SS ninja

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Hi guys,

I'm finally getting around to installing the FIRST setup that I bought in the last group purchase, and I'm a little confused as to how I should set up the throttle cable. I've currently got a 89-92 style cable (The one with the end shaped like a "T"), and I have no clue as to how it would hook up to the FIRST throttle body.

I called up Ken from FIRST and he told me that I could buy something that would make my throttle cable compatible, but didn't give me any more info than that, so I'm not really sure what he's talking about and he hasn't replied to my last email about that yet.

What are you guys using for a throttle cable with this intake?

glock

WOW thats good customer service

SS ninja

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Ken did email me back with this:

Can anyone expand on this with a picture or two of what you did to resolve this issue? I'm not really sure what cable end he's suggesting that I replace my TPI throttle cable end with...maybe a 85-88 cable would work better?

73duster

i'd like to see what you are talking about. I'm getting a 383 with first fuel intake soon and i want to know if i'm going to have issues as well. I was under the impression that everything would bolt in. I have a 91 z28.

SS ninja

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Well, I'm in the middle of figuring this out myself as it seems like no one else on here has yet installed a FIRST...(Or they just don't care to help?)


The throttle body linkage from FIRST has two holes:

One looks to be 1/4" and is at the top. The other is 3/16" and is at the bottom.

The smaller one seems to be for the throttle cable, and I think that I'll be able to make everything work with an 85-88 cable as that uses an eyelet to hook onto the TB. I just need to find a stud to slip through there for the cable to bolt onto.


Same with the larger hole; I need to figure out what size stud to use so I can hook up my TV cable.


Neither of these are showstoppers, but it would have been nice to include these with the kit considering how much you pay for the thing!

jamieschott

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I am in the middle of install as well. I am stumped , for now, with the throttle hookup. I tried an edelbrock throttle stud ( 8009) and wire stops. Im not particularly happy with the setup, so i am gonna try napa and see what they have tomorrow.

on a different note... How is the cruise control hooked...same way as throttle, im assuming?

SS ninja

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I've got two studs on order from a local Mom and Pop parts place that I hope will work. I've also ordered an 85-88 throttle cable since that seems like it would work better than the 89-92 throttle cable I've currently got in the car.

I'll keep you updated on my results. Seems like we're the one two people actually installing this thing?

jamieschott

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In my search today for something to connect my throttle cable, i found a Universal throttle cable kit made by Spectre, part number 2431.

I found this particular one at Pep Boys, but i am sure it can be found or ordered at any of the Part stores ( Auto Zone, Advanced, or Checkers O Reillys) The price tag was like 24.99 IIRC. In the pics below you will see what i plan to use from this kit. the stud and the cable end. The cable end has a "hole" for the cable to slide through and an allen head set screw to secure the cable. Then the end will slide over the stud and then be cotter pinned to the stud. Sure seems to me like it will work for the throttle cable.

I hope to have this bad boy running tomorrow after 2 weeks in the on post AutoCraft shop swapping the 305 TBI to this monster 383 FIRST injected machine. I hope everything goes well tomorrow!!

SS ninja

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Cool, thanks for the update! Let me know how the install goes, and post up more pictures when you get the chance.

So are you going to keep the stock 89-92 throttle cable then?

I'm still waiting on the studs I ordered from the auto parts store, so I'll post up once I get them in and try to make them work with the throttle body.

jamieschott

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i will be using the 89-92 cable. i had already cut the barrel off trying to use the first idea i had. I believe this new set up will work so much better and will look better than just using regular old wire stops.

TPIEM240Z

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I used what I believe was the spectre universal throttle cable kit on mine. It was already being used with my carb setup and all I had to do was hook it up to the bottom hole of the throttle on the throttle body. I say believe because I hooked the carb up a couple years ago. THe kit had the usual carb brackets in it, a cable and the clamps and bolts to hook it up if that helps. It should work nicely for you. Since I am running AN steel braided hoses and a totally non-stock setup (purpose built autocross car), I had to slightly bend the lower arm of the throttle (right where I hooked up the cable) to clear my hose.

-Mark

Gunny Highway

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This is highly annoying. I thought that this kit was to be about as much of a direct bolt on as something could.

The fact that he can't even supply something as simple as a throttle cable that works for the price you pay for the kit, nor does he discuss on his website about this issue, tells me that this product may be more of a pain in the rear than he leads us to believe.

"Our FIRST® fuel injection multi point fuel injection kits (MPFI) are now available with GM based electronics which include all required sensors, fuel pump with mounting hardware, computer, quality custom AFI harness, 1 programmed prom for your application, any size injectors, distributor, all required gaskets, all stainless steel hardware, throttle cable bracket, TPS bracket, & fuel rails."

"This is a throttle/detent cable bracket that is designed to work with the FIRST® manifold. It is made of 304 stainless steel and is designed to be used with standard GM cables or any aftermarket cables. The cost is $22.50 and it comes with all required mounting hardware."

SS ninja

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I agree somewhat. Nothing is ever truly "bolt-on" in my experience, which is why I'm not getting too frustrated over this, although I'm still waiting for those studs I ordered from a local parts place.

Still, you think that for over $800 they could toss in two studs for the TV and throttle cables...

Gunny Highway

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Any update on this guys?

SS ninja

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Hey guys, sorry about the lack of an update, but I didn't find a solution until now.

The two studs I had on order at the local shop never came in, so after two weeks I bit the bullet and just bought them from Summit.


Here's what I ended up doing:


I bought this stud for the TV cable, which fit without any problem:

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku


I also bought this 1/4" stud:

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku



If you hog out the hole in the TB linkage with a drill bit just under 1/4" in size and do the same to a 85-88 throttle cable, it'll work with this stud. You then use the supplied clip to hold the cable in place on the stud.


I can grab pictures later on if anyone is interested.


On a side note, I also had to shim the TPS away from the supplied bracket a little bit as it was too close to the linkage on that side and was causing the linkage to bind.

Gunny Highway

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I would love to see some pics of this. Now what about the cruise control? . . . any issues with that?

It still irritates the crap out of me that something as stupid, yet essential as the throttle cable, is such a pain in the *** requiring some sort of jerry rigging.

jamieschott

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I have mine working, but NO cruise control YET!!

I am waiting for my speed shop to do there thing to get me tuned and as soon as that happens I ll have dyno numbers on my Blueprinted 383 crate motor.

When i get some time i will post a thread describing my install with PICS and hopefully some video of dyno run, if not some street runs at least.

SS ninja

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I removed cruise control from my car, so I can’t help you with that one, sorry.

Here’s a couple of pictures:

Gunny Highway

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Did you have the same issues with the throttle cable?

jamieschott

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yes i did. i used a universal throttle cable kit from Spectre, bought at Pep Boys. If you look at this thread you should see pics of what i did. I will start a new thread outlining what i did when i swapped from the 305 tbi to this beast i have now

Gunner823

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There is mention on the site about a special order thermostadt housing. but I can't find on the site where you would purchase this seperately. do the T-stat housings that come on F-bodies not work?

Also, I have an 88 T/A. What exactly am I going to need to do to get the throttle cable to work right? buy that universal kit from pep boys, the special cable bracket that FIRST sells, both?

SS ninja

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The TPI thermostat won't work. I bought a swivel one from Summit:

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku

and then used a universal flexible radiator hose.


Since you have an 88, you can use your throttle cable and the throttle stud I linked to above. (Here's the link: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku )

You just need to widen the hole on both the cable and the throttle linkage a tiny bit. Better than chopping off the end of the cable and using the pep boys kit in my opinion.

The throttle cable bracket comes with the kit by the way, so you don't need to pay extra for it.

SS ninja

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Oh, and I started my car up last night!


I haven't set the timing or TPS yet, but I wanted to check for leaks since I had some spare time after work. It fired up and idled no problem, so all's looking good so far.

Gunner823

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Thanks for the info. I have read all the threads on here I can find, extensively. I think I am going to pull the trigger and get one. BatSS gained half a second with his over his old setup that is very close to what I am currently running; that's motivation enough for me