Ryan Konrad

Hello all! Long time lurker first-time poster. I do all the marketing and car listings at my dealership called Cars Remember When. We took in on trade this 1985 Iroc-z Camaro with 3,134 original miles (title reads exempt)

I have gone over this entire car top to bottom and think it really is a 3,134 original mile car. Before this car posts out on the internet everywhere, I wanted you guys to take a look at it and let me know what you think?

View all the photos and video here- https://www.carsrememberwhen.com/inv...roc-z28/203975

All the light housing dates are correct, looks to be original paint, the gas tank was replaced about 3 years ago, still has the original tires on it.

Just want your thoughts!

thanks!

BizJetTech

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IMO, that does not look like a 3,000 mile car to me. I am very suspicious.
Additionally, they are too high on the price, even if the mileage is accurate

Ryan Konrad

Any reason why you don't think it looks like one? The interior is flawless and shows absolutely no wear anywhere.

Price is because you'll never find another one this clean!

BizJetTech

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You are not correct, there are plenty of them out there with even fewer miles in far better shape for less $$ than that one. A friend just sold one with 104 miles. If you make statements like that then you are the expert and why are you asking us ???

gt4373

First Off Is The Price, I Don't Think They Will Get Anything Near That

Ryan Konrad

Oh well that's pretty cool. I haven't seen any on the market currently as in right now for sale but I could be wrong.

I am no expert on third gens, I am a 2nd gen guy myself. I was just wondering what yall thought about the condition of the car.......not our asking price.

BIRD91ZRAG

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A lot of that suspension stuff was bare steel from the supplier. Brake pedal pad looks kinda janky, but they deteriorate too. What was the asking price? Now it says to call..

Drew

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Brake pedal pad just needs to be snapped back on. That's how they look when someone catches the edge with a shoe and pulls it part way off. It doesn't show any obvious signs of being prettied up for resale, but it's not exceptionally well preserved either. 10-15 years ago I would have been impressed, but there has been a never ending stream of extremely low mileage thirdgens rolling through this very forum for over a decade. They're passe and boring at this point. I mean we just had this exact same thread except the car was an 83 T/A. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...983-trans.html It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that a LOT of people thought they'd be the only one to buy a new thirdgen and store it for 30 years, then cash out big time. If we're seeing this many on this forum that's really kind of slow, you know there are many, many, more out there that never get posted here. The supply is far greater than the demand, the market just hasn't quite realized it yet.

The date codes on the lights don't mean a thing. Those lights were new for 85. Go look at a 92, and it'll have the same 85 DOT markings.

Ryan Konrad

You'll have to wait and see when it posts, it really is an amazing car, I've sold a few of these and have never seen one even close to how clean this one is. We may put it up on BringaTrailer for biding.

I was hoping BizJetTech would say why he thought it did not look like a low mileage car since he has owned one according to his bio, but he seemed to come on pretty harshly.

Ryan Konrad

Thanks a lot for your input Drew. I did look through that thread on the 83 T/A, I have seen a few of those low mileage but not too many of the Irocs. (also I think the Pacecars are UGLY) I will search the forum to see what I can find.

Good to know on the taillights, to me it just shows the car has not been restored and if it has they used correct NOS parts

Drew

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To those that spend a lot of time looking at low mileage thirdgens, their standards tend to be pretty high, they will judge a less than perfect car, harshly. Or at least the comments and judgement will seem harsh.

ray jr

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bizjetTech said that because he has seen low mileage third gens and well preserved low mileage third gens dont look like that and i agree with him .. here is a pic of the rear of my 85 5,000 mile iroc and here is a pic of yours .. if you put your car next to mine yours would look like it had 20,000 more miles than mine ..

F-body-fan

I agree, great looking car & obviously very limited use. It was likely sitting in someones garage with he doors open on nice summer days rather than in a climate controlled building. You can still see the paint dipped control arms, zinc plated fasteners underneath, etc. While its not as nice as others we have seen underneath, I absolutely love looking at those underside pictures & for me are the money shots. So untouched & Im so, so glad nobody spray bombed the surface rust underneath. Price argument aside, if somebody would have detailed underneath that would be an instant deal breaker for me. This car is awesome, just not taken care of like we have come to expect. Not many of them stuck in plastic bags in a climate controlled building, but like Drew says we have raised the bar now that we have all been exposed to the handful that have been.

BizJetTech

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BizJetTech

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Do you know how many times we have all heard........" you'll never find another one this clean! "
IMO, the interior is FAR from "flawless" and I'm sorry, but it does indeed show wear.
We have all seen IROC's with 3,000 miles that show much better for far less $$$.
I'm not saying it's not a nice car, I'm saying it's not difficult to find others with similar miles, that look better for less money.....sorry, but that is my opinion and you asked.

dmccain

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I think a lot of time was wasted with this thing in storage. It should have been out there being enjoyed.

kentuckyKITT

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It looks like the car sat out in the sun most of its life since the bands around the windshield and hatch are faded out gray really bad. Almost all low mileage cars I see, have a nice deep black to the bands still. Also, I may be wrong, but should the headlight buckets be satin/flat instead of glossy body color?

JimRockford

I agree with you. The only point in owning a car is to drive it and enjoy it,otherwise it just because a big metal art sculpture to sit and wax and look at. Might as well enjoy it while you can.

And to the member who asked what the guy was asking for it before the price as removed,it was something insane like $39,999

JimRockford

I was wondering about that too. I know the other color cars had satin black headlight buckets,but maybe black cars just got painted body color since it wouldn’t show much anyway? Hopefully an expert can enlighten us.

gt4373

It Was More Insane Than That.

JimRockford

Yikes! I stand corrected. All I can say is good luck with that. You can buy a nicer (and much rarer and better performing) 89 turbo Trans Am for less than that.
With all that’s going on right now and the economy going the way it is,it’s a buyers market.

Drew

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In this economic climate? LOL That's "I'm gonna restore it someday" money, not even Barret-Jackson dreaming

ironwill

Okay.




$49,900??? Really???

My first thought is to LMAO; my second is to ask if you wear a mask and carry a gun at work?





smh...........................

navy02ws6

...and this thread is precisely why I choose to never post any of our Third Gens on here. I work the same job for a different independent dealer that specializes in pre-owned and classic Corvettes, and we occasionally get a Third Gen in here also. Been here for 14 years. We get lots of classic low mile cars like this, and everyone always loves to balk about how "those miles can't be right" because the front suspension has surface rust, or something else isn't 100% as it left the factory. Knowing what I know, I would bet that the miles are actual on this car.

I've seen enough older Corvettes and third gens to say that no matter how low the miles are, nothing this old is ever perfect, or really even close to it, with the main reason being that build quality back then just isn't anywhere near what it is today. Today's cars simply stay looking "new" for much longer than older cars. We've had plenty of sub-30,000 mile '78 Corvette Pace Cars, and lots of people can't understand why so many of them have been repainted, despite the low miles: they just don't understand how bad factory paintwork and craftsmanship was in the past compared to now. Black shows more flaws than ANY other color, particularly White, and if this car hasn't had its paint corrected recently, it's not going to look great. Lots of cars aren't stored properly as well, which doesn't help either; according to the Carfax, this car has spent the last 20 or so years in Illinois, so I'm sure the salt and cold weather was also a factor. You really have to keep these cars inside a bubble with regulated humidity to keep them flawless for 35+ years, and very few people are willing to do that, particularly when cars change hands several times.

Now, on to the price...yes, you're a dealer and have to make a profit to stay in business, and yes, IROC prices are inflated right now, but $49,900 represents pretty much the top price that any IROC has ever pulled at probably the most prestigious auction, and this car just isn't special enough or nice enough to come anywhere close to that. It needs to be about cut in half. We had an '84 Z28 L69 5 speed car in here recently with 60K-ish miles that was very nice and original condition wise, but not worth anywhere near the $14,999 that we had to price it at, due to the consignor insisting that it was worth $12,000 or whatever his net payout would be if we sold it. In all fairness, it was probably an $8,000 retail price car. Needless to say, it sat here for 6 months with few to no leads, and ended up getting shipped back to him because he thought it was worth the moon since he's seen IROCs sell in the $30s and $40s at some auction. Just before that, we had a similar mile consigned Beige/Gold '85 Z28 305 TPI with literally no other options other than A/C, that someone had drilled giant holes in the dashpad and door panels to put some fancy stereo in. We had that $7,000 car priced at $15,000, and someone actually bought it. Buyers dictate the market; yes, you make look stupid asking a high price at first, but you can always mark it down! In this case, I think this car will have a few markdowns before it finds its new owner.

BizJetTech

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Just for reference...........this 104 mile IROC kept in a climate controlled environment its entire life sold for under $49,000 (it sold after the ebay auction ended)
IMO, this car was as close to perfect (like new) as I've seen.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Chevro...p2047675.l2557

Drew

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No joke. There are way too many rocks flying around here to go posting glass houses.

You're not really saying anything different from anyone else. It's an overpriced and flawed car, and the description is typical dealer **** that makes it sound like someone is overselling the car, which they are... It's a nice car, certainly better than average, but to say it's exceptional for being an Iroc, or a thirdgen, or the mileage, is a stretch.

Ryan Konrad

Thanks for all the input guys - appreciate the feedback. Were going to list an initial price of $34,900 OBO

JimRockford

I am honestly surprised so many people bought these and put them away and never drove them. It does seem like a lot of fairly low mileage cars keep popping up. The problem with the 104 mile Camaro is that if you bought it,what could you realistically do with it?
Put it in a garage and look at it? If you drove it,it would lose value. I just don’t see the fun in
owning a car you would never drive. It would be like marrying a playboy centerfold model and never taking her to bed. Lol.

BizJetTech

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Based on what I see with the car, IMO, your selling price will end up in the low to mid $20's......is the car fully documented? Window sticker, invoice, build sheet, etc?

dmccain

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I love Third-Gens but a nice I mean super-nice fun thirdgen can be had under 20k! If im spending 40k im spending it on a car that is worth real $$$ like classic muscle cars and at that point im paying that as an investment.

ironwill

Which is why there is so much skepticism concerning odometer readings when these cars surface. It's kinda like all those " '69 Z28s " that keep showing up for sale; there's probably 3 times as many of them around as Chevrolet ever built, IYKWIM.

scottmoyer

Since you're looking for opinions, here's mine.

The car was not stored properly and that's pretty obvious. In my opinion, the best way to get top dollar for this car is to completely detail it and then take new pictures. The 4.3 mile 1985 IROC-Z that we had on this site years ago, came out of a trailer after 20+ years. After being washed, the paint looked similar to this car. The dealer spent hours detailing that car and restoring the paint and engine compartment to factory new. The interior of that car had plastic still on it, so not much was needed there, unlike this car. On the interior, I would clean all the nooks and crannies with a detail brush, apply some leather conditioner to the dash and the plastics, reset the brake pad and you should be good.

I think your new asking price is slightly high for today's market, but I've seen crazier things happen with 3rd gens, so it's a good start. I've recently seen sales where, one car will have low miles and have all the right options and sell for less than another car, with higher miles, fewer options and in my opinion, a less desirable package. Doesn't make much sense.

Regarding the headlights, the finish is correct. If the car gets detailed and the headlight buckets are waxed, they will have the correct finish to them. I don't know why some are saying they look gloss black, because what I saw, they look satin.

Navy02s comments are correct, in that, the members of this site are looking for perfection, but usually they want it at street corner pricing. I'm one of the few that will say good luck with your asking price and I hope you get it. Just be careful in how you advertise the car. There are plenty here, myself included, that will say making comments that you won't find them any nicer, is a turn off. I have a 21k IROC-Z that's been judged at 996 out of 1000 points and I also have a 29k 1982 Z28 that shows wear, but is cleaner than this car. GLWS

TransamGTA350

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I agree with most of the comments already said. I believe the mileage is probably correct and it certainly is a very nice car and better than most of them out there. It's not perfect though and that's mostly having to do with how it was stored. I agree that a really thorough detailing would help it show a bit better. I think the asking price of $34,900 might be a bit steep, but probably an OK starting point for a dealer and maybe it will sell for something close to that and I hope it does, but the true value is probably something closer to mid 20's. It's looks like a great car and I agree that we are being very picky, but at the asking price, its what happens.

JimRockford

Scottmoyer,
I remember watching a YouTube video about a year ago about a Camaro found unsold inside a semi trailer. It had the window sticker still on it and all the plastic over the seats.Is that your car? I’m probably wrong as I thought that one wound up in a museum,but If so what was the story behind it never selling and how did you find it? I will have to look for the video again.

scottmoyer

That car isn't mine. I worked with the 1st owner, the guy that pulled it from the trailer, when he sold it on eBay. I then worked with the new owner to bring it back to life. Many people on this forum know the guy that brought it back. The owner of a Ford dealer bought the car and his assistant was the one that did all the work. Do a search on TGO for 4.3 mile IROC and you'll find the thread where Keith got the car running, refinished the paint and detailed the crap out of the car. Then they sold the car. It's now in a collection in Tennessee. The new owner has many Camaros, but this one is his trophy. My only purpose for showing that picture is because a washed car that's had dirt on it for so many years, had no shine at all until it was compounded and buffed out. You can see how beautiful it looks after a little detailing. I'm positive that if if Keith can get the 4.3 mile IROC to look like that, a professional detailer will do the same for Ryan's car.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...mile-iroc.html

Below you can see what the car looked liked washed, but the rear quarter was compounded and polished.

TransamGTA350

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No, that wasn’t Scott’s car. Look up 4.3 mile IROC in this forum and you will find the thread from 10 years ago with lots of info about the car and it’s backstory. It’s very interesting. Since finding the car and cleaning it up, it was sold and now resides in a private Camaro collection just outside of Nashville, TN.

JimRockford

Thanks for the link. I will read it tonight. Wow! That’s really amazing. Beautiful car.

Bull333

Its strange that the tuned port injection in the rear left corner is grey and not gold as my 85 Iroc is. Here is a pic I took 2 weeks ago after being under raps in my garage for 25yrs
I still haven’t washed yet. 14,093 miles

scottmoyer

I blew up the picture of the rear emblem and it appears the color has been rubbed off. Not sure why the gold color is gone after 3k miles, but it definitely appears that's the issue.

Drew

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Maybe it's the same reason there are *** creases in the driver's seat? Excessive masturbation. It's the only reasonable explanation. It never left the garage, but someone spent hours in the driver's seat making Vroom! Vroom! noises. When they weren't doing that, they were buffing the gold. Shine my precious! SHINE!

Jbuchanan

That paint is not worn off........clay bar residue

chazman

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Nice car. Might only have 3K miles on it, but if so, not fantastically preserved or fresh looking.. Either way, $35K is very steep for this particular car. Is that a clamp on the driver's side tail pipe?

chazman

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I agree with Scott. A full detail on this car would be night and day. Also, replace that TPI emblem on the rear bumper.

OrangeBird

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I also wonder if it's a very well preserved and babied , and then somewhat detailed , 103K mile car rather than a true 3K mile one ?

My reasons for the doubt are ; the wear on the brake pedal , the scratching on the radio's display (the one in my 100K mile Firebird looks better than that one , how did it get so scratched up in only 3K miles?) , the gear oil that has leaked from the fill plug leaving a stain down the side of the pumpkin as well as it looks like some weeping around the yoke seal* ? , the muffler clamp that chazman mentions as well as what the heck happened to that engine cradle ? It looks like the poor thing was dragged repeatedly over something , all that wear & tear in only 3K miles ? , and lastly , are those red poly bushings on the front sway bar links rather than the black rubber factory ones one would expect to see on a 3K mile creampuff barnfind ?

* these stains don't look fresh , especially the yoke seal , it looks like old leakage from long ago that has dried up . Were it fresh I'd dismiss it as the seal being dried out from years of storage and now leaking from the car being moved , but to me it looks like it was there a long time .

BizJetTech

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Take a close look of how much wear is under the center console hatch release......my 18,000 mile RS shows no wear at all in the same area.
I've owned 50,000 mile cars that show far less overall interior wear than this car is showing....even detailing wont take care how much "wear"
the interior is showing. I'm not saying it's not a nice car with a lot of potential, but as I said earlier, IMO, you can find a nicer example with same mileage for
less $$$

gt4373

I See No Clamp On The Driver's Side.

chazman

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Where are those pics? I didn't even notice any undercarriage pics.

chazman

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Duh! Just saw those other better pics.

chazman

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Okay, just looked over the other pics , I missed. I'm convinced the miles are real. Certainly not 103K miles. But this car needs some elbow grease to look it's best. At any rate, I'd be hard pressed to say it could sell for more than $20-$25K.

TransamGTA350

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I believe the red sway bar end link bushings are factory. There is a YouTube video of the 4.3 mile 1985 Iroc that the current owner put out there talking about some maintenance items he was doing and one of the things was replacing those original endlinks that had dried out and fell apart. The originals were red on that car.