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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:03 AM
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 04:02 PM
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I kinda like it.
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 04:36 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

That is hilarious... Looks great! Lots of room for a few nitrous nozzles or to put a spray bar in there too.

We all want to see some engine specs and dyno numbers!!
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 06:32 PM
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Looks good to me.
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 08:10 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

Nice welding.

I bet that either has crappy air distribution or great air distribution. At first I thought it might be problematic, but I think you have just enough overhang in the rear that it probably actually works better than a throttle body directly on the singleplane like mine. With that much plenum volume it probably responds very well on the street too.

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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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Its not the prettiest but I'd bet it'll work very well!
Would have been nifty to bolt a cut up "fake" set of stock runners on each side just to mess with people.
Get that sucker on the dyno and show it off.

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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:30 PM
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Very interested in how well this actually works
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:59 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

That looks like a great idea. Some of the cobra intakes look like that and they make good power.
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 10:12 PM
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I like it.. Interested in how it actually performs..
Good work..
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 10:53 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

Nice, that's similar to an intake I've seen before (from Car craft rse 95)...
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 11:13 PM
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Thats badass! lets see some videos!
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 11:29 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

There's a lot going on there. Love the coil mount.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 02:55 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

Originally Posted by anesthes
I bet that either has crappy air distribution or great air distribution. At first I thought it might be problematic, but I think you have just enough overhang in the rear that it probably actually works better than a throttle body directly on the singleplane like mine. With that much plenum volume it probably responds very well on the street too.
With the runners pulling from a common plenum like that, it's very unlikely it's crappy.

Think of these two: LT1 has injector compensation for imbalanced air distro. Known issue; solved by programming. Runners are pulling off a hugely long plenum. Turbo Buicks can use a power plate to avoid rear cylinder overloading / lean conditions since they're boosted more than the front cylinders. Again, a fairly large, long plenum.

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Its not the prettiest but I'd bet it'll work very well!
Would have been nifty to bolt a cut up "fake" set of stock runners on each side just to mess with people.
I think that's a really good idea for a friend's car that "needs" EFI, more than a TPI intake but needs to pass emissions.

Originally Posted by deadbird
Nice, that's similar to an intake I've seen before (from Car craft rse 95)...
Now did he use a 2 x 4bbl tunnel ram to mod?
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 09:33 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

I like the clamps over the oil breather holes. Custom.

Also that article says that bird has a Vette IRS, and gets 30 mpg too.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 01:04 AM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

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I like the clamps over the oil breather holes. Custom.

Also that article says that bird has a Vette IRS, and gets 30 mpg too.
It's from the Real Street Eliminator Challenge. The T/A was beat on MPG buy a GN that averages 46.17mpg in the closed circuit course.

Article only states tunnel ram. The guy is a marine welder by trade.

My phone doesn't take awesome pictures but, I still have the Car Craft the snippet is from...
(and yes, ONLY the 3rdgen got the color spread)
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 05:23 AM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

Originally Posted by deadbird
It's from the Real Street Eliminator Challenge. The T/A was beat on MPG buy a GN that averages 46.17mpg in the closed circuit course.

Article only states tunnel ram. The guy is a marine welder by trade.

My phone doesn't take awesome pictures but, I still have the Car Craft the snippet is from...
(and yes, ONLY the 3rdgen got the color spread)
What phone do you have? I bought turboscan for my iphone the other day as I often need to scan legal documents and email them and it works pretty darn good.

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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 06:49 AM
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........ I don't have any dyno numbers yet ... every time I get the tune where I want to give it a go something else comes up ... lost the clutches in the posi unit and welded the spider gears to the cross shaft ... had to replace the diff carrier ... then lost the 3-4 clutch pack in the trans ... the breather hold-downs were a patch just to get back on the track ... kept blowing them out at 6500 rpm ... dang Chinese valve covers ... Current combo is 409ci with AFR heads , Comp solid roller , the power definitely moved up the rpm scale ... when I get the trans back in it'll have a 4000 stall converter up from 2800 ... here's another variation to see if smaller runners would help ... heard a lot of comments about plenum volume , but I think I'm still less than a Super Ram and my 8"-9" runners .........



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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 06:54 AM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Its not the prettiest but I'd bet it'll work very well!
Would have been nifty to bolt a cut up "fake" set of stock runners on each side just to mess with people.
Get that sucker on the dyno and show it off.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 06:58 AM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

......... Like this ? ....... the first version had plates that bolted over the port holes but the uneven distribution of screw holes caused it to leak ... I bolted on some fake runners to mess with people and to help seal the side covers ... since then I've just welded up the ports in the sides of the plenum ... makes a cleaner look ... most people don't even notice ...........
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by musicfreako
Very interested in how well this actually works
........ At full weight ... six speaker stereo , working A/C , and a trailer hitch on '87 vette and 2800 stall converter I was running 7.40's @ 92 mph eighth mile ... 60 foot times are up vs. the FIRST tuned port but I picked up nearly 4 tenths of a second overall with this intake and the switch from an XFI hydraulic to this street solid roller cam ......


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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 01:44 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

deadbird- I used to have that exact issue but threw it out years ago, along with a bunch of others I wish I would have kept.
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 03:07 PM
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looks sorta like my Lingenfelter Elbow i have sitting on the shelf.
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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 09:05 PM
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Any pics of the lingenfelter elbow?
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 04:07 PM
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I wonder how this would stack up against the HSR? Probably would be pretty close
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Old May 20, 2013 | 01:25 AM
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Any updates on this? Thsi seems like to good of an idea to let slip by lol
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Old May 20, 2013 | 04:32 PM
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Re: My Variation on a Single Plane EFI

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Any updates on this? Thsi seems like to good of an idea to let slip by lol
..... Nothing new to report ... life keeps interfering with the progress on this combo ... somewhere after the 700R4 trans burning the 3-4 clutches , I decided to go with a 4L60E to let the trans shift electronically , then I discovered that Rossler Trans had a trans brake for the 4L60E and I had to have one ... that delayed the build while I moved into new digs and tried to scrounge the money for a TCI/TCU and the brake ... then I decided to finish the build on the "new" 406" small block and put it in the vette with the new trans ... that's about where it stands right now ... short block is built and ready ... new Mahle slugs and Lunati Pro Mod I-beam rods ... I'll run the same solid roller cam ... the trans is 98% done ... gotta get a deeper pan to accommodate the trans brake and weld some bungs in it for the brake wiring and a temp gauge ... I would have tried the Stealth Ram if it would've fit under the hood ..... Stay tuned .........


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