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Old 04-28-2012, 09:18 PM   #1
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how many 91 GTA's were made?

What is the offical number of GTA's made in 91
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GTA source page said this is the offical number. All three are good resources but they have different numbers.
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Iim surprised no answer to this oh well.
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Why would you expect an answer? No site is trying to provide the wrong information and yet you get 3 different numbers.
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I would expect the number of cars made be the same between the 3 resources. I understand they are not trying to provide wrong info but atleast 2 of them possibly all 3 are wrong. Did they guess how many they thought were made? Who would you trust?
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Same thing with the other years of the GTA but I dont have any vins to reference on compnine.com
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

It doesn't matter how many were made, it matters how many are left
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I would expect the number of cars made be the same between the 3 resources. I understand they are not trying to provide wrong info but atleast 2 of them possibly all 3 are wrong. Did they guess how many they thought were made? Who would you trust?
Frankie from GTA Source page, from my understanding, got into the GM archives and was able to count RPOs. I have no idea where TGO got it's numbers. Compnine was based off of what RPOs they have in their database.

I personally trust the GTA source page, but I find it odd that compnine is higher.
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It doesn't matter how many were made, it matters how many are left
It would be cool to find out how many are left but good luck.
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Frankie from GTA Source page, from my understanding, got into the GM archives and was able to count RPOs. I have no idea where TGO got it's numbers. Compnine was based off of what RPOs they have in their database.

I personally trust the GTA source page, but I find it odd that compnine is higher.
thank you for the info
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Wouldn't PHS have the correct number??
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Last I checked PHS couldn't do anything newer then 87
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What is PHS? could you cross reference thier count with the other three for an 87 GTA
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Pontiac Historic Services:
http://www.phs-online.com/
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

I'm pretty sure Frankie's info is the same as what PHS would have.

It is very interesting that Compnine shows more. It would be like doing a Carfax query and seeing how many VIN's for a certain year model have ever been registered in say the U.S. If they have RPO records for that many cars, I'm going to say there are that many cars, unless they are typos or errors in their database. But hell, Compnine says my car is 1 of 1 and that there were only 28 1992 Firebirds total even made with grey leather so who knows how accurate it is.

As for what GM/PHS/GTAsourcepage can offer, I would want to see VIN sequences or all the VINs to do a better accurate count rather than just take the Generals word for it as this point.

I have a database dump of all 1992 Firebird VINs that okfoz did for me and TransAmGTA.com many years ago. It was very interesting to sort through and count to say the least. If I recall, it was all U.S. registered VINs ever.
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I'm pretty sure Frankie's info is the same as what PHS would have.

It is very interesting that Compnine shows more. It would be like doing a Carfax query and seeing how many VIN's for a certain year model have ever been registered in say the U.S. If they have RPO records for that many cars, I'm going to say there are that many cars, unless they are typos or errors in their database. But hell, Compnine says my car is 1 of 1 and that there were only 28 1992 Firebirds total even made with grey leather so who knows how accurate it is.

As for what GM/PHS/GTAsourcepage can offer, I would want to see VIN sequences or all the VINs to do a better accurate count rather than just take the Generals word for it as this point.

I have a database dump of all 1992 Firebird VINs that okfoz did for me and TransAmGTA.com many years ago. It was very interesting to sort through and count to say the least. If I recall, it was all U.S. registered VINs ever.
Actually I can see quite easily why the numbers could differ. There were also cars sold into Canada as well as export.

For example of the 1988 GTA's made with LB9/5-speeds, Frankie's page lists 809 (if I remember correctly) - but that is US production only! For my 1988 GTA (LB9/5 speed), my package from GM Canada lists 1830 Trans Am's for sale in Canada, 850 with CC1, 785 with LB9, 378 with MM5 and 1,261 with Y84 (GTA). Play the percentage game of T/A vs GTA (based on US ratios) for LB9/5 speed (and CC1) and perhaps 160 extra show up.

Also just for info, all of my Canadian cars show up in the Compnine database but I always get build unknown and no idea of how many produced.
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Re: how many 91 GTA's were made?

Every-single-GTA from 1991 was made in..... 1991.



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