vorteciroc

As in the 56-Series, and 59-Series Connectors?

skinny z

That's a good question.
So that prompted another internet search for an 84-9449 crimp tool and interestingly, it yielded another Grote crimper and the catalogue blurb is entirely different from the one I saw the other day which prompted me to post.
No mention of Packard terminals. It's now Deutsch and Weather Pack. So now, with this new information my question is whether the description posted below is of any use in a wiring harness rework.









I'll be looking to modernize and weatherproof my existing wiring harness. Along with replacing relays that have a flat tab terminal to which I fasten a crimped female disconnect (Yes, I'm aware there's a 4-socket connector available but I choose not to use as it), I'd like a Weather Pack style connector. I'd prefer to terminate my own ends rather than getting a relay with a pigtail as that pigtail generally entails a butt-splice.
So I'd go from this:



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To this:




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But I'd forgo the pigtail and build my own connector assembly.
Will that Grote tool at least handle the task of that style connector?
Then there's the power distribution block discussed in another thread. At this time I've no idea what kind of terminals are needed. I'll deal with that when the time comes.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

There are still a few Metri-Pack 150 terminal part numbers I have never been able to find. If somebody knows please give me a shout. Thanks!

1. I'd like to find the silver versions of these to use with O2 sensor. I do know of the Gold part numbers. Maybe there is only Tin and Gold available for these Male terminals?

• Silver version of 12077628, M/P 150 male terminal sealed (0.5 - 0.35 mm2).
• Silver version of 12045773, M/P 150 male terminal sealed (0.8 - 0.5 mm2).

2. Tin plated version of 12160223, M/P 150 female terminal sealed (1.0 - 0.8 mm2). The Silver part number I already have is fine but hoping maybe the tin is a little cheaper?

vorteciroc

Tin plated version of 12160223, M/P 150 female terminal sealed (1.0 - 0.8 mm2):

Delphi #15326225.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Oh, I see. I'll probably stick with the silver plated 12160223 then.

I'm learning to avoid using 15326225. It has a larger 16-20 AWG wire range that my tools don't like. The Delphi tool under crimps 18 AWG wire so what I end up doing is make a full crimp on position C, and follow up with "2 clicks after seating" on position E. Not 1 click, not 3 clicks... but 2 clicks. I got tired of antics like this and bought the Rennsteig tool.

But it turns out that even though 15326225 terminal is listed as compatible with my Rennteig 1527 tool, the terminal is actually oversized and doesn't sit in the dies properly. The tool will make a good crimp first try, but there are antics again bending wings and such to get it prepped for the crimp. Things play out better when I use 12160223 for 16-18 AWG wire, and 12160222 or 12084200 for 20 AWG wire.

Thanks for your time looking into this for me. I appreciate it.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

This thread is not done yet and the 1-pagers will be getting updates. I've made my first practice harness (which was just a partial harness for learning purposes) and found a couple errors in the 1-pagers. I am also learning which terminals are "preferred parts" for the task.

vorteciroc

Delphi #12048074 is also an Option.

vorteciroc

These are the Gold (Au), Silver (Ag), and Tin (Sn) Plated Terminal Part Numbers for Metri-Pack 150 Female Terminals.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Ah, you know my language now. Nothing talks to me like a good TAXI drawing.

I had 12047884 Rev 18, sheet 2 ;
but I have not seen your newer Rev 24, sheet 2.
Looks like the part number lists are the same though.

This settles my curiosity, looks like I have the complete list of options. Thank you!

skinny z

There's as much good information here on the types of connectors as there is on the commonality of the LS swap hardware.
​​​​​​Seems a good place to ask about Deutsche connectors. Are they available as both an open barrel or a closed barrel? Comments on another forum seem to confirm this. And if that's the case, I can see the less finicky closed barrel used for my rewiring project.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Yes, there are stamped and formed contacts (open barrel), and solid contacts (closed barrel).

Whenever you're talking about a product owned by TE Connectivity (such as Deutsch), there is always outstanding documentation located at their website, https://www.te.com/

Link to Deutsch stamped and formed contacts: https://www.te.com/usa-en/product-CAT-D48-SFT273.html
Link to Deutsch solid barrel contacts: https://www.te.com/usa-en/product-CAT-D48-ST273.html
Deutsch products start on page 85: https://www.te.com/ict-catalog#page=18

Everything, and I mean EVERTHING, has a technical datasheet somewhere on their website that will tell you what are the options and compatible parts. Example of DTM connector datasheet, https://www.te.com/usa-en/product-CA....datasheet.pdf

You really gotta pay close attention to the seal dimensions with the Deutsch stuff. Much of it is made for off-highway industry with thick wire insulation. You often have to select a special part number for thin wire seal to work with TXL wire.