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Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
LTX and LSXPutting LT1s, LS1s, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who are doing and have done the swaps so they can discuss all of their technical aspects including repairs, swap info, and performance upgrades.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by vorteciroc
I took a look at that Wire-Stripper that you Guys posted.
I have Not used that type of Design in a very long time...
How do you like it?
I usually tell people looking for a decent Multi-Purpose Wire-Stripper, to find the IDEAL Model #45-092 StripMaster for around $30 to $40 on Sale.
Great Tool!
They also have nice Tools for ETFE Wire... but are very expensive!
I prefer a manual wire stripper.
If you strip as many conductors as I do in the course of any given day, the simplicity far exceeds the fanciness of the mechanical style.
My opinion only. Yours may vary.
Also available for wire sizes down to 30 AWG.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
TechFlex also has these ThermaShield Cylinder-Halves for Connectors
We (GM) used these over Knock-Sensor Connectors on some Vehicles with Gen III/ IV/ V SBCs:
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by skinny z
I prefer a manual wire stripper.
If you strip as many conductors as I do in the course of any given day, the simplicity far exceeds the fanciness of the mechanical style.
My opinion only. Yours may vary.
Also available for wire sizes down to 30 AWG.
I actually ONLY used to use Wire-Strippers like you have Posted above
(The Set is from Snap-On).
...and NEVER used Wire-Strippers like the Tools I Posted from IDEAL.
If I never started using ETFE Wire, I would have just stuck with the Snap-On Wire-Strippers.
However, with the ETFE Insulation, nothing is as consistent as the IDEAL Specialty ETFE Tool.
If I ONLY used GXL and TXL Insulation,than it would Not Matter...
But Nothing else seems to work with the ETFE Insulation, like the Specialty IDEAL Tools.
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Last edited by vorteciroc; 08-07-2022 at 07:21 PM.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
* ES2000 for splices. I see some shops use SCL but that's not flame retardant.
* RNF-100 to cover exposed conductors (ring terminal crimps).
* RT-375 to cover wire labels.
Why is this stuff so flipping expensive!?!?
Anybody got a suggestion where to buy hobby portions at low prices?
TE/ Raychem DR-25 Heat-Shrink Sleeving and Heat-Shrink Boots are primarily what I use.
I also use a TON of NonHeat-Shrink Boots from Bosch.
I normally use SCL for Heat-Shrink Tubing (Not to be confused with the DR-25 Heat-Shrink Sleeving)...
I often use Black TechFlex Flexo F6 Sleeving (Not Split, expandable) over DR-25, or just Black TechFlex Flexo F6 Sleeving alone, for certain situations.
SCL Heat-Shrink Tubing is used here.
I use SCT (Flame Ret) for Heat-Shrink Tubing with Black TechFlex FireFlex Aero (Flame Ret) Sleeving (over DR-25).
I use a very small amount of ATUM Heat-Shrink Tubing where High-Ratio Shrinking is required.
I also use a small amount of TechFlex InsulTherm Tru-Fit Sleeving for Very High Temps.
I have never used it (TechFlex Flexo F6 Split Sleeving) but I accidentally put in my previous Post, that I do use it.
I saw that you asked about Split Sleeving...
And I accidentally typed the Product that you asked about; instead of the Product that I use.
I am sorry, about that Mistake.
The Product that I use is Expandable, and not Split.
It is called TechFlex Flexo PET Clean-Cut.
Sorry about that.
Last edited by vorteciroc; 08-14-2022 at 07:50 PM.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Anybody know if there is "M/P 280 tangless female terminal sealed" in the 18-20 AWG range and 20-22 AWG range?
I'm looking at 280 relay plug (12129716) and I see terminals for 10-12 AWG (12110853), 12-14 AWG (15383341), and 14-16 AWG (12129409) but none for smaller wires. I found a TAXI drawing (12129032) and it doesn't list smaller wire terminals either. Relay coils have small current draw so small wire is sufficient if I can find terminals.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Anybody know if there is "M/P 280 tangless female terminal sealed" in the 18-20 AWG range and 20-22 AWG range?
I'm looking at 280 relay plug (12129716) and I see terminals for 10-12 AWG (12110853), 12-14 AWG (15383341), and 14-16 AWG (12129409) but none for smaller wires. I found a TAXI drawing (12129032) and it doesn't list smaller wire terminals either. Relay coils have small current draw so small wire is sufficient if I can find terminals.
#12110847(L) will be the Tangless MP-280 Terminals for 18-20 AWG.wire.
#12110846(L) will be the Tangless MP-280 Terminals for 20-22 AWG.wire.
Last edited by vorteciroc; 08-21-2022 at 06:47 PM.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by vorteciroc
#12110847(L) will be the Tangless MP-280 Terminals for 18-20 AWG.wire.
Looks like drawing for 12110847 shows cable range of (1.0 - 0.8 mm2). Normally I would associate that with 16-18 AWG wire. Did you make a typo or is that a practical lesson where it's really better suited for 18-20 AWG? Wondering if maybe my occasional problem with crimping is because I've sometimes got my wire gauge specs a little off and I'm grabbing the wrong terminal.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
In this situation:
I just opened the Organizer Compartments that I have for the Tangless Metri-Pack 280 Sealed Terminals...
I keep 4 Terminal Sizes/ Compartments (NOT including over-stock) and looked at the 2 Smallest sized Terminals...
Wrote down the 2 Part Numbers and What size TXL I would normally use in them.
I bought the 15326631 black connector that is called out on the drawing for 13516627 bulkhead. This looks to be same as what Racetronix uses in their 4th gen Hotwire kit.
I also bought the 13527865 ethanol compatible connector like described in the slide pack in this thread. But that connector appears to be very different. Are you sure this connector plugs into the 13516627 bulkhead? Or is there a special bulkhead needed for this? (I don't have a bulkhead to experiment with and it's expensive to get one).
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Sorry, me again with another question. I'm still in analysis paralysis over this bulkhead pass-thru for my engine ECM, mainly hoping there is a solution that fits better (smaller) with large pin count.
I never considered the Deutsch Autosport connectors because I thought they were made for very thin wall insulation. I am finding in the technical information manual that the AS Series with size 20 contacts have wire seal range that works with 22 AWG TXL. And size 20 pins and sockets can be used with 22 AWG wire. Am I interpreting that right? (I think I am).
If that's the case, then a whole new world of compact packaging just opened up to me. I just wish the AS series had a better mix of larger size contacts in the same connector.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
The TE/ Deutsch AS Connectors are intended to be used with (very thin wall insulation) ETFE (Tefzel) Wire.
So if you are going to use TXL Wire...
You will indeed need to use a smaller Wire (24AWG or 22AWG instead of 20AWG).
Other than spending over $1,000 for 2 Crimpers (and a bunch of Terminal Positioners) from DMC...
The AS Connectors are very good.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Thanks.
Do you know if Holley Dominator ECM, switched +12V (J1A-10) really needs 18 AWG wire? Seems that could be 22 AWG if it's just voltage sensing, but perhaps it is supporting a load inside the ECM. It would solve some problems if I could reduce my 18 AWG wire count thru bulkhead.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Do you know if Holley Dominator ECM, switched +12V (J1A-10) really needs 18 AWG wire? Seems that could be 22 AWG if it's just voltage sensing, but perhaps it is supporting a load inside the ECM. It would solve some problems if I could reduce my 18 AWG wire count thru bulkhead.
Talked to Holley tech support by phone. That wire supports switched loads (relay outputs, etc), so it has to stay 18 AWG.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
I'm seeing that the LSA / LS9 3-bar MAP sensor has different connector than the other LS MAP sensors. Looks to me like a Bosch T-MAP with the same Bosch Compact 1.1 type connector? Is it de-populated to only have the MAP sensor?
Looking at the Blue colored area...
There are 2 notches above and below (in the Blue)... those are keyed differently than the Connector that you were thinking of.
Last edited by vorteciroc; 12-04-2022 at 06:50 PM.
I was working on my New Design Sealed Dash Harness...
(Sealed C100 and Sealed Passenger-Side Fender Bulkhead with the Sealed Mixed Metri-Pack Bulkhead Connectors)
C207 and C208 also use a 7-Way Metri-Pack 280 Mating Connector #12015921 (Male Terminals) with the 8-Way Connector #12015922 (Image above).
These Two Connectors (#12015921 and #12015922) are both used together to mate with 15-Way Connector #12020213.
Taxi/ Data Sheet coming soon.
C208 Metri-Pack 280 8-Way Connector #12015922 (Male Terminals) in the above Image...
Uses it's own mating Connector.
The C208 mating Connector is Metri-Pack 280 8-Way Connector #12015416 (Female Terminals):
Last edited by vorteciroc; 12-07-2022 at 08:31 PM.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by vorteciroc
I now have Terminals for Holley EFI PCM Connectors that are very easy to crimp...
Got the package and tried a couple crimps in size 20 (20 and 22 AWG wire). Completely idiot proof, and really quick and easy. Love it! DT crimper for the win!!!
Had a bit of trouble closing the terminal keeper in the Ampseal connector but re-inserted the terminals and had no trouble after that. Chalking that up to user malfunction, not the part.
Let me know when the 18 AWG become available and I'll pick up some of those too.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Wow, you will not believe what happened. I bought the other tool from Mouser and they gave me the first one free (refunded me and told me to keep it). I was so shocked at their generosity that the lady joked, "Do we need to give you a moment to recover?"
Hi
I need to crimp some Micro Pack 100W terminals to 22AWG wire. Just wondering if you had any luck with either of the tools?
You said the single size too 12125080 crimped nicely, but was too loose on 22AWG... I could go up to 20 or 18 if that would help?
Also the 3 size Sargent 3191CT / 12070948 ... how did that tool go?
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Delphi crimper 12125080
This is for Micro-Pack 100W terminals and is specific to 18 AWG terminals and wire size. You could try doubling over (folding) 20 or 22 AWG wire inside the 18 AWG terminal but I have not tried that myself. I have never used the tool for its intended purpose. I was using it as an inexpensive cheat to crimp Superseal 1.0 terminals (Holley ECM). Although my impression is this is one of the better Delphi tools I have bought because it is refined for one special crimp, and not trying to be a jack of all trades. The Delphi tools I have been unhappy with are more multi-purpose, trying to cover too much a range of products with too few crimp positions.
Delphi crimper 12070948
This is for Micro-Pack 100 terminals. Similar name to 100W but not physically same at all. It will not work for LS1 ECM.
Sargent 3191CT
I never bought this, have no experience with it.
Overall I have learned that these Delphi and Sargent tools are really just field service repair tools and do not deliver factory quality crimps. I bought some Rennsteig tools (production quality dies) and there is a big difference in shape of crimps on the Metri-Pack 150 stuff. I am guessing that trend continues with other styles of terminals too. The Rennsteig is hard on the wallet though.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
The Rennsteig tools are a drop in the Bucket compared to the cost of the Original Assembly tooling.
(I would recommend them if anyone is going to get into making harnesses on the regular).
Or especially the Automated Crimp Tooling.
Last edited by vorteciroc; 11-27-2023 at 03:22 PM.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Delphi crimper 12125080
This is for Micro-Pack 100W terminals and is specific to 18 AWG terminals and wire size. You could try doubling over (folding) 20 or 22 AWG wire inside the 18 AWG terminal but I have not tried that myself. I have never used the tool for its intended purpose. I was using it as an inexpensive cheat to crimp Superseal 1.0 terminals (Holley ECM). Although my impression is this is one of the better Delphi tools I have bought because it is refined for one special crimp, and not trying to be a jack of all trades. The Delphi tools I have been unhappy with are more multi-purpose, trying to cover too much a range of products with too few crimp positions.
Delphi crimper 12070948
This is for Micro-Pack 100 terminals. Similar name to 100W but not physically same at all. It will not work for LS1 ECM.
Sargent 3191CT
I never bought this, have no experience with it.
Overall I have learned that these Delphi and Sargent tools are really just field service repair tools and do not deliver factory quality crimps. I bought some Rennsteig tools (production quality dies) and there is a big difference in shape of crimps on the Metri-Pack 150 stuff. I am guessing that trend continues with other styles of terminals too. The Rennsteig is hard on the wallet though.
Thanks for this.. currently I'm making just a single ABS harness. I'm experimenting with different ABS units to try to adapt to my C5 Vette. First, a late-C5 ABS to my early-C5 Vette. After that I will try a BMW ABS. First step is to terminate the stock wiring loom with a pair of sealed connectors.. it's about 24x 22AWG and 6x 12AWG. It looks like GT150 and GT280 are the most readily available there. I'll need to find tools for them too. Unless you have a recommendation for a non-Delphi system with good connector range and reasonably priced tooling?
Then on the late-C5 ABS unit, it has 20x MP100W but the connector I got, the wiring is falling apart. Hence I need to re-pin 20x MP100W but I'm flexible on gauge.
I think I'll pick up the 12125080 and experiment with wire sizes. The spec on the crimper says "22 to 18", and the terminals that are available say "0.35 to 0.5" which I think are 22 and 20. Strangely, the stock crimps have a little corrugated section in the insulation just before the crimp. This is where they go through the large rubber seal that seals all wires. I'm not sure what that is about, but hopefully the slightly larger wire size will help sealing.
I have a MP150 unsealed Delphi tool and it does quite a good job.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by Miles B
I think I'll pick up the 12125080 and experiment with wire sizes. The spec on the crimper says "22 to 18", and the terminals that are available say "0.35 to 0.5" which I think are 22 and 20.
Just be mentally prepared that it may not work as advertised. My guess is it will under crimp the 12084913 terminals (20-22 AWG), and only works with 12084912 terminals (18 AWG). You can fill the core crimp of the 18 AWG terminal by doubling up 20-22 AWG wire, but I'm not sure if it will make a good enough insulation crimp to strain relieve the wire? Experimenting will answer that.
I wish I had the right terminals on hand to try for you. But honestly, the Ampseal Superseal 1.0 is a near clone so I am fairly confident in my guess.
Originally Posted by Miles B
Strangely, the stock crimps have a little corrugated section in the insulation just before the crimp.
I don't know either. Maybe it is a special preparation of the wire insulation to make the wire more resistant to bending when inserting the wire into the connector?
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
Bulkhead in a wall, or inline connector?
Inline. The ABS unit sits between the engine and the radiator. The existing loom comes up the radiator fan panel where it's supported by harness clips, then plugs into the ABS pump with a mixed connector.. Metri 480 and 150 for the power stuff, and Micro 100 for the signals. Actually now that I look at it, the documentation says Micro 100 not 100W. I could swear I've seen it say 100W elsewhere, and the terminals sure look like 100W to me.
I can't get a good read on which series that actually is. A lot of sites say 100W, but the Aptiv site links that terminal to connectors it describes as "MIC/P 1.0", and connectors it describes as "MIC/P 100W" link to slightly different terminals.
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
My guess is it will under crimp the 12084913 terminals (20-22 AWG), and only works with 12084912 terminals (18 AWG).
Yeah these are the slightly different ones. I'm pretty sure I'm actually dealing with MP100 not 100W.
Anyway, I have a good connector for this but it needs re-wiring because the wires are shot. Then I want to put a pair of inline connectors about 6 inches before the ABS pump so I can swap in a new one later.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
15435885 is a Micro-Pack 100W. Appears the insulation crimp is designed for thin wall TXL wire (22-20 AWG). Notes on the print says it must fit a 2.1 mm diameter hole, 19.8 mm deep after crimping.
And there appears to be another style of Micro-Pack 100W terminal made for 2.54 mm diameter hole, 12 mm deep.
(22-20 AWG): 12084913 is replaced by 15359001 but the old part number is well stocked. These are intended for cable insulation 1.84-2.0 mm, which is kind of weird number. Too large for TXL. Too small for GXL. I wonder if these are for that special wire with the bumps that you showed earlier?
(18 AWG): 12084912 is replaced by 15359002 but the old part number is well stocked. Appears the insulation crimp is designed for thin wall TXL wire.
Those are my guesses after looking at the drawings. I'm a novice at all this. vorteciroc is the expert around here, Listen to him!
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
QwkTrip is going with his Very Well Educated Gut Instinct, and has become quite the "Pro" in my eyes.
I have been very Impressed with everything he has done here...
Thus I feel everyone here are in very good hands with QwkTrip.
Re: Part numbers of common electrical connectors with LS engine swaps
How dissimilar are Packard style connectors (OEM up to the early 80's I believe) from the follow-up Weather Pack, then the Metri Pack and I see here in this thread, a Micro Pack?
Reason for asking is that the service tool type Grote controlled cycle crimper that I posted way above is listed as for use with Packard terminals.
I'd like to know what I'm up against if I give this a go.
08-07-2022, 06:57 PM
What do you think about this crimping tool for these fuel injection connectors? Will it work for what I need? I found the crimper on Amazon.
