ZONES89RS

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I will be swapping the 6.0 from the 89 RS, to the 86 TA. I will post the weight difference, but I will swap the 12 bolt first, with the 4.30s, I am curious to see the 5.3 run before and after the rear swap with a converter that is too small, but then the 6.0 will go in.

Best has been 7.1 at 97 MPH in the RS, between a 4800 converter, and not having to shift gears, I really cannot wait to see of it picks up. The th400 is heavier, but not that much I don't think.

A Trans brake would help, but it is not Equiped.

I have to cut the sub frame connectors out of the camaro as well, for the sake of money and they are some bad ace sub frames.

The TA has manual windows, the RS has electric, otherwise, the main factor I believe will be the impact bars all the way around on the RS are gone.

Cannot wait to see what happens, the RS made a 11.18 pass at the 1/4 when I made the trip, got kicked of course, do could not back it up again, lack of roll bar, it was a 7.0 1/8th pass as well, so between the track and location, and weather, it was the one time it made a faster than usually run, I just really want to see how the TA will do pushing with this engine.

The 150 shot will go on as well, but that is later.

Upside to it all, is the RS being a 6 speed, manual steering, I was scared as hell to let a lighter driver that did not know the car make a run, I was 310 when I made those passes and had a 130 pound driver I could have let give it a shot, now, power steering and automatic, if it doesn't go faster, it should with the smaller driver, lol.

1gary

Wow.With 4.30's and a 6 speed,I wouldn't think you would be going pass the tree before your first shift.

jbenge

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It all depends on the setup of the car and how well you could drive the manual. I've known a few people who have gone from a manual to an auto, they are usually .2 or so faster with the auto but loose 1-2 mph.

There are very few people who can drive a manual good enough to take advantage of the extra efficiency. And the setup of the suspension is a little more tricky for a manual car, most never get it dialed in especially in a street/strip car. But there are some who can shift and have the correct suspension setup to run better than an auto car...its rare but there are a few out there.

There is a racer at my local track with a 71 camaro with a manual trans that runs very low 10's n/a. He makes the 1-2 shift with the front end still in the air....its crazy..I wouldn't even want to try that.

ZONES89RS

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Never thought about it, i just bang gears and keep on the throttle. It is allot of fun i will say that, LOL.


Depends on equipment as well, some trans, with fave plating, ect, they nearly cannot miss a gear and nearly require no clutch at all. But they are a bastard on the street. I have heard people say i can bang with the best wit a manual, and i would expect such as i have driven them forever, but i still think i am not good enough to beat the auto if i could have trans braked a TH350 in the RS, that way there would be no question in difference of a different car all together. If it is faster, sweet, if it is slower, i can see the extra weight being the factor. But on the nitrous, magic im sure.

1gary

You didn't ask,but a guide with a brake is deadly consistent.

ZONES89RS

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Not shooting for consistency, i see many 3 speeds that are consistant though. My T56 was 7.1, 7.1, 7.1 all night long, should have bracket raced it for the fun just to see how many feelings i would have hurt with a manual.

1gary

It's just the concept of fewer shifts,the more consistent it is.The Pro Stocks are all stick shifts,but air shifted to take the human factor out of it.

ZONES89RS

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Yea, they are not a real manual, they are a different ball game.

1gary

Please just to finish the thought about glides is the other advantage is less reciprocation wt internally makes them deadly in RT's and the R & D done on the valve bodies/brakes because they are a common factor across so many ET brackets.

BTW-I'm a shifter kind of guy.My D.D. is a 5 speed.

ZONES89RS

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Never used a glide, never will probably, never see deals on them, but I never look.

Sounds like you need to get your 6 speed on! More gears more fun on the street. Was a blast with 4.30s and t56. Going to miss it.

mikebondi

I'm interested to see how the swap goes. I'm contimplating going to a Turbo 350 with a brake instead of my t56. I race the car a lot in bracket racing.

ZONES89RS

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I don't think I would run a manual if my intent was bracket to start with.

I need a converter, I was worried I would not 60 as well without a brake, but a friends nova that I tend to beat up on with his 362 ci Chevy, solid roller, 3.89 gears and 3800 converter hits 1.51 60 foot times. I assume with my stronger engine, 4.30s and a 4800 I might hit the 1.4s. That alone will drop to 6.9s maybe. I cannot wait to find out.

mikebondi

Yeah I'm beginning my hunt and info gathering. Probably be a winter project. I am liking the idea of a glide with a gear vender. Looks like it turns the glide into a 4 speed and top gear would be. 78 to 1 so not completely terrible on the street and an animal on the track. I've always been told the glide is the most consistent way to bracket race. Ill keep an eye on your thread.

ZONES89RS

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Well, surely let me know how the gear vendor works if that is the route you go. Honestly, I would be in denial if I did not admit I will be using a 4L80 when I get the cash to replace the TH400, just be allot nicer for the street.

five7kid

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I don't know about IHRA or other sanctioning bodies, but NHRA Pro Stock is required to be driver-shifted. From the rulebook: "Automated, timer-type, pneumatic, electric, electronic, hydraulic, etc. shifting mechanism prohibited; each individual shift must be a function of the driver and controlled manually." Used to be all Lencos, but lately they've gone to Liberty transmissions.

So far this year, my round-record is better in the T56 car than in the automatic car. Main problem is at the line - my RTs are flirtin' so close to .00x all the time that my usual exit is from a -.0xx start, rather than inconsistency at the other end.

five7kid

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Oh, the auto car is about .6 sec quicker than the manual car, same MPH.

1gary

Stand corrected 57.Call it a senior moment.I promise you with enough power a glide/brake is the answer.

ZONES89RS

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.6 in two different card is hard to compare, but I would not know what to say if I picked up that much.

Orr89RocZ

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Whats your typical 60 foot with the manual? LIkely will pick up .2 in the 60 foot no doubt and carry that all the way down the track.

87_TA had a Th350 combo and did go 10.8's at 125. Stock rear. With T56 he was able to get same combo down to 11.0's-11.1's at 127 I believe. Limiting factor was stock rear but if it had a big rear end, it likely would have matched the auto. So i guess it will depend.

But I think it will do atleast 2 tenths due to 60 foot ability

ZONES89RS

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Hits 1.52-1.55 with the t56. The TA will be a hundred poounds heavier though.

five7kid

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It is, and I probably overstated it. More like .4. The T56 car is also about 150 lbs heavier than the 4L60E car (heavier rear end, AC stuff installed, and heavier wheels & tires). The 4L60E 60's around 1.80-1.82, and the T56 around 1.85-1.87 (remember, this is at 5800' elevation). My shifting is somewhere between "speed" shifting and "granny" shifting, which accounts for the rest of the difference.

Gotta admit, though, racing the stick is fun. Also more violent, and scarier (keep wondering what's going to break next).

87_TA

My limiting factor at the time was the 3.73 gears and stock rear.. 3.73s with that tall 2.66 first is hard to leave well.. You are correct though from best to best it was 10.87 to 11.001 All being lost from the 1.53 60ft from 1.42 with auto.. I think 12bolt and 4.10s at the time I would have went faster.. Best 60 ft to date with manual is 1.36 - But consistant 60s are not there..

That was my most efficient pass running 9.6 @ 140 surely beating an auto efficiency - however I have many that are worse due to 60ft.. I feel my shifting is on par with the best of them though

Also the 10.87 pass was th700 with the wicked low first..

ZONES89RS

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If things go as I hope, I will know the results soon. Got to sell the tpi 350 and t5 to swap the 4.8 and t56 in, then I will do the 6.0 Ito the TA. Need roughly 500$ for each.

Orr89RocZ

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Oh cool, I thought it was the th350 in that car. That was so many years ago

Zone, If your 1.5's now, i think the potential is there for a 1.4x with proper converter/gearing. IF it picks up there it SHOULD pickup down the track but never know

ZONES89RS

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Yep, I am getting excited, I will run the factory radiator just to hit the track if I have to, just to see. I think a 4500 converter is probably going to go in. Friend of mine has me confident it will 1.4, so that should be a couple tenths on the big end I hope.

Orr89RocZ

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yeah it will depend. I thought i'd see a tenth or 2 on 60 foot with a 3.73 gear swap from 2.73's and thus a 2-4 tenth gain on the big end since for me, in the past with other cars, a tenth in the 60 foot usually made between .15-.20 ET.

Well car went 0.05 better and stayed that way entire pass. 1.71 to 1.66 60, and 12.31 to 12.26.... I was pissed

ZONES89RS

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Lol, gear swaps are a different ball game, I'll admit that.

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Wtf are you doing weighing 310?!

Orr89RocZ

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To be honest, he doesnt look it at all. I would have guessed 250

ZONES89RS

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I'm down to 295, I am a big sob. Lol

ZONES89RS

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Well, was waiting for a guy to sell me a mustang so I can flip it to finish the RS and TA, he gave it to his son so ordered a large summit 21x10 Trans cooler to make sure
I have no issues with keeping the th400 cool, ordered a 4500 9.5 inch rev max converter with antibalooning plate, a aluminum Trans pan and a 3 core drop in radiator to keep this hog cool with the 3 speed and 4.30 gears on the street. I will make another swap thread for it.

ZONES89RS

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Got the engine out of the camaro:



After 3 years of abuse:






After some degreaser just to clean it for tonight, it will be red before it goes in the TA:





Never thought I would be pulling this thing any time soon.

ZONES89RS

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Nearly ready to drop in:





Going to get a rear seal and paint for the intake right now.

91_B4C_RS

Looking good bro

ZONES89RS

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Thanks man, looks ok for a quick job I guess, just want it done.



A bit more battle ready with the "semi gloss" the ended up a dark gray, lol. I like the painted intake, just wanted it black.

Got allot done tonight, called it quits at 4 AM, started at 6 pm or so.

Still a bit left to go, but the exhaust for the t56 is going to work with one minor mod to the x member. Lucky me.

Forgot to check where the hawks headers might hit on the th400 before I installed the engine, so I used a spare engine and turns out someone else with tight header room chopped the bellhousing for me at some point, might fire it up later after a few finishing touches after I get up.

ZONES89RS

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Well, comsidering the 3.23 gears still in the 10 bolt, the damn car is a monster. 2nd gear was spinning pretty bad, open headers just for a test drive ended in a 55$ mistake. Fried the shifter cable, so a new one is on the way and I will continue working in it next Friday and get that back going as well as the exhaust. Had my father about to rip the door handle off and give his 61 year old heart it's final beat. Fuel pressure was 10 psi for some reason and had to back the idle mix screws out to get her idling correct. Still had the Holley blue and will be swapping the aeromotive street and strip with bypass on soon as well.

I have no clue what U joint I will need for the aluminum DS with th400 to work with the 12 bolt, so that is another issue that will be holding me up.

Car skates pretty bad with 235/60/15 on the rear. Lol

ZONES89RS

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I hope the bit of static weight over the rear from the 12 bolt and the LCARBs will help the spinning along with the 275/60s, but the 4.30s will probably amplify the issue.