AGood2.8

Who makes them/ who sells them- I'm talking good quality- Looking for a copper head gasket .040-.045 thick. perferably if made, I need a .041 to be specific.

MrDude_1

call summit racing and ask about custom copper gaskets...


when i was making my first 400, i had small chamber heads and a shortblock with flattops... so when i asked them, they gave me a number (it was SCE i THINK... i may be wrong) and i called and they worked out what i was looking for.

AGood2.8

Thank you MrDude but (Not thrying to sound like I'm being an ***) I was asking a tech question to a tech board- If I wanted to call summit, I would ask them.

I would like to know from maybe someone who has actual info or who has bought on for a V6 specifically- I don't have alot of research material on the speciallty little items and options of the 60*V6.

Hoping someone like 614 would know- You seem to have alot of knowledge and references that I don't, and/or can not find on the internet. example: Like the Bob McCray that is a 60*v6 specialist- I had never heard of him

I am presently trying to aquire all resources and options in existence before I commit to a buildup sheet- an most of all , custom ordering parts.

MrDude_1

no prob.. just telling ya how i got SCEs phone number.... they made great laser cut custom head gaskets to the thickness i needed...

AGood2.8

I just like readily availiable maintinence parts in the event of a quick teardown- don't always like waiting for things to be custom made- or the cost involved sometimes- but thank you, I do know about SCE, Gasket works ect.. Just wondering if Mildon, Fel-pro, etc make over the counter ones.

ede

no idea what's in their catalog but hussey is the first place i'd look for copper gaskets

Lee7

http://members.shaw.ca/turbofiero/co...ad_gaskets.htm

these are the ones i got.

They match the block PERFECTLY. (exept the cylinder holes are a little oversized just incase you had you block bored out)

AGood2.8

Thank you Lee, The bore will be 3.65"

Lee7

might want to tell him that on the phone when you order, just to make sure it will fit.

He is a very nice person, we had like a 2 hour talk about how the 2.8 engine likes boost and what are the main bottlenecks of the motor. He has built several hi power motors, including 1000hp+ Supra engines in the $26k range (for the engine alone), and several turbocharged 2.8's, so he has alot of experience on the subject.

AGood2.8

Question to any in the know (don't think its worthy of a new post topic thought.

Has anyone ever pulled a 3.4 out of a 4th gen? Is it basically as easy as a 3rd gen or is things tighter? Reason I ask is- I got a kid local to me that totaled the rearend of his car and will part the entire motor to me for $100- catch is, I have to go over and pull it at his house-I willing to bet its sitting in a carport ar even the street. Want to make sure its not a royal pain in the rear- If it where in my garage I'd say no problem- I have my tools, jacks, hoist and compressor here.(+ a place to wash up- I'm sure the car will be a greasy mess)

RWB____s

I think what your looking for is www.cometic.com They make custom head gaskets and supply alot of gakets to the nascar guys. I use them in my motor and they are by far superior to the standard copper gaskets sold thru speed shops.

Doward

For $100? Hell, I'D come pull it! LOL

Seriously, if it's an auto, it's easy as pie. Unhook all engine electronics, pull the radiator (just so you don't FUBAR it), undo the tc bolts from the flexplate, undo the 2 motor mount bolts, and swing her forward, and up, with a cherry picker. It's a little tighter, but not bad, as longas you d/c all the electronic wiring as you go.

Don't forget to undo the exhaust! PB Blaster is your friend!

AGood2.8

I'm not even going to go that far- I have a cordless sawzall- I wouldn't even mess with trying to unbolt that crap- no worry on the rad either or anything else for that matter. All I want is the block and crank.

Doward

Still... grab the whole engine... I might be interested in the heads or something, who knows?

Lee7

i have a cordless sawzall too, but mine dies in like 10 mins. It sucks, but i guess it would work for cutting the exhaust off.

614Streets

Eh I read this one late, looks like lee 7 has it covered, one thing though, on my 355 I built it up with flat out copper gaskets, it has a special silicone coating for street engines. copper gaskets leak on the street most of the time but the flat out gaskets have a high tech coating process. www.flatoutgaskets.com

Lee7

yeah, you are supposed to use some special rubber sealing stuff before you put the gaskets on, its like a spray and you spray it on in multiple thin layers. Forgot what its called tho.

Gumby

Why copper???? Is there something wrong with the stamped steel that is popular with V8 builders???


On pulling that engine, I wouldn't both with the TC bolts. With the Rad out of the way it should pull right out of the tranny. Then unbolt it. I hate crawling under cars.


Matt

AGood2.8

Guys please, I don't need tip on HOW to pull a motor- I simply asked if the 4th gens where in there tighter of if they were about the same as ours.

Why copper? because if your sh*t is machined correctly, they will last forever.Copper disperses heat better than steel- helps with predetonation (very slight- but slight counts)I am also working on getting my rod assemblies (Rod & bolts, piston, rings and pin) under 1100 grams each. I'm looking to spin 8000 rpms and want at least .040 because of the higher r's and longevity. I want it to last.

Gumby

No big deal. Just I hear lot of guys who drag going to the stamed steel as its good for an easy 2 tenth's.

Matt

AGood2.8

Its not the material, they are using a thinner gasket and raising compression. That's what give them 2 tenth's.

SSC

Well Agood, 4th gens are a PITA. Not somthing I wish to do again anytime soon. Even if you have a rack avalible PITA, unless you were to torch the 3.4 out. Oh BTW (general comment) They can be pulled from the top but I wouldent reccomend it.

The_Raven

I was just going to say, from what I have seen of other people pulling engines from the 4th gen, and from when I work on them, it seems the easiet way is through the bottom, due to the cowl/base of the windsheild being up near the front of the intake.

AGood2.8

So in other words... I should take with me a big fu(king sledgehammer- thats what I am afraid of. I looked into a few over the years and do recall the widshield sitting up over the motor slightly, but how much is what I couldnt remember. If I decide to get it, I will scrap the intake manifole off and yank the hood to give myself more room- the guy's scraping the car anyways.

Dale

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The v8 guys do go from the bottom. On the 6cyl, I think between pulling rad, intake, hood, you could prob do from the top.

If nothing else, BFH/sawzall the core support

SSC

Yea the top trick is to pull the tranny of course remove the radiator, consenser, hood then chain the front of the engine and slide forward back falls down front comes up and out, count the broken and scrached peices. But yea if the guy is trashing the car just torch the bumper off or even better air chissel the nose off. Either way releases tension and is fun.