86camaroZ

Alright guys, I've been reading lots, just confused as to how to set up my hardware!

This is where I'm at now, the ecm already had a Hypertech in it.



And I Think This is where I need to be.



Questions

Should I use the hypertech or the stock blue chip I found?

If i need to connect my memory adapter to the ecm with hypertech chip or blue one on it, its not going to happen, no clearance on the ecm.... i'm really confused where these pins and sockets go guys (a picture with where the cables go would help ALOT!)


Side note: when I pulled out the ecm i noticed its from another car, the sticker says 01227165. And someone wrote on it 92 Z which doesnt make any sense when looking at the table below and numbers are printed on it.... so im thinking its not from a 92Z...confused. I guess it doesnt matter so long as my equipment works with it.

https://www.thirdgen.org/promintro
ECM, EPROM, and Calibration reference Year (TPI eng.) 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990-1992
ECM Type C3 P4 P4 P4 P4 P4
ECM ID 1226870 1227165 1227165 1227165 1227165 1227730
EPROM Type 2732 27C128 27C128 27C128 27C128 27C256
BIN Size 4Kb 16Kb 16Kb 16Kb 16Kb 32Kb
Mask (Calibration) $1F $32 $32B $32B $6E $8D
Engine Management MAF MAF MAF MAF MAF Speed Density
Baud Rate 160 8192 8192 8192 8192 8192
MemCal No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Bare
EPROM Yes No No No No No

Saar

yeah, that doesn't look like a 1227730... it does however look like a 1227165...

and from the things i've read from moates.net, you'll need to pull the blue cover off of the MEMCAL to get it to fit in the ECM.

86camaroZ

I did.... maybe im missing something?? The memcal needs about a millimeter or 2 more and it will fit in there fine. Might i have to saw open the ecm box a bit to make this work? Im just confused where all this plugs into, just need to plug then play. Ive been reading all the intro stuff for hours and know some good stuff for when i get connected, but this hardware is confusing!!

juanillox8

iTrader: (7)

ok ok ok what chip are u putting on????? jet or another hyper tech u got me lost

juanillox8

iTrader: (7)

the blue chip its the prom U CANT remove that one withou it ur ecm wont work

86camaroZ

well now i'm confused! could someone please take a picture or find one how i am suppose to set this up? Might need to call craig moates tomorrow... gdamnit.

I've got cables running everywhere lol

In my first post, pic 2, that is suppose to plug into my ECM correct? But it cant clear my ECMs case with memcal blue chip attached. Yes i took the cover off the memcal and still no worky/clearance.

juanillox8

iTrader: (7)

ooooohhh ok i get u now... insert the blue end first it goes inside ur ecm

juanillox8

iTrader: (7)

86camaroZ

I did man, its like soooo close, but yeah, even tried without it on the adapter and it wont fit inside the ECM box, so thats impossible. Maybe I'm doing this wrong lol

If i ever get that in, then i'd take the ALDL ribbon and put that on the Adapter, then put my fresh chip in the slot on top of the prom reader itself?

Thats it for tonight.

Thanks guys.

Duts87ss

iTrader: (10)

Here is a link from Moates site on how to install the adatper with MemCAL attached.

http://support.moates.net/2008/10/31/g1/

86camaroZ

Thank you.

I am doing this right, will have to hack the case on my ecm

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

No hacking required....

It WILL fit, with a bit of a twist and a little push.

Barring that you can remove the top have of the ECM case, install the MEMCAL and adaptor, then re-install the top half of the case. I've it this way when I wanted to leave the blue cover on the MEMCAL.

Also when you're using the Auto Prom (to emulate), there should not be an EPROM installed in the EPROM socket of the Auto Prom.

Also, is the stock MEMCAL for YOUR car, same engine and tranny, then yes I would use that, if not, then if the car was running on the other MEMCAL, that would be the one to use.

86camaroZ

Is this going to be okay on the car floor? And is the ALDL inserted correctly?

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

Ummm, why wouldn't you put the case back on?

BTW, I think you're refering to the EMU cable there, The "ALDL" cable is what connects to the underdash "ALDL connector".

86camaroZ

um...ok... so thats called the ribbon cable then? is the red wire facing the correct direction because i keep getting the error, ALDL cable not connected.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

*sigh*

Like I said, the ALDL cable is the one that attacahes to your ALDL connector under the dash. If this cable is not connected AND proper settings defined in your tuning/logging program to use, you will get that error.

Yes, the EMU cable or "ribbon cable" is installed the correct way. The red stripe goes towards the end of the EPROM socket that would have pin #1.

DENN_SHAH

iTrader: (1)

to see what the ALDL connector on your car looks like, go here,
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...ggestions.html
in post #2 by me is a picture of one.

check that you have TunerPro set to AutoProm.
in TunerPro go to "Tools" and then "Preferences" then click the ALDL/Emulation tab and find "Interface Type" and set it to AutoProm if it isn't already.
also, the switches on the AutoProm need to be set properly.
for data logging when doing real time emulation, set both switches to their in board positions.
hook up your laptop to the AutoProm. plug in the ALDL cable to both the ALDL port on your car and the AutoProm. turn on your laptop.
start TunerPro, it should see the hardware.
now select the bin you want to use and upload it to the AutoProm with the up arrow.
turn the ignition key on and hit "connect", thats the 2 arrows pointing left and right. if everything is working, you should get data.
like Shooter said, do not have a chip in the AutoProm when you have the ribbon cable hooked up.
before doing real time emulation, turn off screen saver, hibernation and anything else that could make your laptop go to sleep.

for help on making and saving a data log, go here and read post #6
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...t-datalog.html

86camaroZ

Sorry guys, I'm new to this and not that great with computers..
This helped me a lot, finally got it to read the ALDL, connect to the auto prom, and make the software say emulating. The only problem was that the fuel pump would not prime or turn on with everything connected... So i plugged back in my hypertech to the ecm and the car started and ran fine. So no data logged yet. Baby steps here.

86camaroZ

How exactly do I get a Bin onto my TP RT? I would like to get one from my hypertech chip or find one here http://www.moates.net/files.php under the stock binaries but dunno which to get.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

To read your existing chip/EPROM you will need an EPROM programmer. Then once saved correctly, you can view it in TP RT, with the use of the proper XDF.

86camaroZ

I searched and found this

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...rieve-bin.html

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...-starting.html < none of the links work anymore here

So i can retrieve it through the ALDL cable then. Last night i Tried those arrow keys in TP to retrieve the bin but it didnt seem to work.

I suppose i need one of these ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/pub/gmecm/bin_...%206E%2094/6E/

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

In some ECMs it is possible to pull the bin trough the ALDL, but it is easiest to do it with a programmer.

86camaroZ

now i need a xdf.... I love how APU1 came with a 7 step quick start instructions... lies.

Saar

just because you didn't research exactly what you needed before hand doesn't make Craig or his team liars....

and it's not like XDFs are hard to find, or even cost anything...

86camaroZ

I know. Just got frustrated. Seems like I was making progress than I find myself 2 steps back again :/ Confused where to find the right one and how to import it. I'll call Craig tomorrow and see if he can synch onto my computer and load what i need.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

Wow, really?

Get a live tech session just so that a file can be opened?

It doesn't get much easier than save XDF to file/HDD/desktop/etc>"Open XDF">browse to where XDF is saved>click on it>"open".

If you rely on other people for the basic/simple things like this, then performing the actual tuning is going to be hell. Learn to do the basics for yourself and then you'll be better armed for making actual changes and improving your car.

Craig Moates

No worries,

Shoot me a call tomorrow and I'll see what I can do to get you going. It can be confusing at first, but once you get it figured out and understand how it all ties together, it's not too bad.

I talk folks through it all the time, it's not a problem. Before you know it, you'll be explaining it to other people and wondering why they can't figure it out more quickly

Hope this helps,
Craig

86camaroZ

Big props to Craig for getting me going!