What do you not like about your thirdgen?
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I agree with you 110% there! There HAS to be something to go there...I mean, it's just...nothingness! Seriously, how hard could it have been to just put a damn glovebox there. Or at least do what Trans Ams did...a little Velcro pouch stuck there. At least it's SOMETHING!
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Car: 91 RS
Engine: 305
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Leaky T tops! caused by engineering design flaw.
Rear hatch lid sticks out a half an inch! how could they not get this on right at the dam factory!
Pealing paint from plastic bumber cover.
Understeer on Stock configuration.
Huge Heavy doors wear out door bushings and start sagging.
Rear hatch lid sticks out a half an inch! how could they not get this on right at the dam factory!
Pealing paint from plastic bumber cover.
Understeer on Stock configuration.
Huge Heavy doors wear out door bushings and start sagging.
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From: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
Well my car-
No cupholders
Two little dents (hit and run on the front left side, and a truck dented the side/top of my right side)
lack of space( glove box, and rear)
305's lack of hp
my 14' stock rims(grrr)
thats about it...
No cupholders
Two little dents (hit and run on the front left side, and a truck dented the side/top of my right side)
lack of space( glove box, and rear)
305's lack of hp
my 14' stock rims(grrr)
thats about it...
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Originally posted by 84CamaroCoupe
Two little dents (hit and run on the front left side, and a truck dented the side/top of my right side)
Two little dents (hit and run on the front left side, and a truck dented the side/top of my right side)
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Car: 1988 Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
How does this thread keep coming back. I'm tired of seeing it now. I know this is for sure, by the time I finish building my car, there won't be a single thing I would complain about my thirdgen because I would have changed, gotten rid of, or altered everything I did not particularly like about thirdgens.
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Yeah, I am really getting sick of this board too. We all know the drawbacks of our cars: no cupholders, heavy doors, crappy console, the poor 305. Everybody lists the same things as everyone else. Get over it guys! -89IRO
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From: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
The poor 305?? How do you think the 2.8 and 3.1 people feel! Hell, you don't even wanna KNOW about the Iron Duke and the carbed 2.8's!
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From: Illinois
Car: 1988 Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Originally posted by 89IRO
Nixon- O.K., you're right, I know nothing about the 305s since I have a 350. I was just repeating what everyone else was saying. A lot of people were saying the lack of power the 305s have. -89IRO
Nixon- O.K., you're right, I know nothing about the 305s since I have a 350. I was just repeating what everyone else was saying. A lot of people were saying the lack of power the 305s have. -89IRO
The 305 TBI guys really have something to complain about.
If you look at stock bhp per liter
The 2.8 develops 48.71 bhp per liter
The 5.0 TBI develops 34 bhp per liter
An engine that size should be producing more power.
other than that, i love my car to pieces. Supreme Member
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From: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
89IRO: I wasn't saying that the 305's are almighty..I was just saying that they've got more power than us sixers! But..the 305 TBI...I had considered one at one point in time. I would be kicking myself now if I had actually bought it. 305 cubic inches. 180 hp. Now, that seems feasible for back in the carbureted days..but try 90-92! Yep! Sad huh? Hell, an 84 L69 (305 H.O.) made what, 190 hp stock? TBI is a sad, sad thing....
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how about.. why a 305 at all?... after 87, all of them should of either came with the 2.8 or a variation of the 350. could of had a carbed 350, TBI 350, and TPI 350... why have the 305 for soooo long.. and then not make after market parts for it.
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Car: 84z, 65 elcamino
Engine: l69 and a hyped up sbc in the camino
Transmission: t5 m21
Axle/Gears: 373s 411s
why a 305 at all should have given us the 302 or 350 or 383 or 400 thats the engines they should have given us and they should have given us a 6 spd plus a hatch lite that works a alarm that works less wires for us guys who own the l69 and a better posi and most of all a better freaken interior and they shouldnt have made it a unibody it sucks
but i still love my car
but i still love my car
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Car: 1989 RS Camaro
Engine: LT1
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some of the things i don't like are the rear hatch electric motor, i don't know if any1 else has had problems but its a SOB to replace it, also i've had a good amount of problems with my MAF, the MAP system is vastly better, also the ****ty jack included w/ the spare tire, the lack of trunk or hatch space, also the doors are pretty damn heavy, but not that bad once u get used to them, also i hate the massive window rattle when u shut the door if the window is down, i also think they should've made the RS with a TPI 305 and a 5 speed, also i hate all the smog **** in the way of the engine area, it can make changing spark plugs a real sob, thats all i can think of for now
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also the 305 TBI engines really suck ***, i mean come on a V-8 that only makes 170 Hp, thats weak, plus the throttle body injection is just crap, basically just an electronic carburator, the 2.8 V-6 at least got MPFI which is basically TPI, which is ten times better than TBI, i mean they made a TPI 305 that was 100 times better than that TBI ****, it made 230 hp compared to the TBI's 170 hp, i'm just saying that the TBI 305's are crap, its barely better than a V-6 horsepower wise
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Originally posted by erikred
From most to least despised:
16. No standard tranny, T-tops, or convertible with the 350 from the factory.
From most to least despised:
16. No standard tranny, T-tops, or convertible with the 350 from the factory.
T tops could be had from the factory with a 350
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Engine: 305
Transmission: 5 speed
Originally posted by 89transam
Not to knit pick, and i diddent read to see if someone addressed this but ....
T tops could be had from the factory with a 350
Not to knit pick, and i diddent read to see if someone addressed this but ....
T tops could be had from the factory with a 350
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Car: 1988 Trans Am
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One of the biggest reasons why the 305 was used was for emmissions, plus back in 82, the Vettes 350 wasn't all that great power wise and if the TA got the 350, then that would have taken sales away from the Vette.
I think thirdgens should have came with 3.8l V6 instead of the 2.8l. I think GM was just to lazy to try and modify the 3.8l just a tad so that it would work.
I think thirdgens should have came with 3.8l V6 instead of the 2.8l. I think GM was just to lazy to try and modify the 3.8l just a tad so that it would work.
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as much as eveyone hates this thread, it is a big help. everytime i see something new on here, i realize that my car has that problem too, and i try to find a way to fix it. for example, until this thread, i never realized how much my doors actually sag. but after reading this i went out and fixed it. thats just one of many kinks that ive worked out of my ride because of this. i say, keep this topic coming. if nothing else, it allows us a place to vent our anger 
btw- i hate the way all the plastic in my car has just about as much stregnth as a stale potato chip. today i took out my window switch and it practically crumbled in my hand. and the dashpad, why is it so damn brittle???? i breathe too hard and it cracks!!! come on GM, you could have at least made our interiors last more than 4yrs....:nono:
btw- i hate the way all the plastic in my car has just about as much stregnth as a stale potato chip. today i took out my window switch and it practically crumbled in my hand. and the dashpad, why is it so damn brittle???? i breathe too hard and it cracks!!! come on GM, you could have at least made our interiors last more than 4yrs....:nono:
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Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
They're all uni-bodies.. But to continue..TBI is a crappy, crappy system of injection that never should rear its ugly face again. 
My friend has a 2.5 TBI Iron Duke in an S-10...it's HILARIOUS though. That truck has a 4 speed and he can chirp it into every gear but 4th...WITH me in the thing nonetheless... I helped him work on it one day, and the original plugwires were so twisted up and tangled that we yanked them off...and then remembered that he didn't have a diagram. So we spent an hour on the internet to no avail..finally found a book at the library that had a cap to engine diagram for like every car ever made. Ever start a 2.5 TBI that's missing like most of its sensors or they're badly shorted out, with the wires incorrectly connected?? The damn thing sparked/backfired out of the intake and sent little poofs of smoke everywhere...the first one was real bad...I was afraid we completely blew his fuel injector.
My friend has a 2.5 TBI Iron Duke in an S-10...it's HILARIOUS though. That truck has a 4 speed and he can chirp it into every gear but 4th...WITH me in the thing nonetheless... I helped him work on it one day, and the original plugwires were so twisted up and tangled that we yanked them off...and then remembered that he didn't have a diagram. So we spent an hour on the internet to no avail..finally found a book at the library that had a cap to engine diagram for like every car ever made. Ever start a 2.5 TBI that's missing like most of its sensors or they're badly shorted out, with the wires incorrectly connected?? The damn thing sparked/backfired out of the intake and sent little poofs of smoke everywhere...the first one was real bad...I was afraid we completely blew his fuel injector. Supreme Member
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Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
Uni-bodies...ok imagine this. You lay a wooden plank out, and it's resting on two concrete blocks a good distance apart. What happens when you put weight on the plank? It SAGS. Uni-bodies SAG. Ever wonder why after a few years the doors seem to sag and not line up right? Ever wonder why you see so many scuffed sill plates? It's the frame of the car actually SAGGING under its own weight! Sub-frame connectors immediately fix this problem by dispersing the car's weight evenly across its frame instead of right at its middle. This dramatically improves handling as well.
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Car: 1988 Trans Am
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Originally posted by Nixon1
Uni-bodies...ok imagine this. You lay a wooden plank out, and it's resting on two concrete blocks a good distance apart. What happens when you put weight on the plank? It SAGS. Uni-bodies SAG. Ever wonder why after a few years the doors seem to sag and not line up right? Ever wonder why you see so many scuffed sill plates? It's the frame of the car actually SAGGING under its own weight! Sub-frame connectors immediately fix this problem by dispersing the car's weight evenly across its frame instead of right at its middle. This dramatically improves handling as well.
Uni-bodies...ok imagine this. You lay a wooden plank out, and it's resting on two concrete blocks a good distance apart. What happens when you put weight on the plank? It SAGS. Uni-bodies SAG. Ever wonder why after a few years the doors seem to sag and not line up right? Ever wonder why you see so many scuffed sill plates? It's the frame of the car actually SAGGING under its own weight! Sub-frame connectors immediately fix this problem by dispersing the car's weight evenly across its frame instead of right at its middle. This dramatically improves handling as well.
Thanks for the tip. My doors don't seem to be sagging though, but I guess I will have to get subframe connectors to prevent that door from sagging.
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10. The fact that my original v6 cracked a t-top.
9. The fact that some S-10's had bigger V6's.
8. Garbage headlight motors
7. Tilt Steering that tilts on its own.
6. The getto looking stereo.
5. No way to drop the gas tank with cutting the exhaust
4. The Single Exhaust
3. Pillar Rust.
2. Torque Arm. The General was on crack for that one!
1. VATS
9. The fact that some S-10's had bigger V6's.
8. Garbage headlight motors
7. Tilt Steering that tilts on its own.
6. The getto looking stereo.
5. No way to drop the gas tank with cutting the exhaust
4. The Single Exhaust
3. Pillar Rust.
2. Torque Arm. The General was on crack for that one!
1. VATS
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Nixon- Thanks for the lecture but I already know what a uni-body car is. I just read someone's post wrong and that was why I asked about it. As for the doors, how would I go about fixing sagging doors? I heard about replacing the bushings or something- are these bushings in the hinges of the doors or what? Is this something a body shop could do, because I'm getting the car painted pretty soon???
And what brands for sub-frame connectors are good? I heard about the jegster ones that are bolt in- which you can put together yourself and then have a muffler shop weld them to make them stronger. Do ALL the sub-frame connectors (both weld in and bolt in and all the different brands) get put in the same way? -89IRO
And what brands for sub-frame connectors are good? I heard about the jegster ones that are bolt in- which you can put together yourself and then have a muffler shop weld them to make them stronger. Do ALL the sub-frame connectors (both weld in and bolt in and all the different brands) get put in the same way? -89IRO
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While I've only had my 91 RS for a few months, I have to say that I've been pleasantly surprised. Let me put some of the above complaints in perspective compared to some of my other vehicles:
Squeeks and rattles: My 75,000 mile car has VERY few. I have to hit pot holes and listen VERY closely just to find some. The 91 RS is like a Lexus compared to my rattle-trap 30,000 mile '96 WS-6 and is as tight as my '87 Turbo Regal.
Brakes: Ok, they're not the best. But they're no worse than those in my '87 Turbo Buick, and that has WAY more power and is just as heavy.
Cat Converter hump: Very annoying, but the 4th gen cars also have this prob.
Lack of Power: True, these cars were WEAK. My license plate reads "Jus a 305" so people don't waste their time looking for a race. The RS's can be embarassed by most minivans these days. On the other hand, they're a great daily driver and gets me 27mpg on the highway(better than most minivans).
Lack of glovebox, trunk space, and cup holders: Oh please! It's an F-body! Get an SUV if you need storage space and cup holders!
Just my opinions. Overall, I think GM built a fine automobile... and my 3rd gen feels much more solid than my 4th gen. Too bad I couldn't afford one of those '89 T/A's with the 3.8 Turbo and some REAL power!
Chris
91 Camaro RS - 14x3, 3" Cat Back, 3.42 posi (no 1/4 times till spring)
96 T/A WS-6 - Bone Stock (13.98 @ 98mph)
87 Turbo T - Lots of Bolt-ons, never been inside the engine (11.98 @ 118mph)
Squeeks and rattles: My 75,000 mile car has VERY few. I have to hit pot holes and listen VERY closely just to find some. The 91 RS is like a Lexus compared to my rattle-trap 30,000 mile '96 WS-6 and is as tight as my '87 Turbo Regal.
Brakes: Ok, they're not the best. But they're no worse than those in my '87 Turbo Buick, and that has WAY more power and is just as heavy.
Cat Converter hump: Very annoying, but the 4th gen cars also have this prob.
Lack of Power: True, these cars were WEAK. My license plate reads "Jus a 305" so people don't waste their time looking for a race. The RS's can be embarassed by most minivans these days. On the other hand, they're a great daily driver and gets me 27mpg on the highway(better than most minivans).
Lack of glovebox, trunk space, and cup holders: Oh please! It's an F-body! Get an SUV if you need storage space and cup holders!
Just my opinions. Overall, I think GM built a fine automobile... and my 3rd gen feels much more solid than my 4th gen. Too bad I couldn't afford one of those '89 T/A's with the 3.8 Turbo and some REAL power!
Chris
91 Camaro RS - 14x3, 3" Cat Back, 3.42 posi (no 1/4 times till spring)
96 T/A WS-6 - Bone Stock (13.98 @ 98mph)
87 Turbo T - Lots of Bolt-ons, never been inside the engine (11.98 @ 118mph)
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89.... There's something you can adjust on the doors to raise them up a little bit..a bolt or something, I'm not sure...my grandpa fixed it for me when I was occupied in my room... But I don't think that will truly fix the problem, just make it better.
As far as the SFC's go, I haven't had them on so I can't recommend a particular brand, but I asked about it before and people seemed particular fond of the Spohn's.
As far as the SFC's go, I haven't had them on so I can't recommend a particular brand, but I asked about it before and people seemed particular fond of the Spohn's.
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there was a post a while back about some website that sells bushings for the door. its pretty much a flanged bushing that you would replace... i think. with a fitting for a grease gun to grease it. i sell them at work for like 45 cents or something.
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Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
Ha ha...the wiring on these isn't too bad! You should see my Mustang. Ford man..the way they design their computer systems is a royal pain. Chevy, from what I've heard, all the sensors tie directly into the computer... But Ford..the sensors tie into eachother as well...so sensors affect eachother...so one sensor goes out and the others act screwy. It SUCKS...big time. And the vacuum setup on that 5.0 is confusing...I have yet to trace all my vacuum lines. Only thing I like about it is the power, and the up-front distributor. Can't beat a 30 second timing adjustment.
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I didn't see anybody mention the damnrubber spoiler. I don't know what other third gens have, but that rubber spoiler on my 88 GTA sucks. Paint's coming off etc. And, pretty much everything everybody else said! Matt
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I didn't see anybody mention the damnrubber spoiler. I don't know what other third gens have, but that rubber spoiler on my 88 GTA sucks. Paint's coming off etc. And, pretty much everything everybody else said! Matt
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Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
The paint on the back bumper of my 91 RS was all flaking off...
Another hated thing...the front gfx lip on Camaros with the gfx....have you EVER seen one that WASN'T scraped to hell?!
Another hated thing...the front gfx lip on Camaros with the gfx....have you EVER seen one that WASN'T scraped to hell?!
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my turn for a little venting
1. t-tops leak like hell
2. crappy stock paint
3. squeeks and creeks
4. cracking dash
5. butterfly'ing armrests
6. butterfly'ing center console lid
7. seat belt guide things on the seat suck *****
8. no room in the back for anything but a soda and a few index cards (and my 12's
)
9. the damn fart pipe civic that keeps driving around my block
10. gas milage
11. rear drum brakes
12. no gauges read properly
13. cramped engine compartment
14. slow power window motor
15. worst heads gm has ever made
16. cant go a day without seeing a beat up 3rd gen with chrome fender flares and 13" gold wire wheels bumping mexican music with 1 bass line being driven by a dirty field worker (no offense to anybody who is)
17. really harsh ride
18. HUGE a-pillars create massive blind spots
19. NO CUP HOLDERS DAMMIT!!!!
20. not enough power
that is all that comes to mind right now, however i do like the huge assortment of aftermarket parts available and when you have a nice camaro or bird people take notice, especially the people in the beat up 3rd gens. but i bought one cause they are cheap and easy to make go fast and the + out weigh the -
1. t-tops leak like hell
2. crappy stock paint
3. squeeks and creeks
4. cracking dash
5. butterfly'ing armrests
6. butterfly'ing center console lid
7. seat belt guide things on the seat suck *****
8. no room in the back for anything but a soda and a few index cards (and my 12's
)9. the damn fart pipe civic that keeps driving around my block
10. gas milage
11. rear drum brakes
12. no gauges read properly
13. cramped engine compartment
14. slow power window motor
15. worst heads gm has ever made
16. cant go a day without seeing a beat up 3rd gen with chrome fender flares and 13" gold wire wheels bumping mexican music with 1 bass line being driven by a dirty field worker (no offense to anybody who is)
17. really harsh ride
18. HUGE a-pillars create massive blind spots
19. NO CUP HOLDERS DAMMIT!!!!
20. not enough power
that is all that comes to mind right now, however i do like the huge assortment of aftermarket parts available and when you have a nice camaro or bird people take notice, especially the people in the beat up 3rd gens. but i bought one cause they are cheap and easy to make go fast and the + out weigh the -
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Car: 1989 Iroc z hardtop
Engine: peanut LB9
Transmission: slopomatic TH700R4
-no cups holders
-falling headliner
-crappy stock paint
-arm rests/door handles peeling apart
-broken rear hatch motor
-sagging heavy doors
-broken door handles
-the whole hatch raddles when two 1000watt 12's get a nice 1200watts all at once for a couple seconds(HX2's and 800A2)
-whisling windows when doin 75+
-the classic "Service engine soon light"- comes and goes more than my money
-back seat is useless as well is the rear of car, and even if my crap wasn't there it would still be useless
- not easy to do a quick repair cause u allways break somethin and make it into a major ordeal
-something breaks aleast twice a month
-need rear tires twice as often as the front tires
-constanly being followed by the cops for 5 blocks
-rattles out the @ss
-dash pad cracks way to easy
-rip in drivers seat
-leather on steering wheel is pitaful
-has tendency to get sideways before i know it when its wet out side(lets not even talk bout the snow)
-front ground effect never fails to rub
-postion of stock y-pipe allways makes smoke from the passangers side of the car(thus i think i blew sumthin up)
-spend 164.32 on a MAF and it doesn't run anybetter.
-harsh ride- way to stiff
-305 (don't need to say more but will)
-tpi has nuttin in the upper range
-whats up with the small bore and crazy restrictive exhaust manifolds. the heads are horrible to and lets no even get started on the cam
-stock 700r4- nuttin more that has to be said bout that
- what's a posi, oh i got to install one only if i want one, ok i get it now
-i can go on but this is enough for now
-falling headliner
-crappy stock paint
-arm rests/door handles peeling apart
-broken rear hatch motor
-sagging heavy doors
-broken door handles
-the whole hatch raddles when two 1000watt 12's get a nice 1200watts all at once for a couple seconds(HX2's and 800A2)
-whisling windows when doin 75+
-the classic "Service engine soon light"- comes and goes more than my money
-back seat is useless as well is the rear of car, and even if my crap wasn't there it would still be useless
- not easy to do a quick repair cause u allways break somethin and make it into a major ordeal
-something breaks aleast twice a month
-need rear tires twice as often as the front tires
-constanly being followed by the cops for 5 blocks
-rattles out the @ss
-dash pad cracks way to easy
-rip in drivers seat
-leather on steering wheel is pitaful
-has tendency to get sideways before i know it when its wet out side(lets not even talk bout the snow)
-front ground effect never fails to rub
-postion of stock y-pipe allways makes smoke from the passangers side of the car(thus i think i blew sumthin up)
-spend 164.32 on a MAF and it doesn't run anybetter.
-harsh ride- way to stiff
-305 (don't need to say more but will)
-tpi has nuttin in the upper range
-whats up with the small bore and crazy restrictive exhaust manifolds. the heads are horrible to and lets no even get started on the cam
-stock 700r4- nuttin more that has to be said bout that
- what's a posi, oh i got to install one only if i want one, ok i get it now
-i can go on but this is enough for now
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This post of getting old now. There cant possible be 5 pages of stuff that al you guys hate about your cars. You dont like it buy something else
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From: Annandale,NJ
all you guys that bitch about the power....the 5spd G92 305TPIs and any 350TPI are good performers being stock....they were quicker then the mustang at the time. I don't want to hear power complaints for TBI guys(hello, that was not a ment as the performance camaro), and the 305TPI auto guys...well that sucks...all i can say, yeah tehy screwed up there, put in the L98 cam and keep the engine in good tune and you are good to go. Or better yet Lt4 cam, cheaper and better. these cars are great foundations for alot of things.
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From: ny-lindy
Car: 1989 Iroc z hardtop
Engine: peanut LB9
Transmission: slopomatic TH700R4
very true to the last 3 posts- i still love my camaro but all of my compains have been fixed due to the fact that i like to kep her in the best shape i can. and i got my car for 1200 so i can't complain to much bout the 305. i wanna get a 350 or just do a lil to the 305-headers/cam/ported intake maybe port heads.
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From: Pembroke Pines, FL
Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: 305
Transmission: T5
Originally posted by CustomX
Only thing i hate is the half metric/half standard bolts. Rest of it is pure orgasmly good ness.
Only thing i hate is the half metric/half standard bolts. Rest of it is pure orgasmly good ness.
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From: Oklahoma city
Car: 90 irocz
Engine: 350tip
Transmission: 700r4
torx dont bother me so much since i use them alot at work on the planes. its having a 10mm socket in hand then your next bolt is 1/2 inch or sumthing stupid on the same part that pises me off.
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From: Washington State
-no cups holders
-falling headliner
-crappy stock paint
-arm rests/door handles peeling apart
-broken rear hatch motor
-sagging heavy doors
-broken door handles
-the whole hatch raddles when two 1000watt 12's get a nice 1200watts all at once for a couple seconds(HX2's and 800A2)
-whisling windows when doin 75+
-the classic "Service engine soon light"- comes and goes more than my money
-back seat is useless as well is the rear of car, and even if my crap wasn't there it would still be useless
- not easy to do a quick repair cause u allways break somethin and make it into a major ordeal
-something breaks aleast twice a month
-need rear tires twice as often as the front tires
-constanly being followed by the cops for 5 blocks
-rattles out the @ss
-dash pad cracks way to easy
-rip in drivers seat
-leather on steering wheel is pitaful
-has tendency to get sideways before i know it when its wet out side(lets not even talk bout the snow)
-front ground effect never fails to rub
-postion of stock y-pipe allways makes smoke from the passangers side of the car(thus i think i blew sumthin up)
-spend 164.32 on a MAF and it doesn't run anybetter.
-harsh ride- way to stiff
-305 (don't need to say more but will)
-tpi has nuttin in the upper range
-whats up with the small bore and crazy restrictive exhaust manifolds. the heads are horrible to and lets no even get started on the cam
-stock 700r4- nuttin more that has to be said bout that
- what's a posi, oh i got to install one only if i want one, ok i get it now
-i can go on but this is enough for now
-falling headliner
-crappy stock paint
-arm rests/door handles peeling apart
-broken rear hatch motor
-sagging heavy doors
-broken door handles
-the whole hatch raddles when two 1000watt 12's get a nice 1200watts all at once for a couple seconds(HX2's and 800A2)
-whisling windows when doin 75+
-the classic "Service engine soon light"- comes and goes more than my money
-back seat is useless as well is the rear of car, and even if my crap wasn't there it would still be useless
- not easy to do a quick repair cause u allways break somethin and make it into a major ordeal
-something breaks aleast twice a month
-need rear tires twice as often as the front tires
-constanly being followed by the cops for 5 blocks
-rattles out the @ss
-dash pad cracks way to easy
-rip in drivers seat
-leather on steering wheel is pitaful
-has tendency to get sideways before i know it when its wet out side(lets not even talk bout the snow)
-front ground effect never fails to rub
-postion of stock y-pipe allways makes smoke from the passangers side of the car(thus i think i blew sumthin up)
-spend 164.32 on a MAF and it doesn't run anybetter.
-harsh ride- way to stiff
-305 (don't need to say more but will)
-tpi has nuttin in the upper range
-whats up with the small bore and crazy restrictive exhaust manifolds. the heads are horrible to and lets no even get started on the cam
-stock 700r4- nuttin more that has to be said bout that
- what's a posi, oh i got to install one only if i want one, ok i get it now
-i can go on but this is enough for now
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From: Washington State
Originally posted by SilverSub122
my turn for a little venting
1. t-tops leak like hell
2. crappy stock paint
3. squeeks and creeks
4. cracking dash
5. butterfly'ing armrests
6. butterfly'ing center console lid
7. seat belt guide things on the seat suck *****
8. no room in the back for anything but a soda and a few index cards (and my 12's )
9. the damn fart pipe civic that keeps driving around my block
10. gas milage
11. rear drum brakes
12. no gauges read properly
13. cramped engine compartment
14. slow power window motor
15. worst heads gm has ever made
16. cant go a day without seeing a beat up 3rd gen with chrome fender flares and 13" gold wire wheels bumping mexican music with 1 bass line being driven by a dirty field worker (no offense to anybody who is)
17. really harsh ride
18. HUGE a-pillars create massive blind spots
19. NO CUP HOLDERS DAMMIT!!!!
20. not enough power
that is all that comes to mind right now, however i do like the huge assortment of aftermarket parts available and when you have a nice camaro or bird people take notice, especially the people in the beat up 3rd gens. but i bought one cause they are cheap and easy to make go fast and the + out weigh the -
my turn for a little venting
1. t-tops leak like hell
2. crappy stock paint
3. squeeks and creeks
4. cracking dash
5. butterfly'ing armrests
6. butterfly'ing center console lid
7. seat belt guide things on the seat suck *****
8. no room in the back for anything but a soda and a few index cards (and my 12's
)9. the damn fart pipe civic that keeps driving around my block
10. gas milage
11. rear drum brakes
12. no gauges read properly
13. cramped engine compartment
14. slow power window motor
15. worst heads gm has ever made
16. cant go a day without seeing a beat up 3rd gen with chrome fender flares and 13" gold wire wheels bumping mexican music with 1 bass line being driven by a dirty field worker (no offense to anybody who is)
17. really harsh ride
18. HUGE a-pillars create massive blind spots
19. NO CUP HOLDERS DAMMIT!!!!
20. not enough power
that is all that comes to mind right now, however i do like the huge assortment of aftermarket parts available and when you have a nice camaro or bird people take notice, especially the people in the beat up 3rd gens. but i bought one cause they are cheap and easy to make go fast and the + out weigh the -
:werd:
too bad nobody wanted to buy it for the price that I was asking 
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From: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
vrooom...your icon is the best thing in the world...lol..
And I HATE HATE HATE damn Torx things...they strip out so easy.
And I HATE HATE HATE damn Torx things...they strip out so easy.