TPI Tuned Port Injection discussion and questions. LB9 and L98 tech, porting, tuning, and bolt-on aftermarket products.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

FIRST TPI build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-10-2020, 03:53 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
FIRST TPI build

Well, its been a while. Car is all sorted out with current engine, transmission. Carbed 355 in front of an Extreme Automatics Stage II 2004R, 2200 stall, 3.42 gears in posi rear end. 2.5 inch exhaust thru Turbo mufflers. Here's where the fun starts. I have a brand new set of Profiler 185 heads, a FIRST TPI, and a roller cam that I am going to install. Car is a 69 Camaro.
Cam specs are:
Intake Exhaust
221 223 duration at .050
280 282 duration at .004
.510 .492
104 112 lobe angle (108 sep angle)
Intake opens 6.5 at .050 Intake closes at 34.5 at .050
Exhaust opens 43.5 at .050 Exhaust closes at -.5 at .050

A lot of cool stuff has come out in the way of efi. I've always liked the look of the TPI. I am thinking somewhere around 420 HP and 500 TQ at the crank. Realistic? I could go another way with EFI or put a carb with annualar discharge boosters on it. Thoughts?



.
Old 03-11-2020, 05:42 PM
  #2  
Member

iTrader: (1)
 
thainglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Just West of Weird, TX
Posts: 372
Received 101 Likes on 68 Posts
Re: FIRST TPI build

Have you thought about how the TPI will be controlled? I think the OEM computers like an LSA of 114. I might have the number wrong, but definitely something you'll want to check out.

I have a TPI setup planning to go into my 85 TA and another set I fully polished for my 78 Vette. Have always liked the look, even though the technology is now old.

Old 03-11-2020, 06:34 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by thainglo
Have you thought about how the TPI will be controlled? I think the OEM computers like an LSA of 114. I might have the number wrong, but definitely something you'll want to check out.

I have a TPI setup planning to go into my 85 TA and another set I fully polished for my 78 Vette. Have always liked the look, even though the technology is now old.
I have an EBL P4 Flash to control it. Got the entire FIRST unit, injectors, computer dizzy, harness, and ECM as a package from a guy. I’m going with a brushed finish plenum, runners that have been powder coated satin black, polished fuel rails, and natural finish base.
Old 03-12-2020, 06:34 AM
  #4  
Supreme Member

 
ULTM8Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,035
Received 193 Likes on 167 Posts
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by ToolGuru
I have an EBL P4 Flash to control it. Got the entire FIRST unit, injectors, computer dizzy, harness, and ECM as a package from a guy. I’m going with a brushed finish plenum, runners that have been powder coated satin black, polished fuel rails, and natural finish base.
What's your plan for tuning? That combo will need a lot of retuning.
Old 03-12-2020, 07:51 AM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: FIRST TPI build

Yeah, they usually do. In my case, the previous owner sent me all his bins and results of each. Will plug in the one that matches my combo and take it from there.
Old 04-02-2020, 01:47 PM
  #6  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

Our car is at the shop now it has a 383 stroker with a first performance intake and tuning is going to be done thru a holley hp efi system hoping she runs good...


Old 04-02-2020, 02:38 PM
  #7  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: FIRST TPI build

Nice. I’ve got a 355 with Profiler 180 heads and a Chris Straub grind retro roller. Should make 420 at the crank (conservative guess) and 475 + tq.
Old 04-02-2020, 02:56 PM
  #8  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

Ours is running a set of 113 vette heads fully ported and polished done by TPIS they flow 250 cfm also using a lpe219 cam by lingenfelter, 1.6 roller rockers, 383 cu in,edelbrock headers, custom y pipe into a mufflex 4.5 in exhaust ,700r4 with a billet pression 9.5 2600 stall convertor.. I have no idea on HP I'm guessing 450 at the flywheel over 500 ft tq..
Old 05-03-2020, 03:33 PM
  #9  
Supreme Member

 
SbFormula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,231
Received 150 Likes on 123 Posts
Car: '91 Firebird Formula
Engine: SP383 Deluxe FIRST® TPI Intake
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" Eaton Truetrac Motive 3.89
Re: FIRST TPI build

Bolted the the FIRST on a SP383 Deluxe. Used 7730 with Moates Emulator ostrich 2. Tuning took a little while but it's coming along. Used TunerPro RT. Need Dyno session now to dial in SA and WOT AFR for max power. I can feel the Torque waking up at 2500rpm... crazy street car.



Old 05-03-2020, 04:57 PM
  #10  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

What cam are you running? Ours is tuned by a holley hp efi system it has a lpe219 cam by lingenfelter we used a set of 113 Corvette heads that flow 250 cfm.. the TB was sent back to Ken at 1st to be ported to his 76 mm TB we run a walbro 255 lph fuel pump and holley 36 lb injectors with a holley dual sync distributor...hoping it performs well we have a built 700r4 with a vigilante 2600 stall convertor with a GM 9 bolt with 3.27 gears..
Old 05-03-2020, 05:00 PM
  #11  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by SbFormula
Bolted the the FIRST on a SP383 Deluxe. Used 7730 with Moates Emulator ostrich 2. Tuning took a little while but it's coming along. Used TunerPro RT. Need Dyno session now to dial in SA and WOT AFR for max power. I can feel the Torque waking up at 2500rpm... crazy street car.


What are these intakes good to rpm wise?
Old 05-03-2020, 07:15 PM
  #12  
Supreme Member

 
SbFormula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,231
Received 150 Likes on 123 Posts
Car: '91 Firebird Formula
Engine: SP383 Deluxe FIRST® TPI Intake
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" Eaton Truetrac Motive 3.89
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by my hemi
What are these intakes good to rpm wise?
Would not know!
its good enough for my set-up
Ken at first performance could tell you
They have 2 intake with different cfm rating
i have the small one
Old 05-03-2020, 07:18 PM
  #13  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by SbFormula
Would not know!
its good enough for my set-up
Ken at first performance could tell you
They have 2 intake with different cfm rating
i have the small one
yeah i know they flow around 850 cfm to over 1000 cfm with the bigger TB
Old 05-03-2020, 07:21 PM
  #14  
Supreme Member

 
SbFormula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,231
Received 150 Likes on 123 Posts
Car: '91 Firebird Formula
Engine: SP383 Deluxe FIRST® TPI Intake
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" Eaton Truetrac Motive 3.89
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by my hemi
What cam are you running? Ours is tuned by a holley hp efi system it has a lpe219 cam by lingenfelter we used a set of 113 Corvette heads that flow 250 cfm.. the TB was sent back to Ken at 1st to be ported to his 76 mm TB we run a walbro 255 lph fuel pump and holley 36 lb injectors with a holley dual sync distributor...hoping it performs well we have a built 700r4 with a vigilante 2600 stall convertor with a GM 9 bolt with 3.27 gears..
I got a crate engine from GM Performance. I'm no builder
Cam was within specs to match the First intake. I have the 835cfm model. Max duration for that intake was 224
https://www.chevroletperformancestor...e/sp383-deluxe

Walbor 255lph
Bosh III 32lb/hr
OEM HEI distributor
Moser 9inch with 3.90
Tremec 6 speed aftermarket

Last edited by SbFormula; 05-04-2020 at 09:02 AM.
Old 05-03-2020, 08:18 PM
  #15  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by my hemi
What cam are you running? Ours is tuned by a holley hp efi system it has a lpe219 cam by lingenfelter we used a set of 113 Corvette heads that flow 250 cfm.. the TB was sent back to Ken at 1st to be ported to his 76 mm TB we run a walbro 255 lph fuel pump and holley 36 lb injectors with a holley dual sync distributor...hoping it performs well we have a built 700r4 with a vigilante 2600 stall convertor with a GM 9 bolt with 3.27 gears..
Erson Roller. 280/282. .510/.492 lift. 108 LSA. 730 ECM with EBL Flash. 355 small block, Pro-Filer 185 heads. Extreme Automatocs Stage 2 2004R, 3.42 10 bolt posi. Global West subframe connectors, Howe tall ball joints, SPC upper and lower control arms. 69 Camaro.
The following users liked this post:
SbFormula (05-03-2020)
Old 05-03-2020, 08:27 PM
  #16  
Senior Member

 
my hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 608
Received 56 Likes on 45 Posts
Car: A few things lol
Engine: 350 tpi supercharged and a 383 stro
Transmission: Both 700r4s
Axle/Gears: 3.23s and 3.54s
Re: FIRST TPI build

Originally Posted by ToolGuru
Erson Roller. 280/282. .510/.492 lift. 108 LSA. 730 ECM with EBL Flash. 355 small block, Pro-Filer 185 heads. Extreme Automatocs Stage 2 2004R, 3.42 10 bolt posi. Global West subframe connectors, Howe tall ball joints, SPC upper and lower control arms. 69 Camaro.
Are you running a first performance intake?
Old 05-03-2020, 11:05 PM
  #17  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
ToolGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: 40 miles N of Detroit
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1969 Camaro SS
Engine: 355, roller, Profilers, FIRST tpi
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: FIRST TPI build

Putting one on this summer
The following users liked this post:
my hemi (05-04-2020)
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
stezhead54
Engine Swap
7
01-09-2015 06:54 PM
smokin2002
TPI
2
12-05-2009 04:41 PM
My1986IROC-Z
Tech / General Engine
14
12-01-2005 05:42 PM
brodyscamaro
Organized Drag Racing and Autocross
3
10-21-2003 11:48 PM
Black91Z28
TPI
5
10-08-2002 10:21 AM



Quick Reply: FIRST TPI build



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.