PONCH78

Actually nothing is factory anymore besides the P/S pump. It's a 400 sb and an aftermarket waterpump with a flex fan. I'm going to buy a vintage air A/C kit so the only thing to change is the P/S pump. not sure how to tell the difference in water pumps but I didnt have to use the shim like i did on the stock 350 water pump

PONCH78

My experience with you pull it is they have junk cars that are completely stripped before us commoners even get our mits on them

BOOT77

np you'll figure it out then, mine isn't either but I knew I wanted to use my fan shroud and stock brakets. Now my mustang with a sbc and motorplate I used aftermarket brakets/spacers/shims to get it all lined up.

I'll assume your not gonna use a shroud then and If you go with long style pulleys I'd check fitment as the crank pulley might hit the front cradle.

hornick

Ok guys sorry to bump this back to the top but I've been gathering parts and researching this for quite sometime and I have 2 questions. First off my ride, 1986 Trans Am TPI... I am under the understanding that my hard fuel lines most be changed out..? Anyone have any part#'s for me? Or some other information on this topic? Also... My stock air box and filter set up.... will it still work? Or do I need to track down a different set up? Thanks for the help guys! Thanks-

cronsformula350

I have the metal & stock rubber fuel lines, in good shape that goes from the front subframe rail to the motor, behind the alternator to the intake. They're in good shape too. You have one single rubber hose deal running to the air box right? I have extra camaro dual snorkel lids and bottoms too, I do have quite a few parts still. Go to my site and see what you might need

hornick

Whats your sites address? I found a "cold air intake" on ebay for 88-89 firebird or camaro TPI.... I am unsure what lines my 1986 TPI has on it... I am currently in Iraq and won't be home to her until September 1, 2011. But the research I did showed I need new lines due to clearance issues with my originals?

cronsformula350

Well my website is www.cardomain.com/cronsformula if you go to the 8th page, thats my iroc site, I have the same TPI metal fuel lines and the rubber lines that go between the engine and the frame rail. They're in good shape, just buried at my parents. I have the example in the pictures you can see.

What else would you need? U can make your own air induction with 3" exhaust tubing, as long as u have the elbow that goes to the throttle body or the IROC straight one, which I also have, lol. Let me know

hornick

Awesome let me check that page out, and you may be my new best friend!

hornick

I am good on the intake as I found this one on ebay...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT
What I am looking for and I don't know what exactly I need are the fuel lines off of a 88-92 TPI car. When I swap to a serpentine setup my factory lines running to the fuel rail will no longer work. I believe your 1987 Camaro has the same lines that I do on Trans Am. I think i need the rubber to metal lines... seen in the pictures below here... http://sethirdgen.org/serpentine.htm Do you have those available? Thanks- Ryan

hornick

Are these the correct fuel lines I would need on my 1986 TPI to run a serpentine setup?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camar...item588c8c1518

cronsformula350

that other link doesn't work I guess, they keep changing stuff. Go to
www.cardomain.com/ride/471099/8 for my iroc stuff or any other page for other things. U can use whatever you want for your car. Are you doing a stock build with stock engine? OR do you wanna go fast and have more power?

hornick

My ride has a rebuilt 305 TPI with 5,000 miles on her she runs ok, I am in the process of tuning her up. In preparation for a supercharger I am converting to a serpentine setup in her.. and I just like it better than the V-belt. I have all brackets, pulleys hardware etc. Just doing some more research before I get back to the USA and tear her down. When I tear in to her I am also putting a 3 core radiator in with dual electric fans, upgrading to 0 gauge power and grounding battery cables in the engine bay with a 140 amp alternator, she just got a wonder bar, LS1 front brake upgrade, PBR rear upgrade, hooker headers with a borla catback exhaust and subframe connectors, eibach sportline springs, koni struts and shocks a new gas tank and sending unit assy. All steering and suspension components are new or soon to be. The tranny is built for racing applications with 3,000miles on her. Ultimately she is a cruiser, and sunny day driver with a bunch of go fast gear on her.


But back to the topic... stock fuel lines will work for my purposes, but I am not opposed to some stainless steel braided ones. I think I just need a 90 elbow off of the rail and then its a straight shot to the main lines... RIGHT? But go fast with more power is almost always better... Whats your recommendations? Any idea on diameter of line and threads for fittings?

cronsformula350

Well for a 450hp+ motor a -6 line is fine, U can buy adapters to go from stock lines to an lines, to convert to a HSR intake maybe. OR you can just run a -6 to the front for return and feed. But I still run stock fuel lines in my formula, and I just threw a rod in the stock bottom end last wknd, now I have to build a motor, and am chasing down forged internals, no more stock insides for me, lol

hornick

Thats terrible man, I threw a rod in my Trans Am after buying it and driving it 53 miles... Never buy a car off ebay...lol... or at least go look at it first! Any Idea on length needed of new line from fuel rail to line on fuel rail? http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=214270_0_0_
these work you think? Its hard for me to know since I am in Iraq and my car is in NY, and I am just trying to get all parts needed there ahead of time!

cronsformula350

That will probably be longer than you need, but it would work, I have original TPI stuff we can use, or I can send you when you come back, just private msg me and we can talk when you come back. Its at my dads house in his shed, I have a lot of stuff still

protek25

Please see nest post. Didn't mean to hit enter when I did!

protek25

I've looked all over the boards....can't find the answer to this question.....I have an 84 Z28. Looking to change from v belts to serpentine. Don't need, or want the air pump, and am changing from electronic carb to Cliff Ruggles prepared Quadra jet, and HEI dist.
I have a '96 K2500 pick up with the serpentine belt system, and NO AIR pump. The passenger side bracked just has the alternator, and tensioner. No need for dummy pulleys. Looks much cleaner than the air pump delete route. It uses a Senden AC pump on the drivers side. It sure looks to me like it would just bolt right to the Vortec headed engine I'm preparing for it. The truck is TBI, and the AC pump actually appears to be lower than the old style pump that was in the Z when I got it. Will this setup work?

KITT1983

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awesome

MoJoe

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An SBC is an SBC, for the most part. I assume the '96 truck is still an SBC of the Vortec variety, which means the accessory brackets should work with the Vortec head SBC you are building.

I converted my '87 TPI to 88+ brackets... I also needed the serpentine specific 1) fuel lines, 2) AIR pump-to-diverter tube, 3) passenger side AIR manifold (mounted to the exhaust manifold), 4) 89+ AC pigtail. Fortunately, the package I bought off EBay had ALL of the other large parts, including accessories, AND ALL of the nuts and bolts.

Joe

protek25

Joe, Thanks for your input! Just a clarification....I was asking if the truck setup would fit under the hood of my Z. The AC compressor seems to sit lower than the top of the TBI on the truck, but the space available under the hood of the Z may be too cramped. If it would fit, though, the newer compressors are more efficient, and better suited to R134. So, even though I know it'll bolt on and work, will it fit under the hood is what I was wondering.

IROCgiraffe

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Anyone know what size inverted torx socket is needed to remove/install the studs that are screwed into the block/cylinder head for the alternator/power steering and AC compresor brackets?

I will be visiting the local Pull 'a' PArt and will be on the hunt for these studs.

1blackmeaniroc

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i have a 1986 iroc it has a volt gauge does anyone know if i need to put a resistor in the L terminal to make the alternator work properly

APACHE JOHN

8 mm

jmd

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4bbl / Serp. guys (James? ),

Is the stock metal line able to work with the stock style fuel pump and (Chevy side inlet) Q-jet along with the passenger side bracket? If a new one needs bent, that's fine but I'm hoping to hear additional experiences or see pictures.

rgauder

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Do I need to do anything to my heads to convert to serpentine on my 87? Do I have to change my fuel lines?

91banditt2

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87 F Bodies came with serpentine, I'm assuming someone changed that at some point?

BizJetTech

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Negative - 87 F bodies came with V belt

91banditt2

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Then what year did they go serpentine? 88-89? I was thinking 87 🤷🏼‍♂️

BizJetTech

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1988

84 1LE

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87 had both types, didnt it?

Drew

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True serpentine belts started in 88. Some 85s-87 have a multi-ribbed belt on the alternator and waterpump. In a manner of speaking, 85-86 are one setup, 87 the alternator switched to the CS style, 88 is the first serpentine, 89-92 use the same brackets, but different support braces. So you get a lot of 'sets' that were only used for a year or two without a change.

Re: Fuel lines... The TPI fuel lines on serpentine cars are different. Up to 87 the TPI cars have the hard fuel lines extending from the fuel rail over to the driver's exhaust manifold, then the lines jump over to the frame rail. 88-up the lines on the frame rail are different, and the hardlines on the engine are much shorter. The engine mounted hardlines have to snake between the accessories and brackets, so you need the 88-up style to convert an earlier car.

jmd

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it will bolt up to your heads.

The 4bbl fuel line needs tweaked. I can't remember what needs done. My line had been previously modified before I even did the serp swap. It had been cut, slightly flared, and connected with fuel hose and clamps.