musclecar70sfan

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And it passed. So I guess it's true that the stupid AIR pumps do nothing but clutter the engine bay and just put additional drag on the engine. I'm not sure how this will fly in other states, especially those with inspections or even stricter emissions regulations, but in CT it looks like you're fine. Although I thought I'd mention that my car has a FRESH tune up (only about 300 miles on the ignition parts) with better than OEM parts, those being Moroso wires, Accel coil/cap/rotor, fresh AC Delco plugs and a very recent sea foaming. I also ran 93 octane gas for this too which might've helped as well. Some might say that those ignition parts are overkill for a stock LB9, but I felt a difference while driving. Back on topic, I just used the info in this article for the smog pump delete.

https://www.thirdgen.org/serpentine

Now I don't have to worry about finding headers with those stupid AIR tubes. If anybody wants, I can post up the printout they handed me with the numbers. I'm actually kinda curious to see if I passed with flying colors or if I barely scraped by because I have no clue what those numbers mean.

sofakingdom

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Way to go.

It's still BREAKING THE LAW. Still UNWELCOME here. Still WRONG. Still USELESS and INEFFECTIVE.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech.../630294-a.html

For those who want to know what this is about.

Please ignore this useless post and continue to post in the other one.

calamitascamaro

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Now you're just being abrasive yourself musclecarfan.

musclecar70sfan

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No, I just wanted to clean that crap up and return to the original subject. Tired of seeing my inbox filling up with notifications of stupid back and forth bickering as a result of me throwing my 2 cents in. Gimme a break guys! I just wanted to help!

BlackenedBird

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You've proved that if an engine ls fresh & everything working CORRECTLY, an engine can pass without the smog pump. We've all known that & proved it many times over, myself included.

However....It is still illegal to remove everything & the car should still fail just based on the Federal required parts have been tampered with.

It would be great if the Emissions portion of the Inspections were based on just 1 thing....How clean is the exhaust. But it isn't & therefore illegal to tamper with anything, even if you can do it better & cleaner than with the required parts in place.

Stevolwevol

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Illegal to tamper with?????

I always read about replacing cams, intake, converting tpi to carb and I read this crap?

sofakingdom

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You're NOT HELPING. You're doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of "helping".

Any HACK can get into their car and just HACK stuff off. Just because you ACCIDENTALLY passed inspection IN SPITE OF the bad HACK JOB you did on your car, is PURE DUMB LUCK. Doesn't make it a good idea. Doesn't make it worth broadcasting. Doesn't make it the "right thing to do" for ANYBODY ELSE.

Don't worry, after you get a couple more years and a few more life changes under your belt, you'll understand. You can be all full of enthusiasm for your HACK now; let's see how it holds up to the test of time.

Come back in 10 or 15 years. Come back after you move to California. Come back after your state changes its laws. Come back and tell us THEN how much of a "good idea" your HACK JOB was. At some point you'll figure out, that just because you weeezled your way through something you weren't good enough to stand up to and face the RIGHT way, doesn't make you, or your HACK JOB, "superior" or "worthy" somehow.

Deleting all that stuff you wrote last time won't make your HACK JOB any better of an idea for OTHER PEOPLE to copy now, than it was before. Too bad now we all know you're afraid for the world to see hwat you REALLY think. What a shame... I didn't HAVE TO delete what I wrote. It'll stand the test of time.

It's still a bad idea to be a HACK.

five7kid

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You can replace factory equipment with certified aftermarket equipment. Hence, "emissions certified headers", "emissions certified intake", etc.

You cannot remove emissions equipment and not put something back on. You cannot remove certain equipment and replace it with uncertified equipment (such as remove TPI and replace with carb).

The sniffer is just an indicator of emissions under a certain condition; it is not an indicator of emissions under all of the conditions that a car must meet.

While sofa said it in a rather colorful manner, his technical information is spot-on. Your car may have passed the limited CT emissions test, but it is now in violation of Federal emissions laws.

Sorry, can't slice it any other way. Your car is now illegal.

BlackenedBird

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Yes, as in MODIFY. Vehicles are certified to run with certain parts in certain configurations. Any change to them is considered tampering, which means illegal.

If you modify things small, hidden & do not increase the emissions output you can "pass" the sniffer. Doesn't make it legal. Just means you found a way around it.

Stevolwevol

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EPA is the out of control wolf. I hear sheep getting in line: bah bah bah

calamitascamaro

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Very useful post. So useful in fact that most people won't comment or even acknowledge you exist, but I'm not that guy.

musclecar70sfan

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So I guess my friend's crazy expensive project involving his 86 Trans Am and a turbocharged LS engine swap is a hack because it no longer has (or needs) emissions components. Oh jeez.

I was just posting up some info and Sofa blows things out of proportion with his snotty remarks. No Sofa, I'm not afraid of criticism and if I was, I wouldn't have a job, a social life, or attend college full-time (let alone simultaneously, like I am doing now WHILE maintaining my thirdgen hobby). I'll take your criticism, I just refuse to deal with your arrogance. That and behaving the way you are while hiding behind the anonymous veil of the Internet is downright low.

But seriously, why the hell is this such an issue in my thread when, going by BlackenedBird's definition, nearly EVERYTHING on this forum is considered "illegal" as well? Are the Feds cracking down on us? Does this mean I should flame some poor kid swapping a carbed 350 into his Camaro?

Christ almighty, I just wanted to throw a bit of info out there in case anyone could have benefited or cared to know. Isn't this what TGO is all about?

Stevolwevol

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Well you are welcome to join the group you seem so eager to speak for.

Stevolwevol

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I'm with ya. I removed the belt to my smog pump. I gutted the cats also. Still no cops busting down my door.

BlackenedBird

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I didn't write the definition, I only shared what it IS, according to the books.

There are LOTS of things we can do. Removing FEDERALLY mandated (which have little to do with State stuff) parts.

stealthroc89

Your engine is designed to work with those parts and removing them will not increase anything, might actually hurt mpg's. If an officer looks at your car and notices that, he can impound your car at your expense. It might clean the engine bay a bit, but it can cause you to lose your car or get a huge fine or both! Do yourself a favor and put it back on.

Impaqt

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that would have to be one incredibly bored cop to start doing federal emissions compliance checks.

whitedevilTA

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Sounds like someone is a little butt hurt? What you are basically implying is that we should all leave our cars 100% stock and drive them that way till the day we die. Come on man, get real. Believe me, If I wanted a sports car to buy and leave stock, it sure as heck would NOT be a 3rd gen. Why? Because they are turds stock. Sure, I love the way they look, handle, and the looks you get with a nice one.... But they are pretty slow compared to most other sports cars on the road, hence the reason that after market parts are made.

Musclecar70sfan passed emmissions fair and square and did not cheat whatsoever with alcohol in the tank or anything else, so in my book, he is perfectly legal. CT has no inspection...only emmisions. If you pass you pass and thats the end of it. We don't have the typical ****'s looking under your hood because god forbid you may have touched a bolt under there. I like our freedom of being able to wrench on our cars in CT with only having an emmisions test to pass. And if you really think that him removing the 20 year old smog pump that probably didn't do much of anything by now is so bad...think about all the factories, diesel semi trucks, construction equipment, etc that is putting out WAY more bad emmisions than a car ever could. Emmissions is a joke, and the test equipment for OBD 1 is a joke as well. It is very innefficient and outdated and should be done away with period. Our next state over, MA, actually canned OBD 1 testing because they realized this, so now no vehicle 95 or older is required for testing.

IMO, emmisions testing on older cars is a scam for the state to pocket more money from us. Think about the percentage of modern cars on the road compared to 95 and older cars. I would almost guarantee that 95 and older vehicles take up MAYBE 15% of all cars on the road as daily drivers. I really don't get what the whole deal is or why you guys are so upset. Who cares. The engine bays in these cars are cluttered messes stock. The first thing I did with my old 305 TPI was rip the emmisions crap completely out. Car ran beautifully, if not better than stock, and with a cam and full bolt ons I got 18 mpg around town. Not even a hickup out of her. And to really boil your bubble, I had open valve cover breathers! Those babys have to let out some pungeant emmisions.

stealthroc89

Bored, maybe, but it DOES happen. Federal law is the same as any other law, so why would an officer look at it any different? You don't need a smog machine to see there's no smog pump, they may be lazy, but they are not dumb. The odds of one actually poping the hood is pretty low, but all it takes is that one time.........

Andrew James

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I'd like to point out that when I deleted the emissions from the 1991 Bronco my gas mileage went up by 3miles per gallon... Don't say clogged cats because they were six months old when I punched their guts out, and the mpg did not change at all with their deletion.

Emissions is in my honest opinion a government hack. We don't have emissions to "save the environment," we have it because of money and politics.

I leave it up to personal choice though, up to you whether or not you delete emissions equipment. Breaking the law? Well, I wonder how many times you broke the law today without even thinking about it. (Criminal Justice major by the way)

Back to the little flame fest.

lethaldomestics

I know CHP officer and he told me that they rarely check for federal emissions compliance because they would be impounding every other car on the highway not to mention half of the county Sheriffs personal hobbies. These checks are important mostly for repeat offenders and the most obvious dirty polluters. This however does not make it anymore legal. Just sayin. I do not condone this kind of modification but i believe some one on TG is making to big a deal of it.Your car your life your decisions. I just enjoy soaking in all the info.

whitedevilTA

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Honestly, here in CT, an officer would NEVER pop your hood to check for emmisions equipment. If you have the "pass" paperwork in the car, thats all they will ever look at. It's just how things are here. Now in other states I'm sure they do things differently, but not in CT. The only thing I could ever see a cop doing...and this is if you REALLY pissed him off, is bending over to make sure a cat is under the car.

I daily drove my TA when it had the built 305 with no emmisions equipment, and every week at the local car show there were plenty of town cops that saw my car, saw the engine, and saw me drive it every day and I never heard one word.

Impaqt

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I've heard and read a couple credible emissions violation stories out of California. I know people get popped if they show up for a emissions test and fail and it turns out they dont have a cat.

I haven ever heard a credible story from anyone about getting pulled over and spot checked on their smog pump.

"a Friend".... "a guy I knew"..... "I heard"... Blah blah blah....

asked a cop friend of mine... How many times have you looked under someones hood for an "AIR" system pump? he laughed at me.....

Yes yes yes.. Its technically illegal and you could be fined thousands of dollars and spend the rest of your life in jail.

I dont think anyone around here is forcing folks.. Or even encouraging folks to remove their emissions equipment. If its not your car, why worry about it?

Mike92Firebird

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Beautifully said sir! Illinois doesn't require any form of testing for OBD1 cars, but you always get those people that say you still break federal law by removing smog crap. No cop here is ever going to Give you crap for it. It truly is up to the discretion of the owner.

And to the OP, sorry you got bashed so bad for just trying to share some info with us...

itsMikey

its funny how testy people get on forums.. who cares? its his car to be illegal with..now...stfu.

Mike92Firebird

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Right!? Thank you! Lol. People on these forums just want to share info, they don't want to be criticized by the emissions police. We understand by removing such and such we make our cars "illegal" but it's something we're prepared to deal with. Especially if it helps the car run better, I'm all for taking it off. After all the environmental pollution that happens, I doubt one old TPI 350 is gunna make that much more of an environmental footprint.

musclecar70sfan

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... no but seriously that's not gonna happen here. Trust me. And I don't plan on moving to California anytime soon either.

musclecar70sfan

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THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly, if anything I'm the only one getting in trouble right?

Exactly, they're too busy with other BS to worry about some kid without an air pump which plays no effect on emissions here to begin with. I SERIOUSLY doubt that "air pump identification on an 82-92 F-body" is a required course at the police academy.

Thanks for backing me up guys and making this forum worth staying on, unlike those who try to make you feel stupid or miserable.

Anyway, I've put over 100 miles on the car since I've yanked the smog pump out and it still runs as well as it ever did. No engine lights, no weird behavior, nothing. Runs terrific and I could swear that throttle response might've actually slightly improved. I wasn't expecting any significant gains with this, and that's not the reason I even did this for anyway. Here's the true method behind my madness:

I got a notice in the mail recently saying that I had an emissions test due soon, so I figured I'd try this little test and get a new belt to attempt this 30 minute job.

Now if the car failed, no big deal, I would just throw the pump back on and run it through again because we get free retests in this state. However it passed and that gives me the chance to get headers without the air tubes (which tend to be less expensive) and clean up my engine bay.

I have searched this topic on TGO before, and all I found was speculation and "he said, she said" stories. So I figured I'd see for myself and share my results in case anyone else was searching for serious evidence. However, instead of getting thanked or promoting relevant discussion (initially anyway) I was welcomed by butthurt geezers on TGO ripping me a new one for tweaking my own car. I would have preferred people ignoring this thread completely rather than filling it with their own ego.

And BlackenedBird, so what if this has been proved over and over? I've seen countless threads here repeating the same information and do you know what I do when I see them? I politely ignore them and click on the next one, rather than backhanding those who are just trying to help. They're called "manners." Same goes to you Sofa, now go take your pristine thirdgen for a cruise and pat yourself on the back for not "hacking" it rather than wasting everyone's time with your ego and slamming those playing with THEIR OWN cars. It's my Trans Am (my baby) and I just tried to help. Now if you STILL object to this, all I can say is f*** off.

BlackenedBird

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Usually things are repeated because people are too lazy to click on Search & find the information for themselves. They want it handed to them.

The problem with your Post is that others may read it, think it is legal to do (which it is not), do it to their car & wonder why they get ticketed/fail inspection/car impounded/whatever. Then they get pissed at TGO because "I read it was legal to do". So the problem we are having is that you are telling people it is legal to do. It isn't. As long as people say "I did (whatever) even though it is illegal to do", then nobody will give you grief over your Post. Stop implying that it is legal to do & we will have less to say. Obviously it will NOT cost you horsepower to stay legal, just hurts the wallet a little more for things like the smog legal headers.

musclecar70sfan

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And apparently you're one of those people too lazy to read the entire post first, but if I MUST point it out to you, here's my disclaimer in the original post:

BlackenedBird

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I am not the lazy one...YOU are. I have read every single word in this entire thread.

Despite YOUR States lack of Inspection procedure...IT IS STILL ILLEGAL TO REMOVE ANY OF THE EMISSIONS STUFF. Period. End of story. Do not pass Go. What part of that do you not comprehend? You are implying that it is legal to do in CT, it isn't. You just got lucky that nobody noticed.

musclecar70sfan

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HAHA still doesn't explain why I had to point out the disclaimer to you.

Did I say it's not illegal? No, however LEGAL OR NOT NOBODY ESPECIALLY IN THIS STATE GIVES TWO S**TS ABOUT WHAT'S UNDER MY HOOD ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT MY CAR PASSED AN EMISSIONS TEST. Period. End of story. What part do YOU not comprehend?

And I see that you edited your post; how can I get lucky that nobody noticed if there's no chance that anyone will care to look to begin with? LOL

BlackenedBird

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#1, I did NOT Edit my post. Added, but not Edited.
#2, You did NOT point out a single this that I had not read already. It just made you feel good to say it twice.

Basically, you are just a little teenager (if your older than that, then you are merely acting like one) since your first thread about this got messed up so you started a 2nd one on the SAME DAY. Face it, you can say it all you want & start new threads all you want. You still did something ILLEGAL. That is what we all have a problem with. You are implying that what you did was legal, when it isn't. That is all any of us care about. We simply do not want people reading illegal things & thinking they are told are. That is all we care about. That is what YOU missed in this entire thread. Do what you want to your own car, just don't tell people things are legal when they aren't.

And yes..You have been implying that it is legal. And with your language, you do realize that the Admins will not take kindly to your posts. Clean up your language & attitude.

In fact...I'm done dealing with your childish attitude. We have told others that what you have done is illegal. Now it is up to them to break the law & follow you or not. Unsubscribing so that I don't have to read your childish remarks.

musclecar70sfan

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You know what.... good riddance.

Stevolwevol

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The gear heads I hang with are nothing like the do right "don't break the law" **** types on this thread. I mean jeezzz! It's illegal to burn rubber right???? Any of you goodie goodies gonna slam this???? It wouldn't surprise me now!

whitedevilTA

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Well today alone, I drove 5-10 mph over the speed limit repeadedly on a few different roads, smoked a cigar and threw the butt out the window, leaked a bunch of antifreeze on the ground and didn't clean it up, and took my half assembled car for a quick test drive around the block unregistered and uninsured....and pulled out right in front of a cop on the side of the road who looked at me and turned back to what he was doing. And you know what? All of that is probably more of an offense than pulling a damn smog pump out.

You guys talk like your all saints and wrote the book of law. You make it seem like you have never once and will never do anything illegal...even as minor as it may be. Last time I checked you had to be 16 to drive. I'm pretty sure that most any 16 year old or older doesn't need you holding thier hand and telling them that something like this is against emmisions laws. Trust me, they all know. I knew when I ripped all mine out back when I was 18. Were hotrodders, not police officers. I know plenty of guys that run alcohol and some crazy concoction in thier tank just to pass a sniffer with a built carbed engine. Doesn't make them some derelict law hating junkie...they are car guys like the rest of us that want to enjoy thier car on the street.

And as far as giving TGO a bad name...that is laughable. There are TONS of guys in the LTX and LSX swap section with built motors that wouldn't pass an emmissions test if thier lives depended on it, and you are going to criticize musclecar70sfan for pulling a smog pump and giving the forum a bad name? Please...

musclecar70sfan

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True story!

blackdoutgta5.7

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yep me too just the other day infact, running a smog delete 350...

JekyllandHyde

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I wouldn't even think that a typical cop would even be able to tell the difference between a smog pump and an air compressor...

They did start doing emissions checks here in NY at local cruise outs though. They had cops checking under cars for cats and looking under the hoods of certain cars that looked heavily modified. A lot of people were slapped with summonses for everything that was not street legal.

whitedevilTA

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Wow man, now THAT is low... Checking out cars at a car show? Give me a break. Local PD over there must be pretty desperate for money. If I saw them doing that I'd shut my hood and boo them the whole time they were there.

musclecar70sfan

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Wow, fascism at it's finest. If I was there I'd keep my hood shut and make them get a warrant if they want it opened. Unbelievable.

hellz_wings

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I have smog deleted as well.. Granted, it wasn't there when I bought the car but i've actually asked many people around here who know alot about cars (guys who actually worked with GM in the 90's and early 2000's and who built Firehawks for GM.. Yes.. they were built in Quebec!) and they all said AIR is pretty much useless, unless you need to pass a sniffer test or a visual test, but they don't do either one where I live. Hell, you don't even need to get an inspection unless your car has not been registered for over a year..

I also had a gutted cat, but to make things cleaner and quiet down the exhaust I bought a non-AIR cat that works fine now.

I have to mention this as it hasn't been mentioned yet.. But removing the smog stuff will cause the O2 sensor to run 100mv leaner because of how AIR injects oxygen into the manifolds. It's not a huge difference and probably won't be noticeable by anyone, and it doesn't throw a code, but worthy of mentioning that a PROM modification needs to be made to correct it

My personal opinion: Do what is legal or risk it, it's up to you.. What I do? I put on a cat and never installed the smog stuff because it's not necessary in my situation.

I have to agree with WhiteDevil and Musclecarfan on this one.. I think we should all just agree that we have our own opinions about things as long as we make clear that what we do is not necessarily legal so as not to fool others into thinking it is, because then things could get messy.

Let's all shake hands now

Apeiron

There's no injection into the manifolds during closed loop.

hellz_wings

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Hmm, to my knowledge I agree that it introduces AIR into the manifolds during open loop to warm up the cat, which is only during a brief period of time.. Once into closed loop the AIR is diverted straight into the cat, which won't affect the O2 sensor during this operation.. But from what i've read from TRAXION'S posts:

"That's the problem. That statement is not entirely true. I have tons of datalogs with AIR being injected during normal driving. This is AIR being injected at the manifolds ... which DOES affect the O2 sensor. Furthermore, this happens A LOT. This is not just a simple inject at the manifolds every now and then. It happens a lot. On the other hand, I think your statement is true for AIR being injected at the Catalytic Converter. None of my scans show AIR being injected at the converter during normal driving after warmup."

It appears that there is some AIR that periodically gets diverted back into the manifolds (for whatever reason).. It is at that time when the AIR gets diverted, that it changes the O2 sensor threshold by 100mv, it actually subtracts 100mv from the rich/lean threshold, so the INT doesn't change even though there is more oxygen in the exhaust, which means leaner.. I suppose the question here is not the logic behind this, but rather if the AIR ever truly does get injected into the manifolds once the O2 warms up? Rbob (in that same thread, 7 years later) claims that once the O2 warms up, AIR is never injected back into the manifolds...

I think that one possible scenario would be, that if someone had headers and there O2 was falling out of closed loop periodically (I had this issue back before I had a heated O2 sensor), wouldn't this re-divert the AIR back into the manifolds to heat up the O2 again? That could have explained why my non-heated O2 sensor without AIR injection to help it was falling out of closed loop periodically.

Apeiron

There's three modes of operation, cold, warm and divert. Cold mode blows air into the manifold until the computer goes into closed loop. Then warm mode starts and air goes to the converter. I don't know if it would switch back to cold mode if the CTS dropped to put it back into open loop, but I expect it would. Divert mode happens when the mixture is rich and during deceleration, and the air is vented through the silencer to prevent overheating the cat. Divert mode is also the fail-safe mode if any codes are set.

Switching in and out of divert mode happens all the time during closed loop operation. I suspect that Traxion had the channels confused in his data logs

stealthroc89

I would like to see how the car actually did, barely passed or had some room. I would like to run mine to see if my illegal set up will pass, but I fail the second the hood opens lol.

peterc005

I checked the factory manual. Two points:

1) the AIR system is only used at started to inject extra air into the exhaust manifold and catalytic converter to aid combustion of HC and NO gases when the engine is cold.

"... airflow is diverted to the atmosphere .. during rich operations ... deceleration .. hard acceleration ..."

2) there was an RPO code for factory deletion of A.I.R. The AIR system couldn't be so important if it is a factory option.

The previous owner of my car must have gotten a hack saw and cut the AIR pump pulley shaft off.

No way will I fix this, instead I'll delete AIR altogether to unclutter the engine bay and save a little weight.

Apeiron

AIR wasn't an "option", it was a required component of the US emissions package. Remember not every thirdgen was built for the US market, and emissions equipment wasn't installed on cars sold into markets where it wasn't required to make it pass whatever standards were required for the jurisdiction. Export LG4s were built with non-computer controlled carbs, and leaded-gas engines were shipped around the world for decades after it was eliminated in the US.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the emissions equipment on the car is designed to pass the EPA or CARB platform certification tests, which are orders of magnitude more complicated than a trivial idle-and-accelerated tailpipe sniffer. These standards specify total emissions, not just from the tailpipe. When you consider that the majority of the total hydrocarbon emissions of pre-emissions era cars came from crankcase and fuel system vents, the sniffer really doesn't do much. A car can pass with flying colors and still be a gross polluter while it's parked. Visual emissions and OBDII tests are to weed out those cars.

Questions of social responsibility aside, the AIR system is pretty inconsequential in most respects. It would be the last thing I tore out if it worked, it would be the last thing I replaced if it failed.

JekyllandHyde

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from my understanding, the AIR system is only there to feed extra air to the catalytic converters to help get them up to operating temp faster at startup. Not sure what other function it serves, but I feel that it doesn't really do much of anything to lessen the emissions of the car. That said, I'd probably just remove it and junk it if it failed, but the law in NYC still says that the car gets a visual inspection so I keep it on there.

sofakingdom

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The AIR system is there to feed air to the cat.

The cat's job is to complete the combustion of any unburned stuff in the exhaust. Can't do that without oxygen. Can't miracle up oxygen out of nothing.

This is a classic example of how, just because ONE GUY managed to do it and get away with it ONCE, doesn't necessarily make it "a good idea".

Anybody that's ever been transferred to another state, whose state has suddenly decided to mandate emissions controls, etc., will know why it's not "a good idea" to indiscriminately HACK emissions parts off of a street car. This kid is still in college, so he's got some learning yet to do after he moves out of his mom's and has to start paying his own way including paying for his own mistakes, about how THE REAL WORLD works. Me, I had kids late in life, and the younger is about to graduate from college now, so I've had LOTS of "real life" dumping itself on me. But if the inexperienced, such as the OP, choose to ignore the accumulated wisdom offered by those of us who have already BEEN THERE and DONE THAT, and instead they just HAVE TO learn it the hard way, well, not my problem; eh??

Race car, different matter. Street car, unwise at best.