Fastkingcab

Any one ever seen the Banks Twin Turbo system in action??

I am strongly thinking about THIS LONG BLOCK along with THIS BANKS TT KIT to go into my new project 2600lb Nissan Pickup truck.

Although it my not seem like it I am on a budget the Turbo kit is just under $4,800.00 and the long block is $1,600.00 I already have the TPI intake and electronics.

I am not after insane power I just want a Twin turbo V8 500WHP would be fantastic for me. later in a few years I would rebuild W/ all foraged and go for more WHP

Are there any plug & play engine management systems for the TPI systems? I'd like to be able to make changes on the fly.

Are there any other Twin turbo systems on the market other than Callaway?



Thanks
Tom D

Dustin Mustangs

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That longblock is going to go BANG!, BOOM!, SNAP! before you get anywhere near 500whp. Look for something with at least forged pistons and low compresion for that power level. Also, the banks TT kit is by no means a budget-minded setup, although I guess there arent many other choices... Maybe try searching for the BBS Designs kit.

Fastkingcab

I know the Banks kit is on the pricy side but it's compleete. I was thinking of getting just thier manifods but they are $1,800.00 for the set. Turbos will be around $2K and the waste gates will be near $500. So I would be just barley under thier $4,700.00 anyway.

I thoight all day today that I don't think I would mind a huge single turbo. A little more lag, the same power & half the cost. But it's just not as cool as twins.


I was realy hoping that crate engine would do better that what you say would 400WHP be pushing it? 300WHP???


I'm not used to the small block yet in any way, I know the last engine I had in this project was a Bone stock Nissan 3.0L with a T3/TO4E-60 turbo that made just short of 350WHP out of an engine that had a 140WHP baseline


I'll look for BBS thought thanks,

Mike-91 Formula 350

I feel that if you buy a crate engine it really needs forged pistons and after recieving the motor it needs the pistons pulled and the ring gaps checked and ground if need be to work with a blown application.

CrazyHawaiian

I went the route of getting the manifolds and building the rest of the system around the manifolds. I got the manifolds for about 1/2 of what Banks was charging by buying them used. They're rare, but they're out there. Any T04E style turbo's will work with these Banks Manifolds. I'm gonna be doing my setup different from most, all turbo parts from Japan. Instead of standalone ECM I'm going with the 749 Sy/Ty ECM w/ $58 code for engine management, and big Aeromotive pump in the rear w/ custom lines.

I thought the complete Banks kit came with a motor too?

Dustin Mustangs

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There are packages...intake, turbo, longblock, ect. Or you can just buy the whole kit and kaboodle and really get bent over. I drooled over that kit for a while, but the bottom line is it's just too much $$.

paul_huryk

Considering the amount of good quality parts needed to make a 500hp turbo motor live, you might as well build it to 700hp, because most of the parts will be the same.

However, if you want to get 500hp and not spend a fortune, why not build a decent 350hp 355 and get a 150hp nitrous kit. Will be a lot easier and more cost effective than a turbo motor and kit.

Willie

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The Banks kit is not exactly complete and it's not exactly a bolt-in. It does not come with any exhaust pipes. More importantly, if you want to run any belt-driven accessories, you must go with an aftermarket system. I have tried in vain to use the stock serpentine system. There are just too many clearance issues. What you see in the Banks' pictures is the Vintage Air "Frontrunner" system. Oh, and if $5k for the TT kit isn't enough, the Frontrunner will cost you another $1600 or so.

For the record, I bought a banks TT kit last year but have yet to install it. Some of it is bolted to a mock-up block I have. Also, the front feeding fuel lines (TPI) will not work. There are clearance issues with the Frontrunner. If you can somehow circumvent this, there seems to be no way to route the feed and return lines because of the driver's side turbo. I have taken a spare TPI fuel rail and had it modified with -06AN fittings and plan on running the lines at the rear of the engine.

Once we've gotten by these issues, the Frontrunner uses a Type 2 GM power steering pump and with the TT kit, the reservoir must be mounted remotely. No problem here as the fourth gen V6 Camaros have a remote mounted reservoir. I will have to fab some bracketry though. The lines will have to be custom.

Other Frontrunner issues: The alternator is a one-wire unit, which I don't plan on using. But if you do, rewiring is necessary. The A/C compressor must be replaced with a Sanden unit -- more custom lines needed. There is no provision for an A.I.R. pump which is an issue for me because I must maintain the original A.I.R. system to register my vehicle every year. The only spot for it is where the A/C compressor bolts to, so I have no choice but to remove the A/C system.

Then there's the A.I.R. piping -- I'll have to modify the exhaust manifolds to accept this. And speaking of exhaust, Banks' recommends a dual 3-inch exhaust. Unfortunately, only a 2-1/2 inch downpipe will clear around the steering column/frame. There isn't any more room on the passenger side either.

Oh, how about hood clearance? On a stock Camaro hood, the passenger side turbo will clear! The driver's side interferes with the underhood support structure. I bet a little "massaging" will solve this problem. I have a Glasstek cowl hood and there are no clearance problems with it.

How about intake/air cleaner ducting? It has to be totally custom. In my case, I've retained the ATI twin intercoolers so my plumbing will be more involved. Speaking of plumbing, the washer bottle cannot be used and neither can the radiator overflow bottle. Both are smack dab in the way of both turbo outlets. This is not necessarily the case if you choose to port them directly to the throttle body with no intercoolers.

With all these "minor" issues, I wouldn't call this kit "complete".

If you're looking for "around 500hp", this is not the kit for you. Jason Wilcox of Banks' has told me, "ONE of your turbos is capable of making 600hp!" And definitely not a cheap build, although my setup will be quite unique on a third gen.

I've almost worked out all these issues so hopefully by early next year, I'll have the TT kit bolted on and running. The pic below is a mockup on a friend's 305 TPI we did last year when he had to remove the heads for some machining.

sleepybu

CrazyHawaiian

I'm gonna second everyones opinion that there are more cost effective and easier ways to make 500hp with a SBC. I would only go this route if you really want turbo. My Vortech S-Trim kit could be built to push 500hp with the right motor and some other additions (like an IC, sufficient fuel system, and good tuning), and you get to retain the stock serpentine system, and even the A/C! There are many other S/C systems out there that are capable as well. Nitrous would be another great way to reach the power level you want and retain all the stock stuff. And you always have the choice of going all motor N/A and hitting 500hp, though its definately going to be a custom build, possibly even an aftermarket block.

Even with this said, if you really want to go turbo you can do it, its just gonna take more work and probably more money. Its definately not going to be bolt in by any means.

Wow Willie, after reading that I'm really glad I dont have to deal with emmisions and I decided to delete the A/C (need to use the engine bay room for my injection cell). Sorry to hear you gotta go through all that trouble!! I really had no idea about the power steering pump, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Good luck with your install!!

Fastkingcab

I am starting to stray away from the TT TPI in favor of a more "tipical" enging swap into my truck.

but What if yor only accy. was a single wire alternator? No A/C no P/S no AIR injection??? I have seen low mounted Alt's before why??

Willie

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....No A/C no P/S no AIR injection??? I have seen low mounted Alt's before why??

You can, as long as it's mounted close to the engine centerline. The primary obstruction are the two wastegates. And don't forget about the water pump!!

Willie

D's89IROCZ

I hear ya there . I am trying to mod my "kit" I got for a single setup . I have to ruin the ceramic coating to put in new AIR lines also , If I want to retain the A/C I have to convert BAC to a v belt pully system . I am still up in the air on that one .

Fastkingcab .....like mentioned before , you don't need two turbo's to hit 500 hp . BBS makes a "kit" for 650 hp at 6 psi of boost . So imagine if you crank it up

Fastkingcab

Anyone have a link to the BBS system? All I get out of Google is the wheel company.

how much do I need to put into my long block budget to do 500WHP daily?



My problem in that for $7000-8000 TOTAL in can have a garenteed 500WHP with a nissan 3.0L V6 and I could use off the shelf mounts to install it.

I think a Twin Turbo V8 would be cooler than a plain TT 3.0 V6 but how hard will it be to pull off a 500-700WHP Twin turbo SBC?

kaseobeer2585

found it http://www.bbsdesigns.net/cgi-local/...a34+1119697856

83 Crossfire TA

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you’re kidding right? I’m in no way proposing that this is a reliable way of going, but I know of half a dozen cars that run 9’s for 2 seasons or more at a time with a stock, cast piston short block, and usually when they go the go because of some tuning mistake, though in one case it was a bent crank… I can think of lots of people that just go to the JY, grab a 350 or something close, bolt their “good” heads, intake, power adder… to the crusty jy jewel, beat on it for a couple of years and then go and get another for $100…

Fastkingcab

THAT EXACTLY what I want to DO!!!! !!!

Fastkingcab

That BBS kit looks right up my alley

I'm thinking I'll slap a used SBC into the truck with the TPI injection I already have, Twin turbo it and boost untill it breaks, turn it down a notch and get a that new 290hp long block. TT V8 is just to cool not to do and even If I don't hit 400WHP i'll still have fun and keep my budget.

head

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fastkingcab
[B]I know the Banks kit is on the pricy side but it's compleete. I was thinking of getting just thier manifods but they are $1,800.00 for the set. Turbos will be around $2K and the waste gates will be near $500. So I would be just barley under thier $4,700.00 anyway.

I thoight all day today that I don't think I would mind a huge single turbo. A little more lag, the same power & half the cost. But it's just not as cool as twins.


I was realy hoping that crate engine would do better that what you say would 400WHP be pushing it? 300WHP???


I'm not used to the small block yet in any way, I know the last engine I had in this project was a Bone stock Nissan 3.0L with a T3/TO4E-60 turbo that made just short of 350WHP out of an engine that had a 140WHP baseline


I'll look for BBS thought thanks,

head

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I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY ORIG REPLY ? PREVIEWED IT AND ALL BUTS ITS GONE. FWIW I'M IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT AS WILLIE AND CRAZY HAWIIAN. BANKS PARTS ARE EXPENSIVE AS HECK, AND THE KITS ARE NOT TOTALY COMPLETE !! I COULD KICK MYSELF FOR THE AMOUT I'VE SPENT WITH LESS PARTS THAN THIS WWW.CGI.EBAY.COM/EBAYMOTORS/ITEM=4568271966 $3494.00

Dustin Mustangs

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I would stand on one leg and bark like a dog if anyone can make 500 rwhp with that LONG BLOCK (W/O nitrous).

Fastkingcab

It's a FACT that if you can make X amout of HP with nitrous you can make the same if not more HP with boost in most every case.

I'm not saying that block can handle 500RWHP but if It could on the juice it could just as easy do it with boost. there is less shock involved.

83 Crossfire TA

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What long block is that?

Do you have a video camera?

Dustin Mustangs

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Check the original post.

Yes, and I am by no means afraid of making an @ss of myself...

83 Crossfire TA

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hit it with some boost and some race gas...

seafire

I am also twin turboing my firebird with a v8 short block I got from summit. What a pain let me tell you there is no such thing as a "bolt on " anything for my car. But I did buy the banks manifolds after trial with three different turbo manifolds from ebay. The clearance issues I solved by cutting off where the external waste gate comes out and welding a plate over the end so I can use my pulley system. I will try to attach picture