many TPI guys dumped that much money into thier engines for less of a gain then this kit will produce. If I had a 2.8/3.1/3.4, Id be very interested. It does bother me that I dont see many people willing to make thier cars fast.

LinuxGuy

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Yes, they've done some great work! After all these years, a turbo kit for the 60 degree V6 ThirdGen F-Body!
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if most people have talked to Doward directly about the turbo kit rather than through the V6 board. I know that I myself have spoken with him on the issue of a cut-down kit (and may have to cut a few more things out if March goes sour). I am certainly interested, I just wish I could say "I'll buy one" for certain (100hp extra sounds great). My '89 Camaro is a great car and feel like a turbo could be a blast, but I've have a very bad financial year, and am not sure what I can come up with in the span of a month...

Doward: I look forward to seeing those pictures once you've got them up!

Doward

Well, I'm clearing my schedule for 2 days in the next 4-5 days, so yeah - here's hoping for a nice new pic parade for it!!

As of now, I've got 8 people interested - but nobody's paid up yet (not a problem, seeing as how we've still got over a full month for more people) - and one guy picking up TWO kits.

I think that's a good deal, too - 1/2 the price of the full turbo kit - and you still get all the fabrication done - just add turbo, intercooler, wastegate, and blow off valve - and away you go!

Something else - if you aren't worried about the chip/fuel injectors right away, then you're looking at...


*drum roll*

$2900 - Full Kit (For anyone wanting it all at once)
$1495 - Full Kit minus hard parts - Turbo/IC/WG/BOV (for the guys that can get deals on the expensive parts)
$1265 - Kit minus hard parts, and minus fuel injectors/ecu chip (for you guys waiting a while until they get the engine done)

The fabrication part is the ONLY think sticking us right now - I've got to have 10 mandrel orders by march 31st. For under $1300, you can get everything you need to turbo the car - just add turbo and accessories!

RTFC

Knowing what the TTA does and its reputation in the 80's hotrod world, I would love to buy Dowards turbo kit if I could- but I can't only due to Calif Smog Inspection laws.

The N/A motor I am building is costing twice more and will produce slightly less HP than if I could simply bolt on a turbo.
But I can't due to visual inspections

vortex

You bring up a good point RTFC, This kit, as it routes piping the way it does, requires the removal of the smog pump, therefore is not emissions states legal, and for legal reasons we must say that it is for offroad use only.. so slap on the boggers, its muddin time. Also the kits are to be used on excellent condition engines, as the last thing we need is someone coming back at us for a 300K engine not holding even 6 psi.
Not to sound like a ponce about all of this, but in the interest of business, we dont wanna lose our asses trying to help people.
cheers!

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

are u guys gonna warrenty your parts or anything? for example: if something we got in the package was damaged or didnt work correctly?

Doward

Absolutely! I'm not about to send out garbage - what Vortex is saying, is that the buyer needs to use some discresion - installing a turbocharger on a car with rod knock is seriously not going to end well for that motor (eh, TechSmurf? *wink wink*)

The turbo is warrantied for 6 months, as long as you don't do anything to damage it - if you run 6 months and don't change your oil, I mean... be resonable!

But if you install everything correctly, get about 4 miles down the road, and it pukes on you, then yes, we're going to do everything we can to take care of you

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

6months? for everything? thats not too bad

Doward

Yeah, I'm just passing along whatever warranty I can wrangle for the parts

kretos

do you think there would be any way of maybe offering something like this gp later on down the road?

or selling the specs on everything so we could have it made?

Doward

I honestly can't gaurantee another GP down the road... I doubt I'd have the time to. And I'm getting cut a really good deal on the parts for this group purchase - for a single kit, I'd be looking at $3500 to $3700

I might turn the plans or whatever over to Turbonetics or Edelbrock, if they are interested in buying them, though

TechSmurf

Hey.. my bottom end is completely intact, thankyouverymuch... granted with my oil pressure the way it is, if I were driving her regularly, or if the valve seals weren't so shot that she actually ran on 6 cylinders, that might be a different story.

91greenbird

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i will have enough money by august to by the turbo kit, will they still be avaible for my 3.1 buy august?

also how much would it cost to have one of these baby's installed?

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

just an fyi...if your trying to sell kits for 3000 dollars. i bet im not the only person that wants to see pictures of this product.

Doward

I can't give a yes or no to the August thing.. probably not, though

Installation fee? Probably $150-$300, depending on where you take it, I'd think...

7Plagues, I'm working on the pictures And yes, I understand wanting to see it - hey, we've got a month before the deadline, right?

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

true and im so glad for that. give me more ops. to get more cash. this is really on my mind. unless something screws me over

Doward

Ok, I'm still working on setting up a time to get with the ceramic coater, and get some pictures of the kit...

I've had a small snag, though - The supplier I'm getting the intercoolers from, needs a 20% downpayment on the intercoolers, in order for me to have ready by April 1st.

So I'm asking that all ordering kits, go ahead and send in a partial (or complete, if you wish) payment on the kits - I don't have the $650 I need to make sure there's not a Tiago-style 'hold up due to suppliers'

A partial payment of $175 is perfectly fine.

Also, are there any other names I need to add to the 6 I have from here? I've got one guy locally, so we've got 7 so far.

eric17422001

How about items #1,#4 and #10 on your list? Pipework, intercooler and all bracketry for the above- I can work with the rest of it.

It seems I have to pay a small amount in taxes this year, my daughter decided not to be born until 12:33 PM new year's day instead of 11:59PM New year's eve so I don't get that deduction....I had a long talk with her about why daddy can't get a turbo kit, she's 2 months old now so I think guilt should work on her.

Doward

1, 4, and 10 would run you... $875 + s/h (approx $65)

Congrats on the kid tho!! Guilt might work for now... but she'll grow out of it very quickly

Doward

ALSO - If anyone wants just the piping (as it's the only part that's got the time constraints in this kit) it'll be $580, shipped!

That will not include the flanges, that way you can put whatever turbo you'd like on there, at your own time

V8 Slayer

Sorry to invade your turbo thread Doward but,When do you think those TB/CAI Kits will be available if you decide to make them?

Doward

Depends... the turbo kits are taking ALL my time right now - next on my list is the intake/throttle bodies - I've built my own turbo kit for higher rpm power

RBob

iTrader: (1)

Do the exhaust pipes run over or under the K-member? Looking forward to the pic's.

RBob.

vortex

under the k-member.. the first prototype we had wasn't with the control arms at extension, so we had issues, but the new design tucks up nicely with no engine torque clanging and doward has drop springs and no speed bump/turtle killer problems.. you do lose a little ground clearance, but you shouldnt have any problems with clearance unless you are using a radical airbag suspension.
damn, i know we have some progressional turbo pics on this site, hate to say it like this, but please search, ive looked all over for em, and damned if i know where they are, so many tubo threads... if you wanna remember the horror of what we started with, search 'turbo chronicles' there are many other threads started by doward, me (usualy doward under my name), and others that we've provided pics for.. and yes, the new and improved beautimous finale' pics are coming soon, so save your pennies for the kits! which we still need more volunteers for the group purchase price, we dont expect money transfer until you see pics, but just let us know if you're seriously interested so you can get the better price.

cheat comandos, rock rock on!

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

so when are u goin to get pics of this kit you are trying to sell for 3000dollars?

Doward

Added.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Doward, good luck my man. You've certainly come a long way with all this stuff

Brazen

Ok... so how much is the kit with the FL resident discount? ;]
Jim

Doward

Florida resident? $2900 on the dot I'm not taxing anyone for it, and you won't have to deal with shipping

Matter of fact, I'd probably even install it for ya

Brazen

heh.... we can make my car a "demo" unit.... take it to the track and let goons make a test pass. ;] I'll hold off on reconstructing the front end now...
Jim

Doward

So are you number 6 on the list?

V8 Slayer

Doward if you dont get enough buyers and need to give them away.send one my way

91greenbird

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me too ill take one off your hands

TechSmurf

If Doward doesn't get enough buyers, the pipes simply won't be produced unless he pulls off some serious negotiating with the shop performing the bends. Unfortunately this is a fairly all or nothing situation. At the moment, it appears to be a strong nothing, and the GP closes this thursday.

theratdude64

Can anyone show how that goes on the car? Pictures, doodle... anything. Ive been staring at it for a while and I cant figure it out

Doward

It goes under the crossmember.

Techsmurf, so far eric is the only one that's gotten back to me, from the boards. This really doesn't look good, at all.