Mrs.Crasher0083

I was wondering if anyone had any advise on which direction to take here. See.....my 700r4 in my 92 Camaro RS is shifting out of first into second at about 6000 rpm or so. Ive adjusted the TV cable and no change. Im was thinking about ordering the Transgo kit for it or/and replqacing the governor. Im wondering what I should try first. I plan on doing both to avoid a stuck throttle valve ect but Id like to find out what the problem was. Should I replace the governor 1st or do the Transgo kit? Also Im thinking about taking the trans out if my husband has time to help me move it. Is it possible to do the kit and governor while the trans is in the car? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Gregzz4

Yes you can change both in the car. The governor is behind a round cover on the drivers side. Do that on a downhill slope with the rear on stands and you'll lose very little ATF. The shift kit is done by removing the pan and dropping the valve body.

When you say 6000RPM I assume you mean at Wide Open Throttle. What do you want it to do, or, what did it do before?

Please describe in more detail exactly what your problem/concern is.

Jrgunn5150

If it is shifting like that at WOT, that's perfectly normal.

A governor only controls WOT, so if it's shifting like that at part throttle, a governor will not help.

The only thing controlling part throttle shifts is the Throttle valve. As in, not just the cable you see, but the actual valve in the trans itself. If it is shifting at 6k at part throttle, or refusing to shift until you got WOT, there is a problem with either the TV cable or the valve itself.

IROC212

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if the governor gear is broken it will upshift at very high rpm. I had a gear break off and had same problem. The Tv cable or valve can also do this as well if they're stuck

transam85dudeman

I got my car shifting b4 6000, i got a shift kit installed by PO. It chirps tires on a cold morning, only after i replaced my torque arm bushing did it chirp. I custom set my TV cable to shift gears at low speed in a parking lot, and tuned it to the powerband on my motor. not too late, not too early. -mycomments

Mrs.Crasher0083

The car ran fine last I knew. I havent done anything different since. It wont shift out of first unless I punch it to WOT.... it then shifts into 2nd. So I imagine its the throttle valve stuck. Hopefully the Transgo kit fixes it like it claims to. It use to shift around 3k or so...cant remember but I know it wasnt 6k. I guess Im going to learn about transmissions sooner then I expected. Thanks for the input though.....cant ever have enough that

Mrs.Crasher0083

Changed the filter and sprayed the throttle valve spring with penetrating oil. I moved it back and fourth a bunch of times. It seems to have a lot of play in the valve spring piston. Theres a good gap in between the piston and TV cable spring lever. Is that normal? Its about an inch or so.

After all that.......It still wont shift into 2nd until 4500 rpm's at WOT. If Im not at WOT.....It'll stay in first until 4500. Will the transgo kit take care of that valve spring/piston? Or am dealing with some other problem im not aware of.

transam85dudeman

adjust the tv cable, it may be Adjusted right---> but try that click forward or backwards, it solved my headache, headache. and headache. i saved 1500 bucks https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...early-new.html explains it better

Mrs.Crasher0083

I tried it one click out......Next nice day Im going to try a click back. I guess I'll try messing with the TV cable again until I get the Transgo kit. Im just not sure if I need the valve body plate (which the Transgo kit dont come with).

transam85dudeman

hey dude, you know www.tpis.com i bought a book a while back in 06' called tpi secrets. i took A Pic because i thought it would help. stop stressing dude. i would even give these guys a call they're brilliant. and the S means specialist. heres what they wrote. copyrighted to tpis.com 1993.

Mrs.Crasher0083

Well......I started putting in the Transgo kit. Everything went fine so far except 2 things. 1) The accumulator piston that came with the servo kit dont seem to fit. Does it need to be forced in (which I doubt) or what? Should I just use the old piston and install the new springs? Ahhhhhhhh........what 2 do???
2) While putting the spring kits in the valves, I started to pull the wrong valve and when I realized it, the spring shot out. Im not sure what valve it is but I think I may be missing a piece. Its the valve to the left of the line bias valve. Is there a plug that goes in there or does the roll pin just hold the spring? Any help is as always.....greatly appreciated.

BTW....Transamdude85........Im not a dude......dudes have different um....tools lol.

Mrs.Crasher0083

Heres some pics of the valve in question.

Mrs.Crasher0083

Ok.........Got the accumulator piston in........now I just need to know about the #2 question.

IROC212

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I believe thats the 3-2 control valve.
This has some pictures that may be helpful. If not you may want to pick up and ATSG manual for the 700r4.
Good luck.

http://syty.huryde.com/OLD/html/tran...%20Rebuild.pdf

Mrs.Crasher0083

Thanks Iroc212........thats was exactly what I was looking for. That link told me more then all the manuals I have here. I got the TB back together and in. Now onto the servo and governor. That link you posted should be a sticky! Thanks again so much

IROC212

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Pro Built Automatics

First, the TransGo Shift kit will "fix" the TV system when installed correctly, and this is a "must". Second, the TV cable should be set tight at WOT, and "IF" it shifts to late at part throttle you can "back off" a click (1/16") at the most. "DO NOT" move it more than this as in the thumbnail attachment, you will destroy the transmission by moving it more. The governor controls the shift points at "all" throttle openings. The same with the shift timing valves, they work together. It can become very complicated, as there are different lands on the shift timing valves and a spring at the end the valve, and they are affected by governor pressure as to when the shift should occur, at different throttle openings. The stiffer the spring on the end of the shift timing valve will make the shift later as it takes more governor pressure to force the shift valve to move and cause the shift to occur. This is somewhat oversimplified, but you get the idea.

Mrs.Crasher0083

I put the Transgo kit in, installed a new governor, and new servo. I tried backing off a click on the TV cable and Im shifting @4500-5000 rpm/ 37 mph. It must be something simple and stupid that I overlooked. Any suggestions? Everything was put on perfectly and it hasnt seemed to change the shift point much.

transam85dudeman

gotta make the throttle valve cable tighter, not looser. in the pic i posted above explains it better than me..

Cause like dont be worried when you set it, just get it tighter. The dude a couple post above mention not to move it too much, he's right but only after its set correct. if its out of adjustment already then that rule doesnt apply until its set correctly. My mechanic (idiot) from years ago, purposely set it incorrect so that i would burn up the transmission, but my skills told me that ya it wasnt set right. I did some tests and didnt travel more that half a block to test each setting. it took me 5 minutes to find the sweet spot. Good enough for WOT, as well as in the parking lot. not late or early, just right. that was back in 07' i drive it everyday, transmission is over 118,000 miles. im swapping it out with a t-5 soon cause i want more hp and direct contact to the wheels plus i got the 305 so the t-5 will but up perfectly and not break. then its and LS1 with a 6 speed time.

bubba20189

had the same problem mine was a quick fix i thought it was somthing in the tranny but it wasnt all i did was unhook the tv cable and pull it out as far as it could go then let it go i did this about 8 times then put it back on and set it worked fine ever since it was just a stuck valve hope this helps

Mrs.Crasher0083

Itll shift at 37 mph no matter what the rpms. All the valves and springs are new. It seems like a pressure issue or something. The gov and servo are also new. Im so frustrated!!!!! I need this car running good. Shifting from 1st to 2nd at 4000-5000 rpms is killing me. It has to be something stupid that Im not looking at.

bubba20189

Like i said mine was doing the exact same thing i just pulled the cable all the way out and let it go a few times solved the problem for me...

Mrs.Crasher0083

I tried that awhile ago. Ive had the valve in my hand. Ive also had the TV cable adjusted every which way possible.....a click in.....click out....set at normal wot position....nothing seems to change anything.

IROC212

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Did the trans start acting like this out of the blue before you put the shift kit in? The front pump is healthy, the converter etc... has anyone been in the transmission before? Maybe a pressure problem? Does the governor have aftermarket weights or springs in it?

Mrs.Crasher0083

Yeah, this started happening right out of the blue. I put the kit in hoping it would fix it. I have no clue what was done before I got it but I dont think it ever had anything done to it besides filter changes......if that. I put a new governor in it but the old one had very little wear on it. I dont think anything was after market.

IROC212

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I don't think the trans go kit comes with a new tv boost valve for the front pump. If not I'd drop the pan and see if it is scored, or stuck in its sleeve. It's in the front pump, so you'll just need snap ring pliers. If it isn't I'm out of ideas.
Here's a pic to help.

http://www.sonnax.com/instructions/77917-02K-IN.pdf

siduramaxde

maybe get a new TV cable. Maybe yours is broke. If you have the pan off you can see if your tv cable is working or not. Maybe the cable sleeve broke and is not adjusting.

Mrs.Crasher0083

Iroc212.......I did get a new boost valve with something I bought. Not sure if it was the Transgo or what but I didnt put it in because I wasnt sure where it went at the time. lol. I guess Im going to go back and learn how to put it in. Im also goimg to recheck the cable and make sure its actually working still. Thanks for the input guys....atleast I have something to try now. I cant thank you enough

Colts45s

um maybe i just missed it but have you changed intake manifolds or changed the natural geometry of the tv cable(means it has is higher lower more forward or backwards from the stock location?

Mrs.Crasher0083

Colt45.......No haven't changed anything. This all started happening out of the blue.

Mrs.Crasher0083

Ok.....Like I said before, Im more of an engine woman than tranny. To most Im sure this falls into the stupid question catagory. I dropped the trans pan and was going to put the new tv boost valve in. One problem....where the hell is it? I took the tcc sol. out and now Im at a loss. This can be done with the trans in the car right? Where is it and how do I get it out? Thanks in advance again......I love this site. F-body people are the best. Everytime I pass one on the road I think about everybody here

Mrs.Crasher0083

Ok.....found the TV Boost valve. Its located by the detent lever. Now if I could just find my snap ring pliers!!! I have a good feeling that this is the problem. It had better be or Im going to sit in a corner and cry the rest of the week end lol.

IROC212

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Good luck!

Mrs.Crasher0083

Well, I finally got the TV boost valve in. Still no change though Im at a complete loss. I did however forget to check if the TV cable was working good. Hopefully I'll get to that tomorrow but I have to work in the morning and then put a water pump on my sisters Merc Sable......pain in the ****. Ya have to jack up the engine to get to it. I guess Im going to order a new TV cable anyways. I might as well since everything else is new. Thanks for all the help guys. Im still open for suggestions.

Mrs.Crasher0083

New info.....The other day I was driving the car to town and I noticed a vibration. At first I thought it might be the road. Then when I had to stop at a red light I heard a fast clicking noise. It makes that noise in all gears including park if I recall correctly. When I get up to speed the sound seems to go away but it sounds really bad when starting off or at a stop. I was wondering if it could be something with the torque converter or maybe the trans housing is loose. I had a loose bell housing in my 89 Camaro but it didnt act like this one. Its just a thought. Im working right now and wont be home for 3 days so I cant go look at it. Could a loose trans cause all these problems? Thanks

DVR408 88 iroc

i also have i question I changed my transmission out of my 1988 iroc 5.7 auto i put a TCI STreet fighter tranny in its also a 700r4 auto but it doesnt seem faster it seems slower..the only thing is it locks the tires right away and goes i was wondering if i did something wrong?

Steve40th

How does this help? Cant you just floor the gas pedal several times as it pushes the plunger in to push the throttle valve?