formul8!!

I plan on redoing the whole suspension on my '89 Formula this winter. I would like tubular a-arms, but the only one making them is PA Racing.

I know your qulity record better than theirs and would like to know if you will be making them in the near future. I see that you have added the billet strut mounts, which I definitely plan on buying from you.

Any insight of the upcoming thirdgen products would be great.

Thanks!

AGood2.8

I have sent an email or two in the past on this. Might as well jump in and support this post also. I would buy them tonight, its the only thing my car lacks and I am not buying them from PARacing

Dewey316

i would be in for a set also.

i have been looking into a couple options for getting myself a set made, but so far nothing has come from it.

Jackal8069

I'm curious, how much are the PA tubular A-arms?

SteveSpohn

Here's some updates on what we have going on. I haven't been on as much lately to keep people informed because I've been busy....we're currently working on buying a larger shop (8,000 sq. ft.), we're hoping to make settlement in October. We outgrew our current location over a year ago, but the real estate market is tough (and expensive).

Once we have that in place we'll have the capability of expanding our product lines and inventory. All R&D going on right now is based around the front of the car. At this point in my business, I truley feel we have the rear suspension designs mastered, and I don't think I can make things any better. We have a few new torque arms coming out for some more transmission swaps, Richmond 6 speed, 4L80E, and LS1 Swap/4L60E/T56. We will also soon be releasing a full length transmission mounted adjustable torque arm.

Within the next week or so we'll be releasing a new front brake kit for those looking for more then what the 1LE has to offer. This kit will have 13" rotors and Wilwood 4 piston calipers, and everything fits under a stock 16" wheel More details on that in the very near future.

That'll be it until I'm moved and settled in to the new shop. What can you expect in early '04? You'll see tubular a-arms, strut tower braces for carb, TBI, and TPI, and tubular k-members. We'll be looking to various things with the k-members, like std. motor mounts, LS1 motor mounts, OEM steering, Pinto Rack, 4thGen power rack. It'll be good stuff. If you're in a hurry, don't bother emailing or calling about this stuff, if you're not in a hurry, you'll see it in '04, and it'll be sweet

Steve

Dewey316

steve,

great news. i am hoping that you make a k-member more suited for road racing. that has been alot of peoples gripe with the PA unit.

SteveSpohn

Our k-member will be designed for the rigors of a daily driver/road race environment. It'll still be a great weight savings, but I'm not going to be focused on a feather-weight drag only piece. There will be plenty of triangulated tubular supports, and fully welded/gussetted a-arm mounts. I will also only do a K in mild steel, no 4130.

Steve

SteveSpohn

Teaser!

92RS shearn

Wow thats great news. I will be just about ready to do the front end by next spring. Those brakes look pretty sweet.

I too was weary about the tubular A arms and K member from PA. If they will be as good as your rear susp. stuff I will definitly pick up a set.

-any idea on the price of them? Not looking for an exact one, just an idea

Kat

iTrader: (4)

Holy **** ya out grew your shop!! That place is huge already!

Keep up the good work !! Now if I ever get a real job I might be able to afford to get some more stuff..

Kat

formul8!!

Damn you, Steve! You just had to show that teaser pic of the brakes....

I was planning on the Baer front kit, but since a 4 piston front sounds better than a two piston....

So, my list for the winter is:

-Aluminum strut mounts
-Tubular a-arms
-Bilstein shocks/struts
-Hothckis springs
-Spohn torque arm
-That wonder brake kit pictured above

Justins86bird

I'd be interested in a a-arm/k-member kit thats up to the challange of daily pothole filled roads.

REVLIMIT

cool...I've been wanting tubular a arms but have been hesitant to buy from PA racing also. But if you guys are making one then I'll wait.

EvilCartman

iTrader: (1)

Ditto I'll be doing the rear suspension bits before the year is out.

Dewey316

hey i reconize those! been kinda hard to keep them a secret.

so everyone i can tell you, those wilwoods have some serious stopping power. i am sure you won't be disappointed if you are looking for a big brake upgrade. i don't know what steves pricing is going to be, but i can say with pretty good confidince, that they will be priced WELL below what a 4piston baer kit would cost.

SLP IROC-Z

iTrader: (1)

this is great! all my questions are answerd, looks like this spring i might have a whole lotta spohn front end parts, and that 4th gen power rack and pinion tubular K member is just what ive been lookin for!

CaysE

Huge?? It's a two car garage with a 15 ft ceiling and two rooms in the back. ok, it's a little bigger than that, but they could definitely use a bigger shop.

Good news to hear, Steve... looks like I'll be expanding my wish list. I too have been questioning the PA Racing tubular A-arms, and now have something solid to look forward to. Any news on strut tower braces and possibly steering components?

ZFORCE

Can we put together a group purchase for some of this stuff?

What are the price ranges for these parts?

tj

laiky

think i'll wait till 04 to upgrade my brakes

JimmyG-91Z

Will the brake upgrade require a different/modified spindle?, or will it use the stock spindle?

Also will there be different options for the discs? (plain, slotted, cross drilled, zinc washed, etc.)

This may be the perfect kit for me!

Kat

iTrader: (4)

Compared to what I have.. Yeah it is. lol I live in a row home with a 15'x10' garage.. So what Steve had is fuggin nice.

Kat

soulbounder

Oh great. . .
I can see it now. These things are gonna be on back order the first week they are released.
So where's the waiting list?

Dewey316

i am not steve, but i do know quite abit about his wilwood setup. it uses modified stock spindles, i am not sure what will be inluded in steve's kit, like new spindles, and a core, or requires you to modify yourself. but it is based on a 1le spindle, or a stock spindle with the typical 1le mods to it.

SteveSpohn

Spindle gets modded identical to a 1LE. The 1LE+ CD will be included with the kit for detailed instructions on how to mod the spindles, or you can have us do it for you, just like we offer with the 1LE kit.

You can get std. rotors, or drilled and slotted rotors, those will be the only options for this kit.

This brake kit will be up this week. I'll post on here with the web link when they go up. We're just working out the final details.

Steve

wm_sorg

Are 1LE spindles required for this kit?

alloy

iTrader: (16)

1LE spindles are nothing more than modified stock sprindles.

Justins86bird

Will the hubs move the wheels out farther like the 1LE kit does or will it stay the same as the stock 10.5 brakes?

wm_sorg

What about them is different?

alloy

iTrader: (16)

The wheels will be moved out 3/16" of an inch. I've been running 255/60 R16 race tires with them moved out 3/16" and have no problems at all with this setup.


wm_sorg:

Take a look at this web page and it will give you an idea of what's needed to modify the spindles. The kit will include a fully illustrated CD on how to do the mods to your spindles.

http://www.ws6transam.org/1LEbrake.html#1LEfront

formul8!!

WOO WOOO!!!! That means no more spacer is needed on my front RONALS with this kit!

Can't wait.... :lala:

alloy

iTrader: (16)

You don't have to wait! And, no spacer needed. These fit perfectly under my 87 wheels.

And, for another teaser pic, what do ya think of this

Justins86bird

That was what I was thinking, but
3/16" = .1875"
the ronal spacers are 8mm so
8mm = .3150"
so it looks like that a spacer is still required.

killer305

iTrader: (1)

great news next summer i plan on redoing the whole front end including k-member a-arms and the like, and those wilwood brakes will match my pro-streets out back:hail: :lala: :lala: :hail:

Z28guy83

well steve im happy with the last parts that i bought from you and am looking to buy tubular a-arms and if they are as good as your rear stuff itll be worth the wait

AGood2.8

Here's a diagram of how the standard spindles are modified to 1LE spindles- not much to it.

Alloy/Spohn, Thats a nice setup- I'm interested. I'll have to call and talk to you about some possible options or maybe a partial kit. I want a little more of an upgrade (possible 6 piston & 2pc lightweight rotor.)-if it will still fit under a 16"Iroc.

SteveSpohn

Pro-Series 13" Big Brake Kit

alloy

iTrader: (16)

I guess I didn't quite understand what you guys were getting at about wheel spacers. What I meant was there are no additional spacers required to run this kit with stock wheels. And if you have aftermarket wheels, the extra 3/16" shouldn't hurt anything.

Justins86bird

Alloy, both me and formul8! have the Ronal/SLP Firehawk rims. The fronts need spacers to clear the tie rods with stock brakes but not 1LEs. 1LE brakes don't need them because they space the rim farther out by about 1/2". Thats why I was perticulary interested in finding out how much farther out the Wilwood kit spaced them. I had hoped that no spacers at all would be needed, but unfortunantly is appears a spacer will still have to be use with the Firehawk rims.

As for the extra 3/16" out per side, I think that is good. Helps widen the track of the front end.

formul8!!

Running the spacers while autocrossing and road racing make nervous. I do not trust the 1/8" of thin metal to that high of loads.

Matt87GTA

Did you guys try a GTA wheel?

alloy

iTrader: (16)

I've have been trying to get Schultzy to bring one of his GTA wheels down to me, but his car is down for a new engine, it's it's sitting over a hundred miles away. So, no not yet.

But I'm told that the 85-86 and 87-88 style wheels are the worst for clearence. The best wheels for clearence are the 90 and up wheel along with the TA cross lace wheels.