azvolfan

The heads I bought have a casting number of 14102187. The specs are 1.84"/1.5".

Can anyone tell me more about them?

Thanks.

Bill

RB83L69

IIRC those are swirl-port TBI heads.... I hope you didn't actually pay money for them, if that's what they are....

kfoley

Here's what Mortec says:

14102187...87-91...305..........1.84"/1.5" valves

Doesn't say anything about being TBI's or not. I'd pull an intake valve and check out the port. If it's got a big vane in it, they're better off as boat anchors or a door stop in your garage, anything besides actually being on a motor...

azvolfan

I just e-mailed the guy I bought them from today and he said they came off and IROC 305 TPI.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

I have an LB9 that had one 081 (correct) and one 187 (TBI) head on it. So, although he might be telling the "truth", that doesn't make them TPI heads.

RB83L69

"Came off of" does not equal "came from the factory on". For all you know, he might have set them on the hood of a 305 TPI car, so he could then tell you truthfully that they "came off of" such a car.

Basically, he lied to you. Those aren't TPI heads. They're swirl-port junk no matter what he (or anybody else) took them off of. You got ripped.

I hope you didn't pay any money for them. I would seriously consider paying somebody not to send me a pair of them, under some circumstances. I would not willingly accept them for free. Under no conditions would I give anybody money for them.

azvolfan

Yep. Vader just PM'd me about them. They are TBI heads. Which is what I have on the car now. I paid him $25 busck for them. And the shipping was $65. I have another set coming. Hopefully I will have more luch with them. They are supposedly
pre-87 TPI heads.

We will see.

Thanks.

Bill

RB83L69

Get the casting number and make sure it really is what you think it is before you get taken again.

The casting number you want, out of all the perimeter-bolt 305 heads, is the 416 casting. Don't spend any money unless it's that one.

azvolfan

What about the 081 casting. Are they any good?

kfoley

Yes, they're basically (IIRC) the same casting as the 416, except they might be centerbolts.

Vader

AZvol,

You didn't need my opinion. If RB and 5-7 tell you they are doorstops, they are doorstops. Might make good mud anchors, too.

Yes, from what I can determine, the '081 port/cooling cores are basically a clone of the '416 cores, but with a different outer core and machining for perimeter rocker covers, 72° center intake bolts, and self-aligning rockers.

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RB,

How many sets will you pay NOT to have shipped to you. I can pro'lly scrounge up a bumch. I know one guy who can drop-ship a pair almost right away...

I hope your basement is empty.

azvolfan

Thanks for all the info guys. Its all my fault for not being more informed before I purchased. I'm willing to take the heat here. It's the same thing when I bought my Camaro, I had no idea there were different engine combo's. I thought I was buying a car in the 220hp range. But like I said I went in blind. So my fault there too. However I can't complain too much about that becasue the car has been awesome since day one. The LO3 may be underpowered but it is bullet proof.

Thanks for all the info guys.

Bill

305sbc

iTrader: (3)

cam? well you pick the duration to match the RPM range you plan to make your power in. You pick the lift to match the flow characteristics of your heads after they've been ported.

F-BIRD'88

The 081's are the 305 TPI version of the L-98 350 TPi heads (083)

The have smaller 1.84x 1.50 valves and 58cc chambers.
They are a good head ( probabily better than 416's) for a budget
hi- perf buildup. They will need larger 350sized 1.94 x 1.60valves and full porting, with some chamber unshrouding.

They have a nicer combustion chamber with better plug placement than the 416's.

They will port up just as good at the L-98 cast heads (083)

llvll4l2c91350

i have some 191 TBI heads for sale that "came off" my L98 TPI if anyone's interested.

FlamedROC

I hope I'm not the BAD GUY here!! But I know that I'm the one that sold you the pre-87 TPI heads. I'm catchin alot of heat from azvolfan cause of an absolute bull-**** shippin experience with UPS. I shipped the heads out on 11/18 and they STILL have not been able to provide me with a shipping number as well as deliver them around the specified delivery date. If you are at all dissatisfied with my heads I will definitely not hesitate to come up with a decent refund. Now I (the moron I am) don't remember the casting numbers but I guarantee that they are 100% TPI Heads! UPS Please get him his heads!!

Jason

azvolfan

Nope. Different heads. I bought two sets. Yours have not arrived yet.

We will just have to play it by ear until UPS gets their stuff together.

No worries.

Bill

azvolfan

Jason,

Heads have arrived. Don't know where UPS had them but I think they are due some pretty serious frequent traveler miles. All is well. Thanks for working from your end on this.

Bill

FlamedROC

Well I'm really glad to see that you got them even though they are a week late. UPS just cannot get it right...I think it was the weight of the package. But I'm glad to hear that u got them..BTW I would like to know what the part numbers are on the heads? Just so I know I sold ya the "true" TPI heads. enjoy em' goodjob:

Jason

azvolfan

They are the '416' casting number just like I wanted and just like you said.

Thanks.

TexasB4C

iTrader: (1)

did anyone have a problem using the 416 heads on an 87-up tpi engine, im worried about the valve cover clearance and dont have a set of valve covers yet and want to know if i need the tall or short ones?
no ones answering my other post about this so im trying to see if anyone that tried it on this tpoic had any problems with their setup?
i see that the ones on it now have a 2" tall valve cover and that the alternator is right on top of it in the way so i need to know if the 416 heads would also put it right in the way

thanks for any help
tim

azvolfan

You need the short ones. The tall valve covers are significantly taller. It's pretty easy to tell the difference.

You will also need perimter bolt valve covers for the 416's.

TexasB4C

iTrader: (1)

thanks alot thats all i needed to find out....
so the short valve covers will clear everything fine on a TPI setup....
just asking because I think the front accessories are setup diff on a TBI right?

thanks for the help now i can finally buy some vavle covers lol

tim

azvolfan

The accessories were set up different because the 416 heads were used on cars that had the v-belt set up. By the time the 081 heads were used, the 305 went to serpentine setups. But the short vavle covers will still clear everything.

Randy82WS7

everything will bolt fine
accessories holes in the heads are same 86 older 87-95

i have a set of 4416's i yanked from an 86 carb 305 pickup that were gonna get wasted to shredder :O

i got whole engine for free it busted a rod so he didnt want it

i think im gonna put them on my 87 L03 tbi pickup

because the 187 heads are probably cracked or are at least very warped

it was burnig alot of water and had alot of water in the oil pan

so hum

im gonna hog the four middle tbi intake holes and do whater i have to to get the bolts to go in


hows yours going ?

good luck

azvolfan

Mine is working just fine. Runs good but is still slow. Best I was able to get was a 15.5. But I pretty sure that's a cam problem.

The only problem I had with the 416 heads was that the center bolts would not fit with the Edelbrock TBI manifold I used. The plenum on the Edelbrock is much wider than the stock manifold. So the bolts would not fit in the angled center holes. What we did was take a 4 legths of screws all in about 8" - 10" lengths and bend them so they would come out of the heads and go straight up. Then the intake would slide right down on top of them. Then just tightened them up with some bolts. It's been over a year and no problems.

Wish we had taken some pics of that.