What do you not like about your thirdgen?
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Yes sir I did...Well more like 130 something, it was still pulling pretty good..It was right at 140 tho, had some left.Before the tranny was fixed it would not do over 110 to 115...We also did a bunch of other stuff to it, at the same time the tranny was put back in..I had just got new tires, and was on a long straight road...Funny thing was I thought I messed the engine up, because as soon as I let off the gas, the motor started running funny...One of the primary wires on the coil had worked its way loose...The plastic clip that held it on had broken off somehow...The car handled good at high speed with all the suspension mods done..
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
you know, everyone complains about the cupholders, but i think i know how we can swap some in. if i find out ill let you know
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Car: 89 Camaro RS
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Like I said before your lap or your hip where the seat.belt sits are both EXCELLENT cup holders
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I enjoy driving it when it runs, all the electrical problems have me wanting to use it for target practice for my AK. It rattles, leaks, and is general a PITA. My 2nd gen Z 28's were far superior in reliability, AND performance. Sorry I ever traded this car for my Harley and some guns. It has been nothing short of a head ache since I got it.
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From: Montreal, Canada
Car: 1986 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28
Engine: TPI 310ci (LB9)
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I enjoy driving it when it runs, all the electrical problems have me wanting to use it for target practice for my AK. It rattles, leaks, and is general a PITA. My 2nd gen Z 28's were far superior in reliability, AND performance. Sorry I ever traded this car for my Harley and some guns. It has been nothing short of a head ache since I got it.
Rattling: Tighten up all components (things loosen after 25 years), install frame connectors (these cars chassis are like flimsy paper when stock), put some kind of padding / insulation in between plastic panels, etc. Mine is solid and tight and makes no rattling. TIP: Doors are a major source of rattling, but can be tightened, and improved.. It just needs some creativity.
Leaks: New weatherstripping, installed properly, will fix this. My t-tops leak.. But I can see the rubber is so brittle it's crumbling. Obviously it's not going to prevent water from getting into the car. I have new t-top weatherstripping, I just need to install it but I'm waiting until I paint the whole car so I do it all at once.
My car was the most enjoyable car I ever owned. Yes it is a pain sometimes, but third gens were superior than 2nd gens in performance (unless you count the early year 2nd gens, they had big CI engines), handling, aerodynamics were lighter and I think most of us can agree are arguably some of the best looking cars ever produced. What they did lack was a stiffer chassis (frame connectors), good brakes (install big brake kit like the LS1 brake kit), and overheating probs (install lower temp thermostat, dual fans and a good rad and it'll be fine).
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Electrical problems, lets see, speedometer, every switch inthe thing, tachometer, , starting problems,(even with a tune up on anemic 305tpi, And yes if I wanted to invest a lot of money into a a car that is driven daily then with frame stiffeners, new seling rubber and a plethora of electrical replacement I would own a "new" 20 yr old car, but economics what they are is a factor in the enjoyability aspect of this car. Yes it is the better looking than a 2nd gen if you like smaller sporty cars, yes it handeled better too, but, I guess it is a fault if my 350 was easy to work on, didn't have a computer to keep it from starting up, was a solid car, and could eat up a Corvette on the open road,( which I did a few times). People are asking what you dion't like about the car here, I am just putting in my 2 cents worth here. If you love your car then hey, thats cooler than ice, I like the car, but, from owning two 2nd gen z 28's, I know that I would prefer to own one of them if I could find one tht isn't all ate up from abuse. These are ok cars if you want to invest a bunch of cash in them, sleek, low and good handling, but they are a victim of too much poor technology and enineering, that the most basic things in them are not working any more and need replacement. I have owned older cars than this that were beat to death and still would strat and run on a reliable daily basis. Like I said if ya llike this car then kudos to ya, but out of the Camaros I have owned,(4 now), this is not my favorite.
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Car: 1988 IROC Z
Engine: 5.7 litre
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Axle/Gears: 3.27 Posi with 4 wheel disc brakes
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Electrical problems, lets see, speedometer, every switch inthe thing, tachometer, , starting problems,(even with a tune up on anemic 305tpi, And yes if I wanted to invest a lot of money into a a car that is driven daily then with frame stiffeners, new seling rubber and a plethora of electrical replacement I would own a "new" 20 yr old car, but economics what they are is a factor in the enjoyability aspect of this car. Yes it is the better looking than a 2nd gen if you like smaller sporty cars, yes it handeled better too, but, I guess it is a fault if my 350 was easy to work on, didn't have a computer to keep it from starting up, was a solid car, and could eat up a Corvette on the open road,( which I did a few times). People are asking what you dion't like about the car here, I am just putting in my 2 cents worth here. If you love your car then hey, thats cooler than ice, I like the car, but, from owning two 2nd gen z 28's, I know that I would prefer to own one of them if I could find one tht isn't all ate up from abuse. These are ok cars if you want to invest a bunch of cash in them, sleek, low and good handling, but they are a victim of too much poor technology and enineering, that the most basic things in them are not working any more and need replacement. I have owned older cars than this that were beat to death and still would strat and run on a reliable daily basis. Like I said if ya llike this car then kudos to ya, but out of the Camaros I have owned,(4 now), this is not my favorite.
How original were the 2nd gen camaro's you owned? Anytime a car has high miles or is abused the reliability is going to suffer. In general, the 2nd gen camaro's were no where near the car the 3rd gens are. Same can be said 3rd gen compared to 4th gen. The cars got better with each new generation in reliability, power and quality.
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From: Montreal, Canada
Car: 1986 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
It's possible he just landed on a bad one.. I've seen some third gens in terrible shape, to the point i wouldn't even accept them for free because fixing them would be too much headache. The point is, I guess, to look for a good one, that's not been abused and has low miles as possible or has been rebuilt. My car has almost 200,000 miles on the body, although i've replaced almost everything, re-inforced and fixed almost everything. I've seen thirdgens with low miles that didn't require any money to fix and just were great cars too.
How original is your car? How many miles? You may be experiencing all kinds of problems because the car is high miles? Abused? Is the electrical all hacked up? Hard to say if what you are experiencing is a reflection of poor engineering and poor technology. My IROC is solid as a rock...no rattles or leakes, everything works and other than the occasional ignition module replacement is the epitome of reliability. My car is 100% original though and only has 115k miles.
How original were the 2nd gen camaro's you owned? Anytime a car has high miles or is abused the reliability is going to suffer. In general, the 2nd gen camaro's were no where near the car the 3rd gens are. Same can be said 3rd gen compared to 4th gen. The cars got better with each new generation in reliability, power and quality.
How original were the 2nd gen camaro's you owned? Anytime a car has high miles or is abused the reliability is going to suffer. In general, the 2nd gen camaro's were no where near the car the 3rd gens are. Same can be said 3rd gen compared to 4th gen. The cars got better with each new generation in reliability, power and quality.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I think the object of the posting was, what don't you like about third gens. AND like I said in my previous post, if you love/like yours, THEN FINE. Mine has 130 miles on it, doesn't smoke and tranny is working fine. The other things Ihave mentioned are things I DON'T Like. My previous 2nd gens were high miles the 77 was basicly a get around car. My 78 came from the factory basically stripped down, as in no frills not even a radio. It came with a BW T-10, and yes I modified the car a bit and had a strong car for very little money. But it didn't shake rattle and roll even after many more miles and more than just a little bit of "abuse". Like I said befor, If you like,love, adore your car then kudos, if not then I thought the topic of this was about your displeasure. I don't hate the car, I just think it is not the best car I have owned, Pure and simple.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Lack of HP (305 TBI) 170? That's it??? Really???
Front speaker removal/installation.
2 of the plugs are a major pain to change (there is no excuse for that). Stock alternator... 70 amps is way too low
Steering wheel looks like it's pregnant cuz of that stupid air bag compartment. It's HUGE.
Everything else is golden... My car 'is' 20 years old after all, things are going to break/breakdown. Fix it and Get over it.
Front speaker removal/installation.
2 of the plugs are a major pain to change (there is no excuse for that). Stock alternator... 70 amps is way too low
Steering wheel looks like it's pregnant cuz of that stupid air bag compartment. It's HUGE.
Everything else is golden... My car 'is' 20 years old after all, things are going to break/breakdown. Fix it and Get over it.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Lack of HP (305 TBI) 170? That's it??? Really???
Front speaker removal/installation.
2 of the plugs are a major pain to change (there is no excuse for that). Stock alternator... 70 amps is way too low
Steering wheel looks like it's pregnant cuz of that stupid air bag compartment. It's HUGE.
Everything else is golden... My car 'is' 20 years old after all, things are going to break/breakdown. Fix it and Get over it.
Front speaker removal/installation.
2 of the plugs are a major pain to change (there is no excuse for that). Stock alternator... 70 amps is way too low
Steering wheel looks like it's pregnant cuz of that stupid air bag compartment. It's HUGE.
Everything else is golden... My car 'is' 20 years old after all, things are going to break/breakdown. Fix it and Get over it.
It is what it is I prefer these cars for their ease of eork, although before my sfcs I HATED going over even a speed bump lol
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Skewdriver fixes the speaker "problem", theyre cake in my book but thats my profession lol I personally like them in the dash, the only problem ive ever had with these cars is the intense need for dynamat on the rear speakers ive had my share of woes and troubles with my car but evety time sonething breaks I go bigger and better but I enjoy it
It is what it is I prefer these cars for their ease of eork, although before my sfcs I HATED going over even a speed bump lol
It is what it is I prefer these cars for their ease of eork, although before my sfcs I HATED going over even a speed bump lol
Hmm, I thought you had to take the dash pad off to change the speakers. If not then that's great! Pass side is blown =<
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
kinda, dash pad comes off, 4 7mm screws on the defroster vents and 5 along the bottom, remove pad 4 7mm on each speaker I thought thats what you meant lol gm never made the fronts too hard to get at in most of their older cars and trucks
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I hate how the t-top plastic rattles. And I hate all the nooks and crannies that dirt finds. Anyone got a good way to clean those nooks?
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
i hate after i work on engine for a while mback and legs hurt hurt hurt
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
i hate how these damn flip up light give me fits sometimes... sometimes i wish it had the camaros fixed light..... its not fun when you have to open the hood and try to tap the module while its raining like crazy and talk about embarrasing when my girlfriend is in the car... i think to myself please flip up tonight lol...
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Agreed with all of the above but do have one question that does not seem to be discussed any where...
My 42k (yes, really) 1986 Camaro Berlinetta Auto 2.8L V6 binds like a **** (traction loss & grinding sound) when ever I have to lock out the steering wheel one direction or another and put any - ANY kind of power to it in a tight turn. WHY??!!
Some history:
This car was purchased and driven by some guy for like 10k miles, sold to a family member who loved it and drove it to vegas twice and all over the friggin' place until he sold it to a friend painter in need of wheels for cheap. Mr. Painter guy (young) drove it for a while, DUI'ed in it, had his license suspended for years, finally got it back and started driving it again. When Mr. Painter dude decided to drive it again, he NEVER checked any of the fluids or grease ports or oil and unsaid miles later fried the **** out of the original 2.8L rendering a blown head gasket. That was probably 10ish years ago. Mr. Painter sold the car back to Mr. Family Member and it sat in his wife's mother's farm house barn until June this year.
We recouped it, found a manual 2.8L V6 from an 87 Camaro in a GM wrecking yard an hour south from us. It now runs and has had new spark plugs, wires, distributor+coil, EGR solenoid, air filters (were ROCK hard), timing cover, water pump, tires (new-used), headlights, fuel pump, fuel filter, battery, tie down, MAF sensor and thermostat. We have had to patch the exhaust from the cat (looks shitty) to the muffler (looks newish) several times and adjust the timing in an attempt to get it right.
Main problems we've seen so far:
-steering bind ?
-poor gas mileage(ish - getting better after air filters were changed) ?
-conks out sometimes when it's a warm day or when you slow the car down "too fast" from higher RPMS to and idle (thinking mod valve) and always sounds like it's trying to die when you get on the brakes lightly at idle speed to the point where I have to let off the brakes for a smidge to let the RPMS catch up with me -ideas ?
-Super soft bouncy *** suspension
Input greatly appreciated
=)
My 42k (yes, really) 1986 Camaro Berlinetta Auto 2.8L V6 binds like a **** (traction loss & grinding sound) when ever I have to lock out the steering wheel one direction or another and put any - ANY kind of power to it in a tight turn. WHY??!!
Some history:
This car was purchased and driven by some guy for like 10k miles, sold to a family member who loved it and drove it to vegas twice and all over the friggin' place until he sold it to a friend painter in need of wheels for cheap. Mr. Painter guy (young) drove it for a while, DUI'ed in it, had his license suspended for years, finally got it back and started driving it again. When Mr. Painter dude decided to drive it again, he NEVER checked any of the fluids or grease ports or oil and unsaid miles later fried the **** out of the original 2.8L rendering a blown head gasket. That was probably 10ish years ago. Mr. Painter sold the car back to Mr. Family Member and it sat in his wife's mother's farm house barn until June this year.
We recouped it, found a manual 2.8L V6 from an 87 Camaro in a GM wrecking yard an hour south from us. It now runs and has had new spark plugs, wires, distributor+coil, EGR solenoid, air filters (were ROCK hard), timing cover, water pump, tires (new-used), headlights, fuel pump, fuel filter, battery, tie down, MAF sensor and thermostat. We have had to patch the exhaust from the cat (looks shitty) to the muffler (looks newish) several times and adjust the timing in an attempt to get it right.
Main problems we've seen so far:
-steering bind ?
-poor gas mileage(ish - getting better after air filters were changed) ?
-conks out sometimes when it's a warm day or when you slow the car down "too fast" from higher RPMS to and idle (thinking mod valve) and always sounds like it's trying to die when you get on the brakes lightly at idle speed to the point where I have to let off the brakes for a smidge to let the RPMS catch up with me -ideas ?
-Super soft bouncy *** suspension
Input greatly appreciated
=)
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Yes sir I did...Well more like 130 something, it was still pulling pretty good..It was right at 140 tho, had some left.Before the tranny was fixed it would not do over 110 to 115...We also did a bunch of other stuff to it, at the same time the tranny was put back in..I had just got new tires, and was on a long straight road...Funny thing was I thought I messed the engine up, because as soon as I let off the gas, the motor started running funny...One of the primary wires on the coil had worked its way loose...The plastic clip that held it on had broken off somehow...The car handled good at high speed with all the suspension mods done..
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I think an 89 RS with the 2.73 rear end could reach 130. Even with the lower end 305.
My 85 LB9 with 3.42 ratio can get there. Although i do have an airfoil that's good for about 75hp.
My 85 LB9 with 3.42 ratio can get there. Although i do have an airfoil that's good for about 75hp.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Mine came with plastic tops too. Luckily I found a glass set. Road noise is MUCH MUCH less. If you're talking about the places between the ttop seals. I just use my finger and a cloth with armor all.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
i hate how these damn flip up light give me fits sometimes... sometimes i wish it had the camaros fixed light..... its not fun when you have to open the hood and try to tap the module while its raining like crazy and talk about embarrasing when my girlfriend is in the car... i think to myself please flip up tonight lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM4S5UJ7HSE
) on how to re-solder the contact points. It's only been about 3 weeks but they've worked everytime since.
It beats trying to find a new control module in a junk yard and/or paying $300 for a new one.
FYI the following cars use the same part.
Buick: Reatta (1990-1992)Olds: Toronado/Trofeo (1990-1992)Pontiac: Firebird (1990-2002),
Sunbird (1990-1994)
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From: Scottsdale, AZ
Car: 1991 RS L99 1992 Z28 L98 Heritage
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
IMO i think it was the best ever designedAll I had to do was trace the bottom onto the console then using a strong box cutter, patiently cut out the hole. Some trimming is required unless you can cut a perfect circle! No gluing was required as it fits in snug. There are various sizes available, the one I have is 3" and accommodates cans but not ones with coolies.
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I hate the windnoise and water that comes through the triangular molding near the mirrors, I can drive a tractor trailer through the gap there and the wind noise on the highway drives me nuts, can barely talk on phone and if I go through a automatic carwash, i will be gettin wet for sure!!!! Any fixes anyone, I know you can replace that triangle molding, but mine looks fine, no dry rot or anything, so why does it leak so bad?
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
The cupholder is pretty easy, in fact, I saw another car on the forum that had it and had to ask what he did. All it is is a basic marine or RV cupholder which you can find readily: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-bla...#ht_567wt_1165
All I had to do was trace the bottom onto the console then using a strong box cutter, patiently cut out the hole. Some trimming is required unless you can cut a perfect circle! No gluing was required as it fits in snug. There are various sizes available, the one I have is 3" and accommodates cans but not ones with coolies.
All I had to do was trace the bottom onto the console then using a strong box cutter, patiently cut out the hole. Some trimming is required unless you can cut a perfect circle! No gluing was required as it fits in snug. There are various sizes available, the one I have is 3" and accommodates cans but not ones with coolies.
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Car: 1988 IROC Z
Engine: 5.7 litre
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Axle/Gears: 3.27 Posi with 4 wheel disc brakes
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
The cupholder is pretty easy, in fact, I saw another car on the forum that had it and had to ask what he did. All it is is a basic marine or RV cupholder which you can find readily: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-bla...#ht_567wt_1165
All I had to do was trace the bottom onto the console then using a strong box cutter, patiently cut out the hole. Some trimming is required unless you can cut a perfect circle! No gluing was required as it fits in snug. There are various sizes available, the one I have is 3" and accommodates cans but not ones with coolies.
All I had to do was trace the bottom onto the console then using a strong box cutter, patiently cut out the hole. Some trimming is required unless you can cut a perfect circle! No gluing was required as it fits in snug. There are various sizes available, the one I have is 3" and accommodates cans but not ones with coolies.
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From: Scottsdale, AZ
Car: 1991 RS L99 1992 Z28 L98 Heritage
Engine: L99 L98
Transmission: 6L80E / 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 LSD disc (both)
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I did use a holesaw, those directions are from the guy who sent them to me, just in case you dont have a holesaw. Have a vaccuum on standby because the holesaw makes a friggin mess, tons of little black plastic shards everywhere!!! LOL..... I will surprise you how many shards it produces. Use a variable speed drill if possible so it does not shoot them all over and also melt the plastic too.. It is the single best mod I have ever done. Once you have it, you'll wonder how you ever went without it.
Your floormats and carpet and seats will thank you for it too.. no more spilled beverages!!!!
Your floormats and carpet and seats will thank you for it too.. no more spilled beverages!!!!
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Car: 1991 RS L99 1992 Z28 L98 Heritage
Engine: L99 L98
Transmission: 6L80E / 700R4
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I thought I wrote about the holesaw in my 1st post about it buy must have erased it somehow because the holesaw is the way to go, That is how I did it. FYI, a 3" cup holder and the 3" holesaw make the fit slightly loose, so I wrapped some masking tape around the cupholder to make it snugly fit and also able to remove it for cleaning, if your cupholder has drain holes at bottom, stuff of cut some heavy duty paper shop towls the size to fit in the cup holder so condensation from your drink does not drip on the wires below the cupholder and possibly short somthing out which you will see once you cut the hole!!!
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
crappy van nuys paint
slow windows
tough to swap plugs
scrapes on everything
squeaks and rattles
feels heavier than it really is
waaahuu my first post is complaints.... i love the interweb
slow windows
tough to swap plugs
scrapes on everything
squeaks and rattles
feels heavier than it really is
waaahuu my first post is complaints.... i love the interweb
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Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
ik, (assuming you have a v8 car) why does it feel so much heavier than the v6 cars, is it because it is? 
i mean i felt confident throwng my little 6 firebird around any corner, now i feel i have to slow down, with the brakes which also feel heavier
i mean i felt confident throwng my little 6 firebird around any corner, now i feel i have to slow down, with the brakes which also feel heavier 
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I love my Z and deal with the little issues but my biggest complaint and the only thing i absolutely hate is my third brake light im 5'5 and i still have that damn thing in my way when looking out the rear view mirror im always trying to find ways to see around it eventually i will get a new rear window without the square for it and ditch the third brake light all together why couldnt gm flush mount them in the rear spoiler it is a 91 so it does have the high rise spoiler eh oh well
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Car: 1992 Formula Firebird
Engine: 305CID (LB9)
Transmission: World Class T5
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt, 4.10 gears
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I love my Z and deal with the little issues but my biggest complaint and the only thing i absolutely hate is my third brake light im 5'5 and i still have that damn thing in my way when looking out the rear view mirror im always trying to find ways to see around it eventually i will get a new rear window without the square for it and ditch the third brake light all together why couldnt gm flush mount them in the rear spoiler it is a 91 so it does have the high rise spoiler eh oh well
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From: Kansas City
Car: '91 Formula
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: Newly rebuilt 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I love my Z and deal with the little issues but my biggest complaint and the only thing i absolutely hate is my third brake light im 5'5 and i still have that damn thing in my way when looking out the rear view mirror im always trying to find ways to see around it eventually i will get a new rear window without the square for it and ditch the third brake light all together why couldnt gm flush mount them in the rear spoiler it is a 91 so it does have the high rise spoiler eh oh well
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From: Tampa Bay
Car: '89 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
It's my first car and I love my GTA, but:
The fact that it likes to stall when idling too long in this Florida heat
The door rattling with the window down
The formerly perfect dash pad cracking the week after I got it
The top of the steering wheel being cracked to heck
All the rattles and door dings
The t-top bag that doesn't want to zip all the way
How weak 700r4 is and that I don't have a manual
The fact that it likes to stall when idling too long in this Florida heat
The door rattling with the window down
The formerly perfect dash pad cracking the week after I got it
The top of the steering wheel being cracked to heck
All the rattles and door dings
The t-top bag that doesn't want to zip all the way
How weak 700r4 is and that I don't have a manual
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From: Chickamauga, GA
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: 355ci SBC
Transmission: TH700R4 - 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I really can't complain about any of the third gens I've owned.. These cars have always been my favorite and I love my IROC. But with that being said, I'll bitch about a couple of things...
1.) no cup holders... that is annoying. Although I bought a console lid that has one in it from Ecklers camaro.
2.) All of the emmissions crap under the hood, looks tacky but that is soon to be taken care of.
3.) That retarded hump on the passenger side floorboard for the Cat. Converter.. I mean really?
4.) I personally think all IROC's and GTA trans ams should have came with the 1LE front brakes. And all V8 cars should have had 4 wheel disc brakes... just my opinion though.
Other than that I love my car.. it handles better than a 4th gen, ( and yes I've owned numerous LS1 cars to include an 01 SS ). It looks amazing, even the factory wheels look great on it. the interior is well laid out, has more room than a 4th gen. Engine is NOT under the cowl like a 4th gen, another thing I like. Has all the comforts of the newer cars, power seats, cruise, power windows, locks, etc... The only thing I think they lack is the braking power and Horsepower of the newer camaro's... but thats because its an older car. Drop in an LS1, T-56 and a brake package and you have a damn nice performer.
And whoever came up with saying third gen owners were dumb rednecks is an idiot. Just because its an older car does not mean its not a cool car... hell, evidently the 60's and 70's models can be considered ******* too then. People kill me... If I wanted a brand new camaro then I'd go buy one! And I don't live in a trailer... lol
1.) no cup holders... that is annoying. Although I bought a console lid that has one in it from Ecklers camaro.
2.) All of the emmissions crap under the hood, looks tacky but that is soon to be taken care of.
3.) That retarded hump on the passenger side floorboard for the Cat. Converter.. I mean really?
4.) I personally think all IROC's and GTA trans ams should have came with the 1LE front brakes. And all V8 cars should have had 4 wheel disc brakes... just my opinion though.
Other than that I love my car.. it handles better than a 4th gen, ( and yes I've owned numerous LS1 cars to include an 01 SS ). It looks amazing, even the factory wheels look great on it. the interior is well laid out, has more room than a 4th gen. Engine is NOT under the cowl like a 4th gen, another thing I like. Has all the comforts of the newer cars, power seats, cruise, power windows, locks, etc... The only thing I think they lack is the braking power and Horsepower of the newer camaro's... but thats because its an older car. Drop in an LS1, T-56 and a brake package and you have a damn nice performer.
And whoever came up with saying third gen owners were dumb rednecks is an idiot. Just because its an older car does not mean its not a cool car... hell, evidently the 60's and 70's models can be considered ******* too then. People kill me... If I wanted a brand new camaro then I'd go buy one! And I don't live in a trailer... lol
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From: quincy, IL
Car: 84 camaro
Engine: 2.8
Transmission: 5 speed manual
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
:-) I'm glad I found this thread. I've been looking for a way to b1tch about my car without having my friends or family respond with, "Why don't you just sell it?"
1. The trunk motor. I few this in the same way that I think about the pop-up head-light motors for the TransAm/Firebird line. Cheap pieces of junk.
2. The structural integrity of the car. I can tell mine has been driven for 200k miles because of the cracks right above the windows (in the corner). Nothing some sfc's wouldn't fix but still.
3. The overall stigma of it being a "mull3t-mobile" or white trash car. I hate that because even if you dropped $40k into your car people are still going to look at it and you as though it's a piece of ****. (Until you stomp them on the road. lol)
4. Yes, the doors are way too heavy and I don't like the rattling that other people have talked about when the windows are down. I always worry that my windows are going to break inside my doors. lol I know they won't but still....
5. Rattles in general. I too have the rattle/squeak that seems to jump around the car.
6. The suspension could have been designed a lot better imo. It is just a rough ride.
7. Poor interior lighting.
8. My car was built in Van Nuys. So, I have the issue with the paint fading on the top of my car. The sides are beautiful. It's just the top that looks bad.
9. The coolant system. Why they set these cars up to not turn on the fans until 200+ degrees I'll never know. But I can't keep my engine cool enough without running the heater. And let me tell ya, the stop-n-go traffic in the texas summers, is not fun.
10. Lack of a cup holder.
11. The hatch glass is a pain when it gets even the slightest amount of grime on it. When my camaro was my daily driver, I was constantly stopping at gas stations just to clean off the hatch glass. I've never had a car that was so hard to see out of the rear window as my 3rd gen is.
12. The overall lack of power. I have a 2000 honda accord 4-cyl, 5-speed that keeps up with my camaro. Granted, I know there's a weight difference but I just wish the 3rd gen f-body's had more nutz than they did coming off the line.
13. Too much play in the steering. Since the ride is bumpy and the steering in my car has a lot of play in it, I worry all the time about not being able to control the car. I don't know if they're all like that but I have had two 3rd gens and both of them had a lot of play in the steering.
I guess the easiest way to go about this would have been to describe what I do like about the car and start there. lol
Basically, the things that I do like about my car are the overall look of the car. The stance. For the lack of a better way of saying this, it commands respect. People will get out of the way just because of the look of the car. Since my daily driver is just as fast as my camaro, I kinda notice how people will get out of the way for me when I'm in the camaro where that's not the case in my honda. lol And you know the other guy is thinking, "Oh it's just a honda."
I like the way the drivers seat/position kinda envelopes the driver. Kinda like what you would think a ****-pit would feel like.
I like the way music sounds from the well boxes.
In spite of all of the things that I don't like about my car, I do still love it though. I will fix as many of the problems as I can when/if I actually get to start my restoration though.
Anyway, that's all I've got for now.
1. The trunk motor. I few this in the same way that I think about the pop-up head-light motors for the TransAm/Firebird line. Cheap pieces of junk.
2. The structural integrity of the car. I can tell mine has been driven for 200k miles because of the cracks right above the windows (in the corner). Nothing some sfc's wouldn't fix but still.
3. The overall stigma of it being a "mull3t-mobile" or white trash car. I hate that because even if you dropped $40k into your car people are still going to look at it and you as though it's a piece of ****. (Until you stomp them on the road. lol)
4. Yes, the doors are way too heavy and I don't like the rattling that other people have talked about when the windows are down. I always worry that my windows are going to break inside my doors. lol I know they won't but still....
5. Rattles in general. I too have the rattle/squeak that seems to jump around the car.
6. The suspension could have been designed a lot better imo. It is just a rough ride.
7. Poor interior lighting.
8. My car was built in Van Nuys. So, I have the issue with the paint fading on the top of my car. The sides are beautiful. It's just the top that looks bad.
9. The coolant system. Why they set these cars up to not turn on the fans until 200+ degrees I'll never know. But I can't keep my engine cool enough without running the heater. And let me tell ya, the stop-n-go traffic in the texas summers, is not fun.
10. Lack of a cup holder.
11. The hatch glass is a pain when it gets even the slightest amount of grime on it. When my camaro was my daily driver, I was constantly stopping at gas stations just to clean off the hatch glass. I've never had a car that was so hard to see out of the rear window as my 3rd gen is.
12. The overall lack of power. I have a 2000 honda accord 4-cyl, 5-speed that keeps up with my camaro. Granted, I know there's a weight difference but I just wish the 3rd gen f-body's had more nutz than they did coming off the line.
13. Too much play in the steering. Since the ride is bumpy and the steering in my car has a lot of play in it, I worry all the time about not being able to control the car. I don't know if they're all like that but I have had two 3rd gens and both of them had a lot of play in the steering.
I guess the easiest way to go about this would have been to describe what I do like about the car and start there. lol
Basically, the things that I do like about my car are the overall look of the car. The stance. For the lack of a better way of saying this, it commands respect. People will get out of the way just because of the look of the car. Since my daily driver is just as fast as my camaro, I kinda notice how people will get out of the way for me when I'm in the camaro where that's not the case in my honda. lol And you know the other guy is thinking, "Oh it's just a honda."
I like the way the drivers seat/position kinda envelopes the driver. Kinda like what you would think a ****-pit would feel like.
I like the way music sounds from the well boxes.
In spite of all of the things that I don't like about my car, I do still love it though. I will fix as many of the problems as I can when/if I actually get to start my restoration though.
Anyway, that's all I've got for now.
jk jk
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From: albany, georgia
Car: 1985 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: 305 w/ 4 barrel carb
Transmission: brand new 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Starting off..
Door rattle annoys me mainly because I am very **** about rattling.
NO HEATER OR A/C! Previous owner stripped EVERYTHING out
No radio haha
The fact that some owner was going to put a manual in the car and put everything in it except for the tranny..so mi have the clutch pedal and all the manual **** under the hood
Plugs are a joy to change except for 2 that the headers block.
Window wiper motor is shot.
Only one pw door lock works.
Turn signals dont work.
Discolored center console.
Car has a lot of flex which I guess I need subframe connectors for.
I would love to have more power under the hood but I suppose for my 305 it has more than the average amount due to rollers, bigger cam, heads, etc.
My f@cking ground effects and side effects that are I'll fitting and sloppy
My IROC emblems that are spiderwebbing
And a few other things.
Overall it haas it's problems but I do love the car as compared to my friends fox body haha.
Oh..and forgot to mention the number one thing I hate bout my IROC, my fiancé bitches bout driving it lol
Door rattle annoys me mainly because I am very **** about rattling.
NO HEATER OR A/C! Previous owner stripped EVERYTHING out
No radio haha
The fact that some owner was going to put a manual in the car and put everything in it except for the tranny..so mi have the clutch pedal and all the manual **** under the hood
Plugs are a joy to change except for 2 that the headers block.
Window wiper motor is shot.
Only one pw door lock works.
Turn signals dont work.
Discolored center console.
Car has a lot of flex which I guess I need subframe connectors for.
I would love to have more power under the hood but I suppose for my 305 it has more than the average amount due to rollers, bigger cam, heads, etc.
My f@cking ground effects and side effects that are I'll fitting and sloppy
My IROC emblems that are spiderwebbing
And a few other things.
Overall it haas it's problems but I do love the car as compared to my friends fox body haha.
Oh..and forgot to mention the number one thing I hate bout my IROC, my fiancé bitches bout driving it lol
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From: Robinson Tx.
Car: 1990 IrocZ Convertible
Engine: TPI 305 (factory & anemic)
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Crappy factory 2.73
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I hate that the factory opted not to install a built in hand grenade for use when it pisses me off. 
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From: Kansas City
Car: '91 Formula
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: Newly rebuilt 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
that every part i'm having to replace is $80.00! it could be worse, but still!
Don't or you'll 
If i had a nickel for everytime i spent $80 on a part... i'd have... well anyway...
Don't
or you'll If i had a nickel for everytime i spent $80 on a part... i'd have... well anyway...
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From: Arizona
Car: 1989 Camaro RS--
Engine: MPFI
Transmission: 700r4
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
quote=1983cameroman;5036866]i hate after i work on engine for a while mback and legs hurt hurt hurt[/quote]
That is a good thing to hate! I love my car! Doors don't rattle, Going to sound proof inside, less out side noise. My only complain is in the summer i have a problem with my fuel getting hot. I have not got to the bottom of it yet. It is driving like a champ in this cool weather! That I love
Having 54,000 miles on it, its pretty clean. I locked my keys in the car the other day and had to have the insurance send out someone to open. The guy said wow this car is in excellent condition! You really got lucky!
It really is a sweet car. I have stuff i want to do to
make it even cleaner, one being a paint job! Sticking with original color the car was painted.
That is a good thing to hate! I love my car! Doors don't rattle, Going to sound proof inside, less out side noise. My only complain is in the summer i have a problem with my fuel getting hot. I have not got to the bottom of it yet. It is driving like a champ in this cool weather! That I love
Having 54,000 miles on it, its pretty clean. I locked my keys in the car the other day and had to have the insurance send out someone to open. The guy said wow this car is in excellent condition! You really got lucky!
It really is a sweet car. I have stuff i want to do to
make it even cleaner, one being a paint job! Sticking with original color the car was painted.
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From: The Okanagan, British Columbia
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I hate the arm rests on the 1988 since the eproxy is ****, the paint on them since the clear coat peels so easily, lack of cup holders, i don't like my red interior all that much so it will soon be black, I don't like how my Climate Control **** is so &*(*(*!(^& hard to move!
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I don't like it because it's in pieces by my own choice. I'm dying to do a turbo SBC build or an LS1 swap, throw in a full Spohn tubular front suspension, and what other weight reduction could be done. Not much left to take off the car.
Could try to get away with lexan on the sides and back on the street, and fiberglass doors.
Could try to get away with lexan on the sides and back on the street, and fiberglass doors.
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From: Madison, SD
Car: 91 RS Convertible
Engine: LSA
Transmission: 6060
Axle/Gears: 373
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Can't think of a thing. I love my car. And for everyone complaining about squeaks for about 200 bucks from spohn or several other companies you can install subframe connectors. 90% of your squeaks will disappear, at least they did on my 91 convertible.
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Also going to do subframe connectors eventually, and going from a steel to aluminum flywheel, so it should get a ton quieter/smoother yet. Kinda want solid motor mounts over poly though, for the better response due to no engine movement. Might introduce a little more vibration, but I usually hear it's similar to poly, barely anymore noise/vibration.
I really love the little mods that offer better driveability.
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From: Madison, SD
Car: 91 RS Convertible
Engine: LSA
Transmission: 6060
Axle/Gears: 373
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
I enjoy driving it when it runs, all the electrical problems have me wanting to use it for target practice for my AK. It rattles, leaks, and is general a PITA. My 2nd gen Z 28's were far superior in reliability, AND performance. Sorry I ever traded this car for my Harley and some guns. It has been nothing short of a head ache since I got it.
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From: The Okanagan, British Columbia
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: What do you not like about your thirdgen?
Yes sir I did...Well more like 130 something, it was still pulling pretty good..It was right at 140 tho, had some left.Before the tranny was fixed it would not do over 110 to 115...We also did a bunch of other stuff to it, at the same time the tranny was put back in..I had just got new tires, and was on a long straight road...Funny thing was I thought I messed the engine up, because as soon as I let off the gas, the motor started running funny...One of the primary wires on the coil had worked its way loose...The plastic clip that held it on had broken off somehow...The car handled good at high speed with all the suspension mods done..