mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
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mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
ok heres the deal i have an 89 iroc with a forged 4 bolt main 355 ported tpi twin turbos etc etc etc
now i know most ppl say the 700r4 wont live behind any kind of decent power but my v6 car makes 350+hp and damn near 475ftlbs of tq and my last transmission has held up just fine
in my v6 car i used a tci master rebuild kit or whatever they call it now, its been a few years lol.+ shiftkit with all the usuals boost, valve tv valve etc
it also has a tci 4,500 stall
now i know the 355 is going to make alot more power can it be made to hold up behind the v8? im shooting for around 7-800 flywheel hp for track days and back it down on the streets to about 4-500 hp
ur prolly asking why i want to keep the 700 well the nearest grocery store to me is 52 miles one way i do alot of long distance highway traveling so id really like to keep the overdrive trans
now i know most ppl say the 700r4 wont live behind any kind of decent power but my v6 car makes 350+hp and damn near 475ftlbs of tq and my last transmission has held up just fine
in my v6 car i used a tci master rebuild kit or whatever they call it now, its been a few years lol.+ shiftkit with all the usuals boost, valve tv valve etc
it also has a tci 4,500 stall
now i know the 355 is going to make alot more power can it be made to hold up behind the v8? im shooting for around 7-800 flywheel hp for track days and back it down on the streets to about 4-500 hp
ur prolly asking why i want to keep the 700 well the nearest grocery store to me is 52 miles one way i do alot of long distance highway traveling so id really like to keep the overdrive trans
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
use the other cars for grocery gettin.
a SERIOUS setup to reliably handle that power is gonna cost a good bit. I know RPM transmissions makes 4L60-4L70E setups to handle 800whp but they cost 4400 bucks.
A typical full blown rebuild for 2000 or so will likely do it, but for how long will it last? hard to say. How hard are you going to be on this? Trans brake launches? any kind of hard launches? lol I think that kills trannies more so than power alone.
a SERIOUS setup to reliably handle that power is gonna cost a good bit. I know RPM transmissions makes 4L60-4L70E setups to handle 800whp but they cost 4400 bucks.
A typical full blown rebuild for 2000 or so will likely do it, but for how long will it last? hard to say. How hard are you going to be on this? Trans brake launches? any kind of hard launches? lol I think that kills trannies more so than power alone.
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
no transbrake, i was going to go with a 3k stall and footbrake the car
though in my v6 car i abuse the hell out of the 700r4
on the line i stand on the brakes as hard as i can and pull the ebrake then go wot
this lets me stall to about 4,100 before the car tries to move, when the tree comes down i just come off the brake pedal and drop the ebrake
poor mans transbrake lmao
launches will deffintalty be a lil hard if i can launch with boost ill be running a 28x10.5 slick on this car
other then trips to the track once every month or so it will be mostly street driven so it wont be to abused. and 2 times a year im going to take the car out to bonnevile salt flats for some top speed runs
umm my current dd needs a timming chain, and a full front end rebuild soon as the iroc is inspected the intrepid is going to the bone yard so that leaves me with a 4wd 2500 silverado which gets horrible gas mileage
though in my v6 car i abuse the hell out of the 700r4
on the line i stand on the brakes as hard as i can and pull the ebrake then go wot
this lets me stall to about 4,100 before the car tries to move, when the tree comes down i just come off the brake pedal and drop the ebrake
poor mans transbrake lmao
launches will deffintalty be a lil hard if i can launch with boost ill be running a 28x10.5 slick on this car
other then trips to the track once every month or so it will be mostly street driven so it wont be to abused. and 2 times a year im going to take the car out to bonnevile salt flats for some top speed runs
umm my current dd needs a timming chain, and a full front end rebuild soon as the iroc is inspected the intrepid is going to the bone yard so that leaves me with a 4wd 2500 silverado which gets horrible gas mileage
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Use the Pro Street Elite kit along with the .570" main boost valve and the .400" intermediate/reverse boost valve. This with some minor modifications to anticipate the higher torque at lower rpms should work fine here. I have a couple of these kits setup as described using turbocharging doing ok.
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Use the Pro Street Elite kit along with the .570" main boost valve and the .400" intermediate/reverse boost valve. This with some minor modifications to anticipate the higher torque at lower rpms should work fine here. I have a couple of these kits setup as described using turbocharging doing ok.
how would this handle boost i.e high hp/tq at only part throttle.
i live in the mountains pretty much so i do do alot of driving up steep grades so i do expect to see boost with as little as 1/4 throttle.
would a full pressure valve body be the solution to this issue or is there something better that can be done
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Originally Posted by project89
how would this handle boost i.e high hp/tq at only part throttle.
i live in the mountains pretty much so i do do alot of driving up steep grades so i do expect to see boost with as little as 1/4 throttle....
i live in the mountains pretty much so i do do alot of driving up steep grades so i do expect to see boost with as little as 1/4 throttle....
http://www.700r4l60e.com/
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Rick Abare was pulling 1.33 sixty foots with his Pro-Built Transmission all season long awhile back. Should easily handle your application Dave, just give Dana a call....
http://www.700r4l60e.com/
http://www.700r4l60e.com/
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Originally Posted by project89
lol u know me im not going to buy a complete transmission im going to buy just the parts and build it myself like everything else i do, so i wont waste his time on the phone,when he has time he can reply....
http://www.700r4l60e.com/store/produ...&cat=19&page=1
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
I did all that stuff plus all the newer GM roller parts from the 01 and up transmissions.. works the best out of the almost 20 700r4s Ive had..
Dont 4get a nice light 9" lockup converter, deep aluminum pan and a cooler.
I get groceries in mine also!
Dont 4get a nice light 9" lockup converter, deep aluminum pan and a cooler.
I get groceries in mine also!
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
The larger boost valves and the right line bias valve and spring help to anticipate the added low rpm torque from the turbo. The "full pressure" valves bodies are very hard on the front pump, do not have enough line pressure at WOT, and to much at very low throttle openings. The line pressure is flat, no line rise. I have nothing nice to say about them. Dana
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
sounds good, would u recomend any specific year trans for me to use as a core?
i need the car to drive daily so i cant rebuild the one in the car so i figure ill pick up a core and buy the parts kit etc and build it on the side while i baby the stocker for now
i need the car to drive daily so i cant rebuild the one in the car so i figure ill pick up a core and buy the parts kit etc and build it on the side while i baby the stocker for now
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
I've been down this road and I tried everything to get this trans to hold up behind a 750hp twin turbo 355. I eventually gave up and stepped up to a 4L80E and I will never look back! I am no longer afraid to lean on this thing. I was burning up the 3-4 clutches constantly.
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
I use 89 and up transmissions with the GM 5pinion planets and roller guts out of 2001ish and up 6.0 4l65e s from caddy escalades..
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Car: 92 Formula
Engine: 383 248/256 cam
Transmission: 700r4 3500 stall
Axle/Gears: 9" 3.89 gears detroit locker
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
Hey tony how long those snack packs gonna last ya? Lol
Not a bad idea for the roller internals, ever try the z pack for the 3_4 clutch pack. Seems to be holding up well in my 700r4 behind my 13.1 383
Not a bad idea for the roller internals, ever try the z pack for the 3_4 clutch pack. Seems to be holding up well in my 700r4 behind my 13.1 383
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
From the short WOT blasts Ive done so far its shifting at wot and clutches are holding very well. Deeeep pan and modded pump(more vanes).
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Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
The 13 vane pump setup is not an improvement in a 700R4 without doing extensive work to the back half of the pump. Even then it only keeps the pressure smoother at low throttle openings, and does nothing for it at Hi-rpm.
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
She winds up waaay fast.
I may have to try one of your modded pumps!
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: mods to make a 700r4 survive behind a turbocharged small block ?
I've been down this road and I tried everything to get this trans to hold up behind a 750hp twin turbo 355. I eventually gave up and stepped up to a 4L80E and I will never look back! I am no longer afraid to lean on this thing. I was burning up the 3-4 clutches constantly.
if i can go that route without to much trouble id deff go 4l80e with a manual vb to eliminate the need for the ecm , over the 700r4
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