91BlkRS

ok i've got an auto 305 tbi '91 RS and my friend has a 3.8 or 3.6? he's not sure, but his is standard and it's a 6 cylinder. my uncle says i should be able to take him because he'll have a slower 1 and 2 gear. i want to hear want you guys think.

91BlkRS

forgot to mention his is a 5 speed

curt86iroc

its a 3.1 liter v6. i drove my friends 92 RS with that engine. lets just say i was glad to get back into my car after that

you're gonna tear him a new one.....

CobraKiller

ya you've got this one in the bag. easy win for you.

Mark A Shields

Think about it, you have a V8 and him a V6, why would Chevy make a V6 faster than a V8 of the same generation Camaro.

Notice I said Camaro and not Firebird, damn turbos, I want one.

CobraKiller

don't we all..don't we all..dam TTA

91BlkRS

that's what i thought, but then some people (now obviously not educated about cars) were telling me because he had a standard, that he would take me. i don't know when i'm racing him, cuz his isn't registered yet, but i'll let you guys know when i do, but you guys already believe that i'll win anyways. :rockon:

Mark A Shields

I wish that were the case, when I had my '85 4banger Stang it was a 4spd, that thing was slow as *****, probably ran high 18s.
Some people should realize what they're saying.

Crazy Firebird Kid

Thats a common misconception by inexperienced or uneducated drivers. I know a lot of people that think that manuals are automatically super fast, and autos are super slow.

curt86iroc

the manual/auto debate does have some truths. if you take identical cars (ie. same engine, same driver, lets use the LB9 for an example) and put a T-5 in one car and a 700-r4 in another, the T-5 will almost always be faster because of the higher rearend gear and the fact that the T-5 "wastes" less power than the 700-r4.

Mark A Shields

But you still brought up the fact of the rear end gear, which doesn't quite make it fair now does it.

curt86iroc

thats true...although most manual cars do have a higher gear. i was just trying to make a point

5.0mustang

There is some truths, like said before. I know that two equal Mustangs, like my year, a stick will be faster. The first gear for the auto is a 2.40, and the stick has a 3.35. These two cars with the same rear end gear, 2.73, the stick will outrun the auto. I'm pretty sure the 3rd gens are the same way.

Mark A Shields

Now is the auto in the stang the AOD, since that tranny sucks is that a fair comparison. True that the stick may be faster, but not cause it's a stick but cause it's better built than the AOD, now how about a comparable auto tranny, not arguing, just raising a question.

No4NJunk

actually you might be in for a surprise. My friend has a 3.1 liter firebird (91) with a 5 speed and It runs 10.0s in the 1/8. For those of you who don't know thats about a 15.2 in the 1/4. Not to bad for a bone stock 6 with 120,000 on the ticker. I remember when I used to have my 305 he would walk the dog all over me. Needless to say that doesn't happen anymore .

Mark A Shields

That's IMPOSSIBLE for one, I do doubt it, for another that's faster than me, that's it I'm getting rid of my 350 for a V6.
That's also faster than an 305TBI so how can that be.

No4NJunk

LOL!! Chill out mark. Its gonna be ok. I can promise you that I'm not lieing. Don't worry though because hes selling it for a 92 Firehawk (we both live near Hawks Thirdgen parts--links above-check out green firehawk). Anyway I have no proof other than his timeslips but the car description just says "firebird" so that doesn't give too much info. I have no reason to make this up so don't give me any ****. If you are too scared to believe it then thats your choice and frankly its a good one. I myself can admit that this car killed me (again I will mention that I had a 305 that ran 11.30s in 1/8). This car has 120,000 miles on it and runs INCREDIBLY. I'm not saying that all of them run this well or that the drivers are as good as my friend BUT...It happened and I was there all 100 some odd times we were at the track.

curt86iroc

uhhh, it seems VERY VERY impossible that a stock 3.1 V6 can run a 15.2 in the 1/4. thats fastrthan my car....

91BlkRS

so, back to this thread, will i win easily? i know i'm going to punch the gas hard, but is it going to be an easy win or will he give me a run?

85transamtpi

You will destroy him. Even if you dont get the best launch you should still be able to make up the ground that you lost.

As far as manual vs. auto debate, the manual will absolutely put more power to the ground. Now which is faster can be tricky. I know that with LS1's traction is a major problem with 6 speed cars...and most of the time I end up in front of them at the track. It takes a VERY good driver to harness the power once the car starts getting that fast.

But back to the original topic,
Yep, you'll kick his @ss!

-Doug

Mark A Shields

If I'm not mistaken some firebirds did come with a 305.

No4NJunk

.Your not mistaken. So! Some of them did come with 305s. His is a 3.1 liter six. I can promise you that.
Just one question mark. In this post right here
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...threadid=97969
You don't believe him to be lying?? So why is it that you don't believe me. His car is ALSO faster than yours AND has a smaller displacement engine. I'm not even bragging about myself. My friend doesn't even know of this site nor does he know I'm talking about him so why would I lie. Are you intimidated? Whats your logic here. I'm just trying to give another side for this guy to consider.

Yes. And you have a slow *** 305. Not a flame but 305s (stock anyway) were dogs. Like I said before...you don't have to believe me. I could care less. I don't get my jollies off of making **** up! I'll scan the slip if you want!!

Mark A Shields

Oh, I was just saying, cause in an ealier reply you said, you didn't know much details and it only said firebird on the car, so I thought you were guessing that it's a V6. Not calling you a liar, sorry for the confusion.

As far as the 305 being lame, yes the LG4s and LO3s were, but think about it no matter how lame they are, they have more TQ and HP in the same weight of a car, so how could a 6 be faster, even if it has better gears I still don't see a V6 running that, Hell even newer 4th Gen V6 run about low 15s and I don't see a 3rd Gen V6 running that.

Mark A Shields

To me it's a little more believable that a guy says he has a stock cam as compared to a V6 3rd Gen stock runs 15.2 .
I don't see you lying either, it's just very hard to believe a stock V6 would run that.

No4NJunk

I was addressing the fact that the time slip does not give any indication that its a six cylinder. I will scan it if anyone still wants to see it.

It was also believable that the titanic was an unsinkable ship!! Whats your point. Weirder things have happened. The car is bone stock except for the dirty K&N filter and flowmaster exhuast. Not sure what to tell except Believe or NOT.

My friend also happens to be an excellent driver. He launches extremely hard and shifts like a bat outta hell. Just imagine what I was thinking when he was beating my *** in front of all my friends at the strip. VERY EMBARRASSING!!

BTW- He ran a 10.0 in the 1/8 which is ABOUT a 15.2. His six may not have the top end to pull off a 15.2 in the quarter. I don't know. What I do know is for most 8 cyl.s a 10.0 in the 1/8 is a 15.2 in the 1/4. My other friends 240sx runs 10.2s in the 1/8 but 15.8s in the 1/4.

Mark A Shields

Good point, I was going to bring that up.
I would like to see the time slip by the way, if it's no trouble.

No4NJunk

No problem. I'll search through the thousands tonight. My friend (a different one here at college) doesn't get home from work until 11 and he has the scanner so you'll have to wait untill then. I'm pretty sure I can find some of his timeslips in my stash.

DRKTEALV6BRD

i wanna see timeslips

blk91z28

I also can't wait to see this time slip.
I dont think a miracle could get a stock 3.1 camaro to do the 1/4 mile in 15.1 sec.
Theres know way.
Impossible!!