TBI Throttle Body Injection discussion and questions. L03/CFI tech and other performance enhancements.

Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-10-2002, 10:49 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRoy91RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 560
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 RS Convertible
Engine: 355
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 peg leg
Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads?

Ok, I think I may have found one reason why I'm having such trouble getting my car to run. My question is three-fold:

1)The castings on my heads say 10110810. The part number runs parallel to the firewall with the heads installed. Some sources on this page say they are 305 TBI heads. I've looked other places on the net. Some concur, but most other places say they are 93-up 350 TBI heads. WHAT the HECK are they?

2) The reason why I ask is that a well-reputed machine shop built this engine, and told me that it was a 355. If these really are 305 heads, how can I tell if my block is 350 or 305 without pulling the heads? (I.E. where is the part number on the block??) I'm beginning to wonder if I got ripped off.

3) If these are 350 heads, are they worth anything at all? Can they be worked to flow decently, or would it be more cost effective to buy a set of assembled Vortecs (I know of a place where I can get assembled Vortecs for 350 a set!!)
3a) Is it safe to run a cam with my lift (see sig.) on the 10110810 heads? What about the Vortecs? I know that people say the Vortecs are good UP To .480 lift, but what about .480 on intake and exhaust? Am I pushing it?

Thank you guys as always for helping me with the tough ones!!

James

Last edited by JRoy91RS; 02-10-2002 at 11:09 PM.
Old 02-10-2002, 11:25 PM
  #2  
TGO Supporter

 
Keith5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Wilmington NC
Posts: 1,231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: C1500
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
On www.mortec.com the heads show up as this:

10110810...91-up...350..........Gen. 1


http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm

On the side of the block on the bottom you should be able to see 3 numbers cast into the block. Those are the last 3 numbers of the casting number. That should be enough to see if your block is a 350 or 305.
Old 02-10-2002, 11:29 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRoy91RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 560
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 RS Convertible
Engine: 355
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 peg leg
Yeah, I saw that page, too. I was wondering, though, because I searched the archives here and the consensus was that they are 305 heads. Do you know anything about them?
Old 02-10-2002, 11:38 PM
  #4  
TGO Supporter

 
Keith5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Wilmington NC
Posts: 1,231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: C1500
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Originally posted by JRoy91RS
Yeah, I saw that page, too. I was wondering, though, because I searched the archives here and the consensus was that they are 305 heads. Do you know anything about them?
All I know is what is on mortec.
Old 02-12-2002, 02:07 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRoy91RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 560
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 RS Convertible
Engine: 355
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 peg leg
Anyone else know anything about these heads?
Old 02-12-2002, 03:32 PM
  #6  
Tas
Supreme Member

 
Tas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Posts: 4,310
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
ask the tech guys at www.sdpc2000.com . They're pretty helpful.
Old 02-16-2002, 03:08 AM
  #7  
Member
 
Audiman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Kent,Washington
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I dont know if this guy will help you but you can try him. Scott at the parts depot in Bellevue,WA. Brooks Chevrolet. Ask him to run the cast numbers under the V.C. thru the computer.
Old 08-03-2011, 12:19 PM
  #8  
Junior Member
 
gilbert011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

If I may add my two cents here. I am a hobby engine builder. I came across these heads 10110810 about 2 weeks ago for pretty much free (20.00). I also has the same question as to what the heck they were 305 or 350 heads. Here is what I found out after 2 weeks every day of asking around and asking local machine shop in my area (West Texas).

The casting was reused for both 305 and 350. I asked how to tell and the most common answer I got was: if you have them removed measure the intake valve, if they are 305's they will have a 1.84 measurement, and if they are 350's they will have 1.94 measurement. Another way to tell is the "meat" or material between the chambers should be just under 0.5" (half an inch). Well I did just that yesterday afternoon with a new digital caliper I just bought. I got lucky and based on the info I got mine are 350 centerbolt heads. If you cannot remove or do not have your heads removed, sorry. In my area there was two mechanics (not engine builders) that said that sometimes you can tell a 305 casting and 350 casting by the way the casting number is situated on the head. 350 casting is vertical to the sides of the cylinder head. I would not put too much stock in this method but it is something to look at. Hope I made this clear as mud as we say here in these parts.
Old 08-04-2011, 02:49 PM
  #9  
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
woody80z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Walton, NY
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 80 Camaro Z28
Engine: ~400hp Vortec 355ci
Transmission: T56 6-speed
Axle/Gears: 4.10 Moser 8.5" 10-bolt
Re: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

I found these heads on a stock 94 1-ton truck 350 last month. They have sodium-filled exhaust valves and valve rotators. Ports & chambers are about the same as a typical 193 swirl port, with just a little bit less of a swirl ramp.
Old 08-04-2011, 09:17 PM
  #10  
Junior Member
 
Dixiemudder4x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

I don't have any input on what heads you have but I can tell you from experience the standard head from a 350 tbd motor will not clear .480 lift. Bit with a little machining you can do it. The guides are too tall and need cut down. If the head is off and spring removed you can measure the difference between full open and closed. I had mine machined to .500 make sure to give at least .020 extra. I believe springs are rated that way. But I would have gone with the vortec heads if they were available.
Old 08-07-2011, 12:07 AM
  #11  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (2)
 
Fast355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hurst, Texas
Posts: 10,036
Received 392 Likes on 335 Posts
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

Originally Posted by Dixiemudder4x4
I don't have any input on what heads you have but I can tell you from experience the standard head from a 350 tbd motor will not clear .480 lift. Bit with a little machining you can do it. The guides are too tall and need cut down. If the head is off and spring removed you can measure the difference between full open and closed. I had mine machined to .500 make sure to give at least .020 extra. I believe springs are rated that way. But I would have gone with the vortec heads if they were available.
~.450 is where the ports stall on these heads anyway, can't see the logic to cut them down and go for more lift. I did once, made good power, but lost alot of torque in the process. I swapped a stock LT1 cam with 1.6:1 rockers and that is about .490" lift, never touched anything other than the springs and retainers.
Old 02-18-2012, 06:35 PM
  #12  
Member
 
hatemail72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Niagara Region Ontario Canada
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: this and Dodge Dakota Quad
Engine: 383 tbi
Transmission: 700 R4
Axle/Gears: 3-73
Re: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.

we still dont have a answer I am looking at buying a used engine for $350. It is a runnng 350 block with computer is it worth keeping these heads. what have you found out
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
xkingcodex
Engine Swap
14
02-12-2020 07:43 PM
Jake_92RS
Tech / General Engine
8
01-28-2020 10:37 PM
Dwayne614
Engine Swap
5
09-28-2015 08:33 AM
MoJoe
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
11
09-24-2015 09:12 PM
st.evel07
Engine Swap
5
08-13-2015 06:15 PM



Quick Reply: Alright, alright are these 305 or 350 heads.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:11 PM.