Black89Z51

***HEADS ARE SOLD***

88FormulaF_Bomb

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Pm me or call 219-628-4836

Tuned Performance

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Hello mr Bryan! please reply to my personal message about the cylinder heads? The valve guides are completly wasted and have been knurled.

Tuned Performance

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If you need me to setup a dial indicator showing the valve movement with a video let me know. Just bye the look of it the intake valves moves .030 and the exhaust are about .005 side to side with the valves slightly open. This is true for all the valves.

wyochimneysweep

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I had a machine shop do my heads and knurled them instead of calling me to see if I wanted to replace then 3 months later I pulled them back off and had new guides and vavles installed. pissed me off.

88FormulaF_Bomb

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Thought id add that i never ran these heads. They sat in my brothers garage for a few months before i sold them to tuned performance

Tuned Performance

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This picture is of some edelbrock headers I was showing a member
How they fit on 113 heads. You can clearly see Bryan there are identifications these were the heads you sold. If you look at the cylinder head temp sensor hole the rust around it and the scratch as compared to your posting pictures. Also the springs, arp studs. All I am asking is that you help correct the situation. I have been disabled for three years. The heads are just a little more than my maximum lifting limit. I have had my wife help assist me with lifting to prevent more injury to my body. I would like to get them to a machine shop at the first of the year after the holiday season and have them checked out. New guides installed and a valve job. I will be more than happy to setup a dial indicator showing how much the valves move back and forth. No one has used these since you sold them. Wether your machinist didnt tell you the condition of the guides the heads were misrepresented and cannot be used as is. Are you willing to stand behind your sale ?


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Originally Posted by Black89Z51
Brian,

I'm sorry but I'm not going to be able to split anything. I didn't sell the heads to you for starters, its been almost a year since the original sale, and there are way too many unknowns on my end to just start handing out money.

Again, I'm sorry but I can't help in this situation.

Bryan

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Hi Bryan, I bought them from Joey so I am positive, I'm also a business man and I hope you can see from my reputation, that I am honest and do business fairly. I would like you to meet me half way and chip in for the machine shop to fix, that would be the cheapest solution for us both. I look forward to opportunities for us to do business again in the future, thx brian


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Brian,

I'm not sure what you really want me to do. Honestly, I sold those heads almost a year ago, and I didn't sell them to you. And also I can't verify if those heads are mine as there were no unique markings on them. I'm sorry, but I don't think I can really do anything to help you out.

I hope you can understand my position.

Bryan

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Hi Bryan, thanks for your response, I know we are all extra busy around the holidays, so no worries.
I know you didn't know the condition since you can't tell until you take them completely apart. I'm open to suggestions on how we can solve this. Do you want me to send you pictures or video? What would be most helpful? I could take it to a machine shop here? We should probably try to avoid shipping costs. Let me know your thoughts. Thx Brian

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I'm not sure what to tell you. I trust this machinist pretty well. Sorry it took me a bit to reply. I'm working 12 hour days at work and have been busy with my kids and Christmas parties and such.



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Hi Bryan, I'm finally getting around to cleaning the carbon on the exhaust side of the heads and a few of the guide seal you could see through the springs were damaged. I'm not sure but I'm thinking a few retainers hit the a few seals. I believe your machinist pulled a fast one. The exhaust guides have about .005 clearance and the intake valve have about .030 All of the guides have been knurled about 1/4 of the length of the guide from the top side. I'm hoping the valve are ok. I didn't know if you sprayed them down with oil before they were packaged up the carbon in the exhaust port is all sticky. I'm thinking its because the guides are wasted. Man this sucks. I'm going to clean the second head and off to the machine shop to see how bad they are.

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Sounds good man. I did change those seals with all Vinton seals when I rebuilt those heads so they aren't that old, but cheap insurance.

Good luck!

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Sweet, thank a lot I will just double check once I assemble the engine but sounds life I just need to refresh the seals and clean off the head surface a little and I'm good to go.

QUOTE=Black89Z51]Hey man, I found my can card. Its a Comp 08-432-8. 510 in and 520 exhaust for lift. Hope this helps.

Bryan

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Bryan, did you have the guides cut down ? I'm planning on running a cam with .508/.516 and I think that will only give me .009 clearance from the keeper to the valve guide-brian


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hello, I accidentally lost your user name on corvette forum. I can't remember if you told me the part number on the springs and retainers that are in the heads right now. I'm just trying to avoid buying new springs and taking the heads to the machine shop - brian

Hey man. The user name is the same as on corvette forums. Anyhow, the springs are 986-16 and the retainers are 740-16. Those are both Comp Cams part numbers. Hope this helps.

Bryan

Tuned Performance

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As a reply to your personal message, yes these are the heads you had rebuilt. This one I have not yet cleaned all the oil soaked carbon out of the exhaust ports or remove the head gasket material. They have never been installed or ran since sold. The damage to the guides are obvious, and knurling wow what a bad garage fix. I will never recommend anyone doing business with you sir. I guess the only thing fresh about these heads are they were resurfaced. It would be one thing if I damaged the heads but I paid more than a fair price for them and right now they are unusable. As you can see my MRI, I'm jacked up . I just got the drs restrictions moved up to lifting 20lbs.

This was caused because some a hole was txting and rear ended me on a freeway off ramp for 55mph.
2 years in bed and four surgeries later.

Black89Z51

Classy way to handle things, Brian.

Don't get what you want and cry about it to the public? Class act, sir.

Well done.

Also, you didn't buy the heads from me, so stop saying you paid good money for them. I don't have a single dollar of yours.

FYI, this is the exact opposite way to handle any sort of this situation.

And by the way, that's an X-ray, not an MRI.

Black89Z51

I'd also like to point out that the combustion chambers on my pictures don't have any carbon, whereas your pictures appear to have some sort of carbon buildup.

Tuned Performance

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The dark shadows because of lighting
Anyways, I'm not crying just upset your not making a deal right. I'm just asking for some assistance with repair after the holidays. I didn't think that was asking to much. You got paid good money for these. I didn't have the funds at the time. I saved up and purchased them from Joey. He spun a rod bearing and never installed the heads. So I'm not sure what carbon your referring to but your answer is clear you won't stand behind what you sell. They were misrepresented or your machine shop pulled one over on you.
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Black89Z51

For the last time, I did not sell these to you.

We're done here.

I wish you the best of luck.

88FormulaF_Bomb

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Ok will you refund my money for selling me scrap aluminum?

Black89Z51

Hardly scrap aluminum, and you don't own them anymore.

This will be my last reply here.

There wasn't any warranty expressed or implied. They were a used part, and you don't even own them anymore Joey.

88FormulaF_Bomb

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You are right, not quite scrap.

If tuned felt like being a shady *** rat he could sell them to some 19 year old whose just trying to get his first build together.

Blue1990camaro

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HeY?! ^ not cool, trying to build on a budget then getting kicked while your down isnt right, i had a machine shop do mine, and he pulled a fast one on me i had to take em to a second shop, and tuned, just made himself look like an idiot, cool, this is like highschool bulls**t kid drama all over again.

hillntx

TunedPerformance, if you bought these heads from your good friend 88FormulaF_Bomb after they sat on a shelf in his garage for 11 months, I would think you had time to inspect them before purchasing. If you chose to buy them without inspecting, you assume the risk.

88FormulaF_Bomb, had you inspected the heads when you received them or within a reasonable time period you could cry foul and pursue some recourse if they did not meet your expectations. Eleven months after the sale is not a reasonable time period for an initial inspection.

Time to take the high road and write off the loss as a learning experience. Always inspect what you buy.