well i might get what i want...someone wants to trade me my car for their 77 T/A SE. damn nice condition. so then u guys wont have to get all pissy at me anymore.

 

 

oh no...its Attack of the Catfish 4th gens!!

 

heres the real reason i would want a 4th gen and get a body kit for it. this is from the fbody havock video

 

lol thats weird if u scroll up or down and left to right the camaro moves

 

86Street-For as long as I have known you, I would advise you go buy a new Cavilier or something like that. See owning and modifying a car means you actually will have to WORK on the car YOURSELF. If you are unable to perform that task and bitch and complain everytime you have a leaky valve cover gasket or whatever the problem is that week, you should just sell the car and buy a daily driver.

I remember one instance you parked your car for about 3 weeks because you thought your transmission was "gone." I came over shortly after and told you you needed a new modulator (sp?) for the trans. You say "No, the trans is gone." Take it to the trans shop and guess what they tell you you need???

"somwhere between 4500 to 5000 for my car...."

I think thats way to high for the car. Lets evaluate it.

Paint-Fair to poor condition. Major orange peel with tree sap stains that won't come off.

Body-Rot starting around wheelwell. Floorpans are smashed up in rear to accomidate a poorly routed exhaust sytem. Rear seats won't sit in the car right b/c of this.

Engine-"Reconditioned" Advance Auto engine that you went back 3 or 4 times claiming you bought a 350 and got a 327 or the other way around. Still have no clue of what it is.

The engine has no power around the 400 horse you thought just by throwing on a crappy intake and a Holley carb. My old Camaro didnt have 400 HP at the rear tires at the time and the time me and you raced... I left your car in second gear at 1/2 throttle. I actually cant recall a car you have actually beat. (This includes a stock 4x4 ranger, mustangs, stock lo3 '88 SC, and so on...)

Ride Hight-The wheels are majorly have the wrong backspacing for the car combined with the cheaply routed duals had to require air shocks to lift the car up.

If i was to buy your car I would have to strip all the old paint, repaint the car, put a new engine in it, new rims and tires, new rear floorpans...I would offer about $400-600 for the car and you can keep you engine.

I hate to say it but you brought this upon yourself, the truth sucks sometimes.

 

I seem to recall there is a v6 3rd gen that will take out v8 4th gens as well

 

see, thats exactly why I combined both of them:

'92 RS + '95 LT1 = BAD *** RIDE!!! :hail: LT1 torque

 

really, which one is that >>>> TTA:hail: :hail:

 

 

L98 Torque :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

4th Gen looks........

4th Gen interior & Engine..........

3rd Gen LO3 engine..... &

3rd Gen Looks.........



I'm no mad scientist trying to breed two different races here, but i see a simple solution to the problem.......

 

:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

In the UK most American iron looks great,let alone a Camaro as they are as rare as rocking horse sh*t.I personally prefer a 3rd Gen because it looks American through and through and turns heads like you wouldn't believe.The 4th gens look a bit too european or jap for my liking but that's just my opinion.I also would like to know how difficult it is to work on a car whose engine is partly stuffed underneath the dash.I can't understand why people compare engines because for me the point of hot rodding is to take the original crap that came with (an '82 anyway) and make it better.If you think it's big bucks in the USA,you want to take a look at UK prices for parts!!!

By the way,those pics from Kj rockz and others are great,keep the flames alight!!!

 

1.Buying that car would likely have been a huge mistake. Trust me. Any LT1 car under about 6 or 7 grand around here has had the living crap beat out of it. They're cheap for a reason. Plus 93-94 had more ignition problems than the other years, and 93s still use the old style ECM with PROMs.

2. The 3G F-body in itself, while not neccesarily very fast in a straight line in most cases, is an excellent platform to build on. Excellent suspension design and low center of gravity gives them the potential to be unreal handling cars, and the WS6/Z cars are pretty good stock. For straight line, they are a great low cost platform all around and readily available, and for the price, you can still spend $$ on a nice motor. My way of looking at all cars is you find a car you like, then make it faster. Thats why I don't give the legit import guys too much crap. Not that theres anything wrong with buying a car just because its fast.


3. "its a mustang. i would only take a cobra or a saleen."
Take a ride in mine, I might change your mind. And you better hope you never are running next to me on the road cause that race won't be pretty. And mine's 100% stock.

4. Why don't you tell everyone WHY you have so much $$$ invested in the car? Like the advance auto parts engine or 3 blown trannies. While you're at it, mention how I repeatedly walked all over you in my 88, with the LO3 that just had exhaust and open element. Getting lit up by a car that bested a 16.24 in the 1/4 mile is pretty sad for a carb'd 350. Why'd you always go from a roll anyway? You could have had that car flying for less than half the $$ you've spent. And that dual exhaust is proably hurting more than its helping, its pretty crappified. And whats this about getting sideways around corners? I'll show ya sideways....

5. somwhere between 4500 to 5000 for my car....
HAHAHA Thats hilarious. Mike gave a nice write up of the cars condition. Guys, the piuctures aren't telling the whole story. Its much better in the pictures. I can't ever get a bite on mine trying to sell it for 3, and a stock/mostly stock car is actually worth more $$.

6. I'm officially calling you out. Next time I see you driving around, I will follow you until I get a race out of you. I've got spots to goto. I'll have my snow tires on until about march, but that won't even matter. You'll still be toast. Hell if my camaro can beat you, The GT will rip your car apart both in speed and handling, actually damn near everything come to think of it.


I've always been nice man, but starting this thread was just dumb. Anything anyone says to you is your own fault. And you know for a fact that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to cars, I've proved this many times.

 

first of all...i dont ever remember you "toasting me"...yes you would pull. and in the mustang i know you would beat me. its quite evident. and i wasnt starting this post to **** people off. it was a serious guestion. but ohh well. i dont care. dont worry about how much i want for it. if thats how much i want to sell it for then thats how much ill get out of it. i never really wanted a race car anyways. i wanted a decent show car and a nice engine. which i find better than the 305. i can easily make it beat your car. just different heads...bigger cam. just some half way simple crap. yes it wont be stock. and i understand your car is fast. the engine in my car is also about 27 years older than your car. but i am not all about power and beating people in the local area. i dont care. i am not tryin to talk crap about your car but if we went to a car show i am willing to bet mine would get more looks just b/c u dont see one like that everyday. yes you have a nice car.dont get me wrong. but i like some power and some looks. i just dont care anymore. good bye

 

1. So maybe toasted was a stretch, but plain and simple I outpowered you with a LO3 when you had a 350 wiht a 4 barrel and headers. Yet you were talkin smack to Dan about how you'd walk all over his mustang like 2 weeks before that.

2.I'm not worried about how much you want for it. Just don't expect to sell it for that price unless the buyer is an uneducated moron who knows nothing about cars but has money to burn.

3. If you wanted a decent show car with a nice engine, why did you buy a car that looks like it has the $500 from maaco and put an advanced auto parts engine in it?

4. Then why did you over and over always try to race me?

And you couldn't buld up that motor if you tried. You'd have somone else do it, just like you didn't hardly toch that motor putting it in, other people did almost all the work. Anyway, Cya around town. Try and recapture your pride by arguing with me more if you want, but it'll be a waste of your time.

 

i think each generation of the camaro has its pros and cons. i LOVE third gens. they do have their weak areas and some things i dont nessisarily like, but thats where they modifications come in.

My rank: Third Gen, First Gen, Second and Fourth tied. i cant put one before the other. the early second gens were badass. IMO

 

thirdgen week points i think are the week 10 bolts, week manuals, and low powered motor from factory. But I like working on mine and i think it just gives me a reason to put something alot better in there. If any car was perfect everyone would have one, Right?

 

Damn, I'm late on the subject. I don't drop by enough anymore.

About the comment on maybe he belongs on LS1.com... ( http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...hlight=italian )

People still love the thirdgens... even fourth gen people.

If you truely believe your thirdgen is so ugly, then deal with it. Either make it look good or sell for a fourth gen. Personally, to me a fourth gen is not only dime-a-dozen but the LT1 does not impress me too much. The ls1 is a different story, but we're talking pretty steep price range when talking ls1s.

The lt1 is bascially a L98 with a good intake. Yea, it's got a couple more advantages, such as better flowing heads and a slightly bigger cam, but for the most part it just a slightly modified gen 1 block. Even in stock terms the L98 and Lt1 run very very close.

Also, 5 grand is probably a little too high. I don't even know if I'd try for that much, and my car is 5 years newer, and around $4000 in exterior changes.

I'll agree with that as well.


It's all a matter of opinion as to which car you like and what your plans of use are. But to come on a thirdgen board saying that thirdgens are ugly and you'd much rather have a fourth gen... somewhere along the way in the typing of www.thirdgen.org it should have dawned upon you that most wouldn't agree with your opinion.

86street, if your buying you want to speed, you won't have as much fun. It's nice to have that extra speed at the cost of no work, but it'll never be the same as building your own, and when you are beat and you want to go faster.... you won't know how. Most people buy a car that's already fast when they are getting out of the hobby, not when they are midstage of it. If your a fan of fourthgens, that's fine, but why call everyone elses car ugly?

Disclaimer: No feelings were hurt in you thinking thirdgens are ugly, I hope you enjoy your fourth gen. Go for an LS1 if your aiming for a fourth gen though.

 

I am late too, but very entertained. Ion91Z28, that is one beautiful ride you have. I have dreams about your car, with Britney Spears in the passenger seat.....

anyway, I love Camaros, and Firebirds and Vettes, and I even tolerate Mustangs. anything not made in Japan gets a thumbs up from me.

since there will be no more F Bodies, I think we should all make a combined effort to appreciate all of the cars that are left, regardless of how ugly they were/are. A Camaro is still a Camaro, regardless of which generation it is.

But I still love 3rd gens the most.

 

I like both the third and fourth gen cars. I personally own a third gen Formula since new in 1990 and have no intention of parting with it. I have done many mods to it and sunk quite a bit of money into it over the years but not with the intent of making any profit from it other than improving the car and the driving experience. Now don't get me wrong,if the opportunity to have a Ram Air T/A came up I would take it in a minute but not at the expense of my 90.

 

first i didnt try and try to race you. it was always just jokin around. and i did work on my engine a little bit. but when it came to puttin it in i let the people who knew what they were doin do it. thats all i needed was to **** it up. anyways i didnt see you around til after it was done anyways. so how do u if i worked on it or not. just b/c u didnt see me workin on it doesnt mean a damn thing. but i just dont care what you or anyone else has to say b/c you can all just **** off.

 

I think whatever car you own, you should love it and even it's more non-desirable traits.

If you don't like it, get something else that you will enjoy and stop complaining about what you have. You make the car feel badly when it's only being itself.

I have a stock V6 and for what it's worth (which more than I care to think about) it has very good pick up and drives very well.

I wouldn't mind having a 4th gen Ram Air but I would never get rid of my Camaro for one. I finally got my second gen TTA that I wanted and we also have a first gen Camaro....I'm good to go. ^_^

 

 

Silver 87, I see ALOT of references to marriage in this one......

I think whatever girl you marry, you should love her and even her more non-desirable traits.

If you don't like her, get a new girl that you will appreciate and stop complaining about your marriage. You make the wife feel badly when all she is doing is being herself.

Analogy: Even though your wife may not be the best one in the world, she has always been there for you and is great to be around

I wouldn't mind having a new wife, but that's no reason to get rid of the one you have. ....


The point to all of this....

When buying a car it should be considered like a marriage, You make a commitment with the car to be there through the good time(car shows, cruising) as well as the bad times(broken, won't start, slow)........Just because of a few small flaws you dno't junk the car, you work through it and you will find you respect the car much more for what you have been through with it........

LOL, ok that's engough.......since we always we refer to our cars as girls, why do you think that is?

 

Man, where do I start...

"first of all...i dont ever remember you "toasting me"

I remember that like 2 or 3 times. I was riding shotgun. And you were just playing around. I heard your engine wrapped out...

"i can easily make it beat your car. just different heads...bigger cam"

...different engine. A advance auto parts lower end will NOT hold up to over 300 HP. I even gave you my engines builder's number before you bought the "rebuilt" engine and told you you would be happier with that...

"the engine in my car is also about 27 years older"

I thought it was rebuilt?? Which is it. First its a new engine, then its a 27 yr old engine...

"if we went to a car show i am willing to bet mine would get more looks just b/c u dont see one like that everyday"

I doubt it. If so, not in a positive way... I think I described that above. I see about a dozen of your cars every day. Maybe not with the 12 inch hood, but otherwise stock z-28's.

"Yet you were talkin smack to Dan about how you'd walk all over his mustang like 2 weeks before that."

You did decline to race him after he beat me that night. (Although either of our cars were at full potential then) And he gave you the opportunity too. I think you saw if I smoked your car the night before and danny beat me...well put 2 and 2 together.

Believe it or not, I really don't have anything against you though. I am just stating the facts and I have offered my assistance on your car many times, and hey if you need another engine, I know where a 350 4-bolt with forged pistons and a cam similiar to mine is for $450...give me a call if you are interested.

 

you think i am gonna actually call you...lol...you are pretty funny. and what no one realizes i joke alot. thats how i joke. i talked **** to dan. yes. as a joke. why u think i wouldnt race him. i wasnt that stupid.

 

Bridge the generation gap, I got 4th gen under the hood, between the rear tires, under my a**, between my seats, the hood, the spoiler and the rims, and still have mainly 3rd gen appearance, still has 3rd gen handling, with a lil more power than the average thirdgen.

 

My *** people listen to yourselves. Don't you people have anyhitng else better to do than rip on some 18 year old's car? Man the childish antics talk about. If the guy likes his car..then what the hell should it matter what the **** you think about it? Your guys' cars aren't all that either.

 

I'd like to line up next to this stcok stang and see just how "not pretty" it really is.

 

thanks for sticking somewhat for me

 

Hey Jamie I was waiting for you to jump in here. I am glad its not to bash anyone.


I thought that all you Peoria guys were friends. I don't know about how things go out there but where I live --me and all my car friends help fix the flaws in our cars together-- not talk sh*t about eachother or our cars. A persons car can be a very touchy subject and the topic of whats wrong with it or what can make it look better needs to be approached with care. Otherwise its like walking up to a new parent and telling them that their baby is ugly-- so things are better left unsaid and if you feel the need to say things anyway then atleast be tasteful about the way that you do it. I am not getting into this fight since I do know all of you and respect you all and your cars in one way or another. I am just stating that this post doesn't have to be filled with such personal content to stay along its original intent.

Nikki

 

"If the guy likes his car..then what the hell should it matter what the **** you think about it?"

Well the thing is, the guy doesnt like his car. Look at his original post Allen made about thirdgens being worthless. Jamie, you are my witness, I have offered my assistance to Allen over and over again to improve his car. Offered him my rims and tires before I sold my car, then again found a deal on the same rims and told him about them, trying to talk him out of purchasing a "new" engine, offered to sand the car down so he could paint it, helped put exhaust on the car...

Nikki-We all get along down here. I've actually been helping Jamey out with his TA lately. Allen just brings it upon himself sometimes. Like I said before, I have nothing against him, he's a cool guy, but when somethings goes wrong or he doesnt like, you just don't stare at it and it fixes itself. Not much for the club anymore, I told Jamey its in his hands if he wants to continue it. I've sold my RS and Daves looking to sell his Camaro as well so maybe a more general area for the club. Ex...Illinois Third Gens vs Heart of Illinois Third Gens.

Jamey-Did you ever pick up those rims off of the TransAm we saw in the junkyard? I wanted to mention that if you buy them you will need to get spacers as well. Did you pick up that fuel pump yet? I can't wait to hear my old engines "clone!!"

 

Hey it wouldn't be that ugly, I mean, 3Gen Camaros with the Hi rise, blackouts, and nice tips look pretty cool from behind.

You car sounds like it'd be good for very low 13s easy on street tires. Nice. Vey nice. And even though you weren't takin my side, its cool to stick up for somone like that. I am aware that since I'm a mustang owner, I'm kinda one of "the other guys" now when I come around here.

Anyway, this has gone on long enough and I cant beleive its not locked, so this'll be my last post in this thread. I've had enough fun for now.

 

4th gens definitely handle better than all previous f-bodys, but hands down i'd take a 1st gen over any other era... next comes 3rd, then the 2nd gens... one day i'll get my hands on a '68 :hail:

 

What I said was said in good fun, and I am not against you. Everyone was just talkin **** and I felt like jumpin in for no particular reason. Good to see your a good sport about it, no disrespect. Stay cool!

 

Why do I like the thirdgens? Well, I was born in the early 80's. I grew up looking at these cars, I always wanted one. Come 2000 I finally bought one, and I'm happy as hell about it.