Belville89RS

last post everyone said flow master sucked is there any types that are known to get the job done better then a flowmaster? get back to me

Aggp18

dynomax is a decent brand. i have a 2 1/2 cat back and it sounds great and gave a little more umph.

Nixon1

Second the vote for Dynomax. Cheap system, gets the job done...not worth spending the extra on something else IMO.

LT1guy

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Not sure why people think Flowmaster sucks...Redraif's torque is one of, if not the highest 60 degree V6 on this board (NA) and she's using a Flowmaster muffler. Even with the cutout open, virtually no improvement was shown over the correctly sized full exhaust system and Flowmaster, meaning the exhaust system was very efficient...as efficient as open pipes. My old 5.0 Mustang made 517hp at the wheels through a pair of 2 1/2 2 chambers, so I think they'll be enough for anyone here .

Most people's problems with Flowmasters come from having an engine that doesn't need the level of improvement a Flowmaster gives you...a Dynomax is better suited for them. I've heard both on a V6, and to me the Dynomax sounded like crap...stock, but slightly louder. Yuck. Even when it was an otherwise stock 2.8, Raif sounded much better than any 60 degree I ever heard through its Flowmaster. Anyone who has ever heard it in person will likely agree.

Nixon1

Heard both a Flow and a Dynomax in person on 2.8's and 3.1's. Yes, a Dynomax sounds stock but louder....but sounds much better at idle. A Flowmaster....well...it brings out the inherent nastiness of the V6 motor, IMO. Sounds raspy, burbly, poppy....just.....gets to you after a while. Heard a pair of 2 chambers also on a local Taurus SHO, with the v6, making WELL north of 300 rwhp.....fast *** car, but Ive never heard a sound so bad in my entire life. Sounded like....killing a cat, recording the sound, then taking the lifeless feline body and throwing it into a trash can, taping the lid down, then throwing it down a very bumpy and steep hill. Or mountain. Off topic, yes....but the point is, use a Flow if you NEED a Flow.

But let's be honest here. How many V6 guys really NEED a Flow. There's a large gap between need and want.

V6sucker

arrogant much...

the "power" that flowmaster gives you?... what 2? 3? if that...

I had a flowmaster and I hated it. It resonated way too much for my liking. I tried everything to quite the damn thing down with no avail. I was running a high flow cat, swapped back to stock and made no difference. I even added a 18" resonator... nothing...
I have only liked flowmasters on the 80's/90's STOCK mustang system. Every other one I have heard sounds like crap IMHO.

Granted yes, my car sounded great at idle, but be damned if you go over 3K... or wanted to cruise over 40 MPH... just thinking about it gives me a headache again...

84and85bird

I have a 50 series Flowmaster on my 2.8 and really like it. I've noticed that most guys with Flowmasters on 2.8s run 80 series. I origionally ran it without a cat. but it was very raspy above 2,000 RPM. However, after installing a cat, it really came in quite nice. Its rumbly at idle doesn't get raspy at higher RPMs anymore with the cat.

laiky

my brothers 84 HO has had a Flowmaster for over 10 years. sounds great and not very loud, in fact it irkes me that my slp system and 383 don't sound nearly as good. I don't understand the growing hatred of Flowmaster mufflers, i love them.

2_point8_boy

Just remember, opinions are like a$$holes...everyone has one, but most of them are crappy.

There are a million posts about this very question. Go back and search through all the junk there is, see if anyone can send you a sound clip, then make your own decision.

If you take everyone elses advice and choose one, you'll always wonder if the other could have been better suited to you.

KED85

Your car is PERFECT for a full on street legal headers & mufflers Pace Setter Exhaust system.
Contact Mr. Fred Gerle for any questions on the street legal headers or mufflers for your car.
fgerle@pacesetterexhaust.com

LT1guy

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Arrogant? No, I'm only stating what I have observed. I didn't say that its going to be a huge gain, just that its proven on her combination to be as efficient as no muffler at all...a much larger gain than you quoted, but most stockish 60 degee motors will be lucky to get 2-3hp with ANY muffler. As far as sound goes, it does sound better than any I have ever heard...hell, at the F-body Gathering lots of guys with modfied LT1s and LS1s were getting jealous that hers sounds better. Sure, it doesn't sound as great at higher RPMS, but few small engines do.
If you hate the Flowmaster sound, thats your choice...personally I don't think anything sounds better, modifed or not. If I wanted "loud stock" I'd just drill some holes in the muffler.

yupitsdadsbird

flowmaster = the same sound as a boat bobin in and out of the water.
Personally I like the sound of a glass pack I had it on both of my cars.


I am getting rid of the exhaust off my bird if any body wants it call it 50$ and Ill swap it. ( y-pipe back) it's all new after the cat with a thrush turbo ( noticed more with that then the glass pack)

WhitePower

Quit being a cheerleader.. every post i've read from you is the same thing "Contact Mr. Fred Girlie at..."

Doward

No offense 'Whitepower' but without Ked's constant advertising of the Pacesetter headers, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE HEADERS!

Have you done anything to bring more performance, more support, more aftermarket to our neglected little 60º V6s?

Until you do, sip on a nice cup of STFU.









And for the record, yes, I do get somewhat annoyed sometimes seeing it every other post - but I'll be damned if I'm going to post something like you did against it. KED's the reason we have headers, so back off.


I might argue Redraif having the most torque And yes, I do have a Flowmaster muffler. And Nixon's right - I hate the way it sounds, as well. Come to think of it, I can't stand Flowmasters on anything anymore. The Dynomax sounds nice, but if you want a sound similar to the Flowmaster sound, without the uglyness with it, then get the Hooker Aerochamber. SOOOO much nicer, imho.

I'll be going with a Bassani muffler, myself though. Sounds totally stock, until you get on it! Then, it has a more... exotic (for lack of a better term) sound to it. I love it. I was priviledged enough to hear Vinci Hi Performance (In Maitland, FL) Bassani Xhaust on an LS1 on the dyno. A lot of the guys thought it sounded 'weak' compared to the big cam'd Flowmasters, but for a street car, it was EXACTLY what I was looking for!

Another reason I hate Flowmaster - I have YET to see one that didn't fall apart (rusted through) around the welds

LT1guy

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I said "NA" Doward...obviously a V6 with a hairdrier is going to make more torque!

I have the Hooker Aerochamber on my SS right now (was going to sell the car, and decided to remove the much louder exhaust system that was on it), and I am very pleased with the quality (muffler isn't rusting, something that unfortunately can't be said about a Flowmaster unless you paint the welds with high heat paint) and the ability to remove the rear section of the system, sicne it has a three bolt flange. Its still a little too quiet for me, but sounds better than a Dynomax IMHO. I have always thought of Dynomax being the percect muffler for toning down the nocise level of a big block cruiser, though they do work well in boosted applications also. I've just never personally liked the sound of any muffler with packing on a small engine...too much like glasspacks to me, a sound I associate more with logging trucks than anything else (no offense to the guy above who likes glaspacks).

WhitePower

I just don't understand how Pacesetter gets to advertise here without being a sponsor?? They're getting an awful lot of business from this site, IMO they should be supporting it if they want the biz.

LT1guy

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They are supporting it this site by making parts that we requested...no other major exhaust company has done so. BTW Ked doesn't work for Pacesetter so it isn't advertising anyway. Members here can reccomend anyone they want, advertiser or not.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

I still haven't heard a 2.8~3.4 sound as bad a$$ as the 4th gen 3.4 w/the Raven exhaust I heard. but that's just me.

hell, what other major company has?

Akshay

Well, it really depends what you are looking for in a muffler and your engine's setup.

1. Big Block sound on stock engine? Then go with Flowmaster 80series. Use the proper sized exhaust pipe recommended by Flowmaster.

2. Performance sound on stock to mild engines? Straight-through mufflers like Magnaflow or Hooker mufflers. I would still use stock sized exhaust pipes. Larger exhaust pipes would cool exhaust gasses, reducing exhaust velocity or flow. Reducing exhaust flow/velocity increases backpressure.

3. For supercharged or turbo'd engines, used Magnaflow or Hooker freeflow muffers AND go with larger exhaust pipes.

I guess Dynomax have straight-through mufflers.

V6sucker

I just finished a dual pipe setup using a magnaflow on my truck.
I used a 22" long dual in, dual out with built in cross-over. All 2.5" and small 4" Diam 6-7" long tips.
Granted the muffler is not broken in yet, but standing beside the truck, it sounds almost stock, a few notes higher and choppier but very quite.
When I hit the throttle, it is another story... gets deep and throughty(sp?) The only real things I would change is have the pipes exit at a 45* instead of straight out and see what larger (meaning longer) tips would sound like. But that is still very doable, just a couple cuts and welds away... May do that later when I have more time and money.

Doom Sayer

I'm not sure what type of exhaust is on my car, but I really like the sound of it. My friend has flowmasters on his 3.4 and mine sounds a lot deeper than his.. Almost sounds like a V8 at idle.

dcm01003

Hookers are the best

laiky

I prefer drunk coeds.