what do you guys think, i have a bone stock 1991 firebird...i can either get some appearance items (ram air hood ect) or i could do some performance mods (exhaust, shift kit ect). also, if you think appearance should come first, then what should i get, same with performance...thanx for the input

cole

 

Hey man, don't forget that when you lower your car, you have increased performance and better looks.

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'82 Firebird, dead stock, 9 bolt disc rear, over 200,000 miles and still going strong, more to come...

 

I'm a firm believer that "go" is more important than "show". You don't mention what engine you have, but in general, exhaust is a great place to start to free up horsepower. Like stingerssx said though, with lowering you get improvement in both areas, provided you do it right. It's fun to outrun someone in a straight line, but not only can you have the same fun with handling, but it could save you from an accident as well. There's been more than one occasion where the handling of my car has gotten me out of a potentially dangerous, or at the least expensice situation.

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"Racing is life. Everything else is just waiting." - Steve McQueen - LeMans

305 TBI, T-5. 15.4@92 mph
Member Southern California Third Gen F-Bodies

AOL IM: Andy89RS

 

i have a 305 tbi with an auto tranny

 

Well If I were you I would do both at the same time. like Exhaust will help HP and you can choose exhaust tips to make yor car look better, or you could do one thing for hp and the next thing for looks. being that most Thirdgens already look good
I would focus more on HP, like a 350 and tell everybody its a stock internal 305 firebird with bolt-ons

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91 Z28 5.7l Camaro
T-56, Cross Drilled Brakes, KYB's,AFPR, 3.73 Gears, Borla Adjustable Cat Back, Hypertech Chip, Hooker Headers.
more to come....
My 91 Z28

 

Well, to me, appearance is better on a thirdgen. There are not many nice third gens. I would rather have my car look like its worth more than 10$ than to have it go fast. Do appearance first, then worry about how fast it goes.

 

hmm... ok, now, theres a whole shebang behind everything, are you gonna repaint the whole car? if so, if you have that much cahs around thats allolttta engine mod,
but then again, id say first do appearnce, allot more people willl see your car than race it

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91 FireBird 305 V-8
no true mods,
ghetto rigged cold air intake,
People dont have a soul, its just something parents made up to frighten little children, like the boogie man, or micheal jackson..."

GheTTo Riggers INC.
We Make Mcgyver look Like Crap

 

What I have learned is you can only do one or the other.. I have tried to do both, but $$ always run dry... If the car dosen't need a paint job I would get the hood and a dynomax cat back and chrome tips. A car can't look good if it does not sound good too... I would then Tint the windows, new tires, rims, ect....


1.Hood
2. Lower It
3. Dynomax Catback

 

IMO show is better than go...my bird was in perfect shape until a slight fender bender. but all the had turns and whistles are what are worth it. as you all know there really aren't many thirdgens in great shape, and thats what i am proud of about my car. i have already spent the cash on replacement parts and just need to bolt them and paint the thing as soon as winter ends, my vote is for appearance...

 

When I was in high school, I had a great looking 2.8 firebird and was totally sick of getting my doors blown off by rice burners at every stop light. I'm doing things differently with my IROC. I won't marry a hot woman with no personality, and I feel the same about my cars. I want my car to look great, but my first priority is performance.

Thirdgens don't get taken seriously because there were a million different motors available, and only a couple are worth a damn right out of the box. Mustang guys and riceburners think our cars are slow because they race LG4 and LO3 IROCs and Trans Ams and spank up on them. GM finally got it right in 93 when there was 1 and only 1 high performance option available.

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I personally like the slightly stock look with the muscles flexing under-hood. Kinda like my car, a 383 stroker making close to 450 hp, yet it is in an '84 Firebird body that was equipped with a V6. Think about it, it is called a sleeper. You can't beat the look on a Mustang driver's face when you smoke his "good-looking" car that is supposedly "fast" in an old 80s car with a little bit of a power implant! I love it. They are just thinkin', "Let me smoke this POS." Then I blip the throttle a few times and let her rip! Just my $.02

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Chris "$teve" Williams
1984 Firebird "Stroker GT
2 1978 WS6 Trans AMs (one of which is a "T/A 6.6" 220 hp.)
http://www.geocities.com/butterscotch_kandy



[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 04, 2001).]

 

I say maintain a very clean and well kept stock appearance and improve upon performance

ive only done two appearance mods to my car, one of which also helped performance which was swapping to crosslace wheels.. although i spent considerable effort and time to strip them and polish the aluminum to a near mirror finish and repaint the center. They also weighed about 45 lbs lighter in total

the other was swapping to a trans am hood other than just the flat ventless hood i had originally.. the swap was due to a small accident when a truck hit me otherwise it woulda stayed like it was

the car has just look thats just a little more polished than factory (the wheels look aftermarket) without being gaudy, and, the engine performance, and exhaust rumble I feel round out hte package nicely to where its very pleasing aesthetically to diehard racers and show and shine folks

so in my opinion, spend the money on the go stuff first before you go tacking on huge "I THINK IM FAST" signs in the form of a ram air hood etc. You are calling attention to something that isnt there (performance)

 

I know its pointless for me to post about this. But I think looks are alot more important than go. But then again its against the law to make your car look nice unless you can run constant 13s on this board. I can see where you guys are comming from, but I mean he isnt getting a 6" coil hood and huge slicks. He just wants a nice ram air hood. Dont you remember what comes stock with those...the V6 Firebirds. Go for looks man! It gets you more girls and if anyone argues with me there....whatever.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

Since when did the V6 Firebird come with a Ram-Air hood? I know for a fact that it is the the now 325hp WS6 Trans Am that comes with them. Sorry my $.02

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Chris "$teve" Williams
1984 Firebird "Stroker GT
2 1978 WS6 Trans AMs (one of which is a "T/A 6.6" 220 hp.)
http://www.geocities.com/butterscotch_kandy



[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 04, 2001).]

 

Id have to go with looks first. I picked up my 91 RS a few months ago and opted to go with a nice new paintjob first. Everyone who sees my car now is really impressed, and even though its not the fastest car out there, i still love driving it around. And ill tell you this....i get a lot more heads turning because of the way it looks, then i do engines revving at lights. I am going to throw a 350 in later this year, and start building it up fast, but id rather drive a great looking car in the meantime, then the old ugly, wore out, paint chipped, stock, dirty rim looking car that it was before.

 

make it GO before you make it show!!! it isnt gonna cost a whole hell of a lot of money to give your tbi a kick in the *** and alot more power. throw about a grand into the engine first. then spend all the money you want on making it look good. just my 2 cents...

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, Edelbrock Performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks.
Grant GT leather wrap steering wheel.
Sony X-plod stereo.
Optima 6x9's

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
4th gen interior
6 point roll cage
3.42 gears
hurst billet/plus shifter
Edelbrock STB
Telstar rims

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Accord Rice Rocket (just barely), countless many ricers....

 

the looks people sound like they need constant emotional encouragement by the attention they get from their car.. is it something that you arent getting at home or something? Im all for having a nice car, but if all you crave is attention just because of outward appearances then perhaps you should see a therapist. If you use your car to get girls you are pretty pathetic and id hate to meet the skanks attracted to thirdgen camaros and firebirds, or, to any car for that matter such that they would want to get "friendly" with the owner just because of their car. if you are interested in looking at pretty things that do nothing perhaps you should get into art, much cheaper than cars

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited January 04, 2001).]

 

i dont know about anyone else but if women wanna get "friendly" cause they like my car thats cool cause its happened to me before and i dont mess with skanky women. but hell i dont know make you car look pretty sweet then make it go real fast.

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1986 IROC Z-28 CAMARO
"I dont trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesnt die"
Garrison

"...side two of led zeppelin four always puts women in the mood."

 

Pablo, I agree you and I think the same. Clean and powerful is the name of the game. We already have better looking cars stock than the mustangs, so why not just invest in a more powerful powerplant and really make the **** wish he had a chevy.
About that stock look, I can't agree more except for a couple of things. I like seeing those 84 camaro's with no ground effects and 454s but that's not my type. When I say stock I'm talking about stock parts like 91-92 ground effects and rear spoiler. I don't like the hood blisters much and I really like the way the stock hood looks. As for wheels, stock are great but you really can't turn down a nice set like centerline or ROHZ. Or how about those 18x8 IROC wheels. They're stock look but aftermarket built and I like that. Only stock part I really dislike is the old tail light style and the notchback. Those were just as pretty as those early 80's 4 door cavaliers :-)

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, Jon (91 RS too many mods to list), getting new engine in summer

 

Are we talking about the double deck ram air hood? NO! Im talking about the one that you can get from ASCD that is NOW on the base model V6 firebird.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

This is my opinion & this is coming from someone who drives a V6.
I'm going all show & then go. I don't have the time or the money to get into the engine. I've done all about I can do to my car to make it go fast for the exception of installing the headers, a cold intake & a locker.
So I'm going to go all show until the engine dies. I want to get the most out of my current setup that I have. So for me it's more of a time & money type thing.
But I can flip the coin as well. It would be better to do all performance & engine mods, rebuild, etc, before you do a repaint & crap so that you don't scratch or break anything but that is like anything: Time & Money Permitting.
Like I said I'm not too concerned about going really fast until my engine kicks off so that's my opinion. And I could care less if girls go googoo gaga over my car b/c I already have a woman so it's more a personal pride type thing.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

 

is it this one?



or this one maybe?



because, I know you aren't saying that the first one ever came stock on any V6s, it is after market. The second one is optional even on T/As. I'm not tryin to start anything, but you show me a V6 F-body with a Ram-Air hood FACTORY-stock.

[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 04, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 04, 2001).]

 

Definately HP.... going fast IS looking good. That's no excuse to have an ugly, run-down ****box though. I flirted with the idea of getting a ram air hood over the summer, but then I decided it would be false advertising. I have a car that runs mid 14s at best. My stock hood is fine. I'll wait until my ride has the sack to back up the visual '$hit talk' of a ram air hood (or aftermarket 17" wheels, or a 4thgen spoiler, or what have you.)

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91 Trans Am WS6
Bright White
5.0 TPI auto
Flowmaster 3" 2 chamber catback
Trans Go shiftkit
2000 stall converter

Built on Wednesday

 

DaBandit

I know, Im not trying to start anything either. But here is a picture of a firebird with that hood.



If ya still dont believe me go to your local Pontiac dealer. Ok now about you guys saying have go first. I dont know if this guy has a V6 or not...But if he does he is fast, for his series. I mean you cant tell him he isnt fast just because he cant run 12 seconds on the 1/4 mile like you can. Because he doesnt have the same engine as you. I see how you can get mad because a V6 puts a SS or RAM AIR hood on his car but as long as he doesnt sport SS or RAM AIR stickers on his car then its fine. He just likes the looks of the hoods he isnt saying he has a 350. But I just wanted to point this out to all the people that shot me down because I wanted a cowl hood and spoiler on my V6. So thats all I gotta say. Later guys!



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

ok, heres how i see the situation. If u really have to decide if you want your car to be fast or to look good, you shouldnt have bought the car that you did. Think about it. If your car was horribly ugly and really fast when you bought it, then you wouldn't have to worry about which mods you would do first. Also, if you buy a beautiful car that doesnt run well, you know what you have to do. If your car is horribly ugly, and slow, then why buy it when there are hundreds of third gens out there?? An average third gen looks fine, so horsepower improvements should be done first, then give it $2000 worth of body work and paint, problem solved

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"When something breaks, it gives me an excuse to replace it with a performace part!"
1988 GTA
TES headers
Flowmaster exaust
TB airfoil
165 Tstat
K+N's
JET chip
kenwood head unit, xplod amp, poineer 3 ways
weird rattling noises
dying 350
crappy paint
700R4 on its last leg
hood that won't open

 

That's a totally flat hood. That "ram air" is just a grill and does nothing to provide cold air to the motor. Here's the ram air on the same style car:

That's a ws6 Trans Am. That and the WS6 Formula are the only cars available with that hood from the factory, and both have the LS1 V8.

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The IROC Homepage
<A HREF="http://www.rit.edu/~jli4307/camaro" TARGET=_blank>
View the restoration of an 85 IROC</A>
"I didn't know a bored out Ford could go so slow" -Shenandoah

 

And you can get a double deck WS6 hood for a 3rd gen fbird? If so thats new to me. Sorry, I thought you were talking about the one in my post.

 

Hey Jim85IROC, you had to post that damn picture of that damn WS6 didn't you? I love those Ram Air T/A's. They are so sweet. I'd love to have one but too much money for me right now. Maybe in a couple years I'll pick one up but dammit you had to post it. lol

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

 

Check this out, man. Don't spend too much money on either. What you need to do is work your way through any and all super cheap stuff first. There's really a lot to do to a 3rd gen that won't cost a hell of a lot more than your time. People see my 91 and they think I stole it when I tell them how much I paid.

 

ok guys i have a 1990 iroc that runs consistant 14.0's with what is listed in my name tag. but i have the exhaust that will get me into the 13's. and i have some body work to do. so i am making my car look its best and go for good looks. i am totally redoing the car in a HUGGER ORANGE hue with BLACK STRIPES. right now in the stage i am in it is all about looks. yeah my car isnt a 12 sec racer but you know what there arent many cars that can say they run high 13's without even taking a valve cover off. so i am all about looks right now. and then putting $4,000 estimated in to my engine. it will all work out. and if something does break when i am redoing then i will replace it with performance. just make the mechanics run consistant, and you can do what you want. just my .02.

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1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
AFPR 49PSI, GUTTED AIR BOXES, K&N, RAM AIR, PORTED PLENUM, B&M SHIFTER, 3.23 LIMITED SLIP, DUAL CATS, STOCK SUPER TURBO EXHAUST, COOPER COBRA XST's

MUSTANGS...ONLY 4 LUGS....HAHA THAT IS HILARIOUS.

 

monkie,
getting back to the matter of his engine, he has a 305 TBI. Stock those engines dont have much more HP than your V6, they only made something 160-170 HP i think (dont quote me on those numbers im not positve, but i know its not much). but it doesnt take a lot to get them to perform, for less than 1000 that engine could really be woken up

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, Edelbrock Performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks.
Grant GT leather wrap steering wheel.
Sony X-plod stereo.
Optima 6x9's

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
4th gen interior
6 point roll cage
3.42 gears
hurst billet/plus shifter
Edelbrock STB
Telstar rims

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Accord Rice Rocket (just barely), countless many ricers....

 

RARE-ROC-Z thats gonna look awsome. Like the old first gens right? Sweet! You are gonna post pictures of it after the job right? I hope so.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

zupmanz28,

what are some mods that you reccomend to do to my engine to wake it up? thanx

 

The best place to start is with your exhuast. ditch your whole setup now an dgo for SLP headers, a hi flo cat and a good quality cat back.. After that, have your heads reworked, and install a cam to match the heads. these mods will really breathe new life into your L03.

hope this helps you out....

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, Edelbrock Performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks.
Grant GT leather wrap steering wheel.
Sony X-plod stereo.
Optima 6x9's

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
4th gen interior
6 point roll cage
3.42 gears
hurst billet/plus shifter
Edelbrock STB
Telstar rims

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Accord Rice Rocket (just barely), countless many ricers....

 

I think that if ur building a car purely for speed and u have a low budget than of course performance is gonna be over apperance. Your not there to win a fashion contest ur there to win a race. But a lot of people on this board have cars that are their daily drivers. And personally, I like to have a good looking car and a fast one at the same time as a daily driver. Looks that aren't meant to pick up chicks but looks that will have car enthuesiest (sp?) say, "Nice lookin car and it sounds healthy too" and something that u can be proud of cause u take good care of it. Adding flashy stuff I think is stuipd. 20" chrome rims,black lights and stropes inside the car are just plain dumb, along with stripes on the outside of the car that don't belong there. Performace and apperance should be equally matched when it comes to a daily driver.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI

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http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

 

Jprevost.. you're right, we see eye to eye on this.. I agree totally, keep things within the realm of stock and it looks tastefull, even if that means stock for different models or model years, if done right etc

and Monkie, you should head over to your pontiac dealership and pop the hood on a v6 firebird. Youll quickly learn there is no "double deck" for the ram air versions because the two holes are not in the hood they are recesses in the bumper cover allowing access to the hood latch and providing some air to the radiator. The hood is infact totally flat with no vents holes or anything of that nature. THe only ram air hood is available on LS1 cars. Because of the two recesses in the bumper cover below the nostrils on the hood it appears as if it were a "double decker" when it is infact not.

 

zupmanZ28 yea those numbers are right. If you have a TBI and want some power why not just convert to a TPI? Just an idea.

And Pablo I know, but Im sayin didnt they get that hood (atleast idea/design) that is on the new V6s from the old 94 T/As? Im pretty sure they did. Because it used to be a cowl design on the front to where the vents faced the front.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

Monkie, yes, they probably did. The 94 Trans Am had a flat, totally non functional useless hood just like the new V6 cars.

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The IROC Homepage
<A HREF="http://www.rit.edu/~jli4307/camaro" TARGET=_blank>
View the restoration of an 85 IROC</A>
"I didn't know a bored out Ford could go so slow" -Shenandoah

 

Pablo, you are correct on that point, but the "Ram Air" hood realy doesn't do much either. If you look at one real close you will see the air has to come in then it hits a wall and is redirected down then under and back up into the aircleaner. Not a very efficient "Ram Air" set up if you ask me, and with it looking as gawdy as it does it was just a bad design (in my oppinion). The regular stock hood you can cut out behind the holes in the facia and guess what you have a true ram air set up (we did this on a friends 98 T/A and it works great) that works MUCH better than the "Ram Air" hood. Enough about 4th Gens though.

I am an advocate of Speed before sparkle myself as you can tell by looking at the pic of my wifes third gen. Now that the motor is in place (just needs a couple of things to finish it out but is quick enough for now) we are going to start updating the looks of the car with the later model front facia an 91-92 ground effects and headlight and taillight blackouts and a new paint job (It will be Candy purple color, kind of hard to describe but it is a bright but deep lolly pop purple color... not that cheap looking flat purple you sometimes see and not that dark *** purple that came on them). The car as it sits now is fun because people don't expect this old stock looking third gen with a girl driving to be fast at all and when she shuts them down they always have that look of "What just happened" on there face.... it is fun as hell .
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82 Z28 with 350.motor has .030 forged flat top pistions other wise stock bottom end, Summit 214/224 cam with 1.6 Harland Sharp roller rockers, stock 882 heads for now (will be getting a set of the 23 degree Trick Flows this summer), Performer RPM intake, Holley 750 Vacuum secondary, Th350 with 2200 converter, stock 3.23 geared rearend for now (getting 9" later on), Headman shorty headers, custom 2.5" into 3.5" Y pipe into M.A.C. offroad pipe and M.A.C. cat back system. So far car has only been to the track twice and is having sever traction problems but is running 60'-2.34 1/8 mile-9.2 @ 79 MPH.

 

I am pretty sure this IS the hood that came on the '94 T/As with WS6. The fact that ASCD makes them avalible for all new cars is beside the point, it originally came on WS6 T/As and Formulas. And the other guy is right, the hood on the new 3800 V6 Firebird is nothing like a Ram Air it is just an air inlet for the radiator. I know this, because I have friends with these cars and my dad is an auto-technician at a dealership. Just tryin' to clear things up. No hard feelings.

[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 05, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 05, 2001).]

 

novaguy, that camaro looks killer.. to me that looks good, im a sucker for draglights on camaros, makes yours look like it means business even if its not all polished and thats what its all about

heh i just realized it looks just like my 84 Z, black and grey gfx with the big tips

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited January 05, 2001).]

 

forget about horsepower, forget about looks, just give me the third gen skanks....god bless em! LOL

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3.8 turbo 20th anniversary transam #497 first owed by Clifford Williams, Bass player from rock band AC/DC

 

Monkie not starting anything, but the the pic you posted is a pi of a Trans Am not a V6. The Fog lights in the bumper show that. The V6's have a different nose on the where the parking lights and Fog lights are further out towards the side.
\The are right the hood on the 3800s are for air flow only not ram air

 

No kyle that is a firebird. Go to your local pontiac dealer. And I got that pic off the pontiac site under the FIREBIRD topic. Sorry dude.

 

Gotta agree w/ Monkie on that one but also the low level base model V8's had that hood too. I see more of those V8's w/ that hood around town than I do 4th gen V6's.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

 

Ok eveyone No V6 ever came with a Ram Air hood. Now the base model V6 and Trans Am do have the same hoods but neither are "Ram Air"

Monkie Goto: http://www.pontiac.com/firebird/models.html
There you will see What I am talking about. Notice that the Firebird is shown from the rear, but the Formula(as everyone knows is a V8 in a Firebird Body) Shows the Firebird front end. Then you can compare it to the Trans AM right below it. Notcie the differnt noses and the location of the Fog Lights. Then to compare the Trans Am to the base car has the same hood as the T/A. Ok now look at the car spinning above it and that is the Ram Air hood on a WS6 model.
Ok said my piece now I am out.

 

Thanks Pablo, The car is actually dark blue with the grey it is just hard to tell in the pic. We got some better pics of it this weekend. Here is one we took of it in front of an old 1800's cemetary.
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Hey Kyle I think thats what Monkie was referring too. We know that no V6 ever came stock w/ a Ram Air hood. That's why I agreed w/ him.

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Yes, but monkie said that the pic he posted was a V6 convertible. I was pointing out that it was a T/A convertible because of the front end. Yes I agree with him that the same hood came on the V8 and V6

 

Hey you might be right. Actually I dont know the difference between a Firebird and a Trans. Im a Chevy guy. But I got it off their site, clicked on firebird pictures and there it was. But that hood is on the V6s NOT the stacked ram air hood but that wanna be ram air one. I think it looks better than the double deck one. The double is just too much, its...ewwww. But thats what I think. Well, got to go back to school. Later guys!

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