My dad and I are starting yet another resto project
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OK. Beyond the fact that you'll get an "edge" on everything, and that the moldings aren't supposed to be painted, that's fine...
Nobody questioned why you weren't painting the jambs, underhood, etc...
That's just cheesy. Sorry. And I don't say that in a mean way.
No problem with it, it's your car... to me that isn't "restored" though... it's repainted, yes... but don't turn around and expect that it's at the level of a car where those precautions actually were taken, and don't think it's worth anywhere near the same amount... To be honest, doing a car the way you are, just makes a harder task for someone "fully restoring" that car at a later time... along with the fact that any trim with paint on it, will most likely be replaced...
And not for nothing, "taking a brush and some black paint and painting the inner fenders" has gotta be one of the tackiest things I've ever heard. The front liners come out in about 5 minutes, and is it really that much effort to tape off the rears, and reshoot them with either rubberized undercoating, or just black paint?
In the past, when I saw pics of your old Maroon car, it was pretty impressive looking. I even remember reading the ebay auction... and based on the pics, the price seemed more than fair; but now, seeing the shortcuts taken on this car, I'm questioning if it was just the result of good camera work... again, I am not saying this to bash of offend in any way...
Nobody questioned why you weren't painting the jambs, underhood, etc...
That's just cheesy. Sorry. And I don't say that in a mean way.
No problem with it, it's your car... to me that isn't "restored" though... it's repainted, yes... but don't turn around and expect that it's at the level of a car where those precautions actually were taken, and don't think it's worth anywhere near the same amount... To be honest, doing a car the way you are, just makes a harder task for someone "fully restoring" that car at a later time... along with the fact that any trim with paint on it, will most likely be replaced...
And not for nothing, "taking a brush and some black paint and painting the inner fenders" has gotta be one of the tackiest things I've ever heard. The front liners come out in about 5 minutes, and is it really that much effort to tape off the rears, and reshoot them with either rubberized undercoating, or just black paint?
In the past, when I saw pics of your old Maroon car, it was pretty impressive looking. I even remember reading the ebay auction... and based on the pics, the price seemed more than fair; but now, seeing the shortcuts taken on this car, I'm questioning if it was just the result of good camera work... again, I am not saying this to bash of offend in any way...
You seem like the guy that would take $1,000 of the value of a car if the original window sticker wasn't with it.
Ok so anyways, here's the deal. The maroon one we restored, was a nice car. The majority of my local fbody club (which is a huge club, check it out at fastlouis.com) thought it was an amazing car and that we did an awesome job with it. SO with that being said, you and nobody else on here has anything to worry about with this car we're restoring, because it's going to look even better than the other one. I'm not sorry I'm not doing it YOUR way, and it wouldn't matter anyways because we're not selling it. So I guess....get over it lol
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No more pictures right now, nothing to look at right now since we just wetsanded the first coat of clear, and it looks like a chalkboard right now. Tomorrow it will get 2-3 more coats.
Thanks
Not my way... the right way.
Like I said, I'm not bashing... it's your car, paint it pink with polka dots for all I care - paint the glass & rims too, while you're at it... I just don't know that what you're actually doing is "restoration".
Taping off, painting around, and clearing over IROC-Z door decals is probably one of the lazinest, cheapest ways of doing things that I have ever heard of... but to each their own...
Like I said, I'm not bashing... it's your car, paint it pink with polka dots for all I care - paint the glass & rims too, while you're at it... I just don't know that what you're actually doing is "restoration".
Taping off, painting around, and clearing over IROC-Z door decals is probably one of the lazinest, cheapest ways of doing things that I have ever heard of... but to each their own...
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Not my way... the right way.
Like I said, I'm not bashing... it's your car, paint it pink with polka dots for all I care - paint the glass & rims too, while you're at it... I just don't know that what you're actually doing is "restoration".
Taping off, painting around, and clearing over IROC-Z door decals is probably one of the lazinest, cheapest ways of doing things that I have ever heard of... but to each their own...
Like I said, I'm not bashing... it's your car, paint it pink with polka dots for all I care - paint the glass & rims too, while you're at it... I just don't know that what you're actually doing is "restoration".
Taping off, painting around, and clearing over IROC-Z door decals is probably one of the lazinest, cheapest ways of doing things that I have ever heard of... but to each their own...
It works. I bet you wouldn't had noticed that one of the NEW door decals we put on that maroon car was angled the wrong way on the door, and you're going to nit pick the way we're doing these ones.

And it's not lazy really, considering the patience it takes to actually mask of the decals and NOT any square millimeter of the blue paint. It looks like these were just applied over a fresh coat of paint, but whatever. To each his own, and I own this, so it's my way.
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It's obvious you're dad can paint well, I just seems logical that if this is such a rare car that you're never selling that you both would have taken the time to do it right and spend a little more time and money on it. Imagine how nice it would be if you did! Calling it a restoration is quite the stretch of truth.
What you're doing is nothing different than what most used car lots do just to "flip" a car, except they call them "Mint-1 Owners"!
Call your next thread "...another paint project"
Just my opinion,end of rant!
( And i bet you sell it!)
What you're doing is nothing different than what most used car lots do just to "flip" a car, except they call them "Mint-1 Owners"!
Call your next thread "...another paint project"
Just my opinion,end of rant!
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It's obvious you're dad can paint well, I just seems logical that if this is such a rare car that you're never selling that you both would have taken the time to do it right and spend a little more time and money on it. Imagine how nice it would be if you did! Calling it a restoration is quite the stretch of truth.
What you're doing is nothing different than what most used car lots do just to "flip" a car, except they call them "Mint-1 Owners"!
Call your next thread "...another paint project"
Just my opinion,end of rant!
( And i bet you sell it!)
What you're doing is nothing different than what most used car lots do just to "flip" a car, except they call them "Mint-1 Owners"!
Call your next thread "...another paint project"
Just my opinion,end of rant!
( And i bet you sell it!)
And I'll call it a restoration if I feel like it. Sorry I don't have the car stripped down to nothing and on a shishkabob like freaking beef jerky. It's not a rotisserie restoration, but it's still going to drive and look like it did when it was brand new, which in my book is a restoration.
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I'm with Stu on this one. I've spent well over a month on just body work alone on my iroc tearing stuff apart just to make sure everyting is good to go. If ya dont beleive me, then go... http://www.imangry.net/ne3/Kat/iroc/ the last pic is how it sits at the shop now till it gets warmer out. Then I'll finish it. It has all new weather stripping as well when I get done with it decals and all. But hey as long as you're happy with it thats all that matters I suppose.
And I'll call it a restoration if I feel like it. Sorry I don't have the car stripped down to nothing and on a shishkabob like freaking beef jerky. It's not a rotisserie restoration, but it's still going to drive and look like it did when it was brand new, which in my book is a restoration.
Dont take it the wrong way, i think it looks great, and its awesome progress at creating a nice thirdgen. But its not restored.
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Sweet well I'm glad you guys all got that off your chest. I'm pretty happy with the way this resto is going so far though. I mean I'm the one who will be driving it so it's my problem if the paint falls off in 3 months. And yea I called it a resto again, whatcha gonn do about it 
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Oh and the cd player came with the car when we bought it, so I'm glad you all ASSumed it was staying

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Oh and the cd player came with the car when we bought it, so I'm glad you all ASSumed it was staying
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Nice patch!
You can call it whatever you want.
You can call even call the color "blue", "red" instead - but to everyone else, it's still "blue".
Listen, I'm not trying to rip apart the work you're doing... because it does "look better" than it did before... but there's a difference between "looking better", and actually "restoring" a car. If someone did a "restoration" like that on a '69 Z/28 or a '70 LS6 Chevelle, I think even you would agree. Just call it what it is...
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Nothing but have a little less respect for you and whatever you say you've done to any of your Dad's cars.
I'd like to hear your dad's thoughts and whether he would call it a restoration and if he'd do the same thing to a 69 Camaro if he found one cheap enough to "restore".
I'd like to hear your dad's thoughts and whether he would call it a restoration and if he'd do the same thing to a 69 Camaro if he found one cheap enough to "restore".
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Not that way it won't... and concerning yourself with "what it's gonna be worth" implies than you are at least thinking of flipping it...
You mean this interior?
Nice patch!
You can call it whatever you want.
You can call even call the color "blue", "red" instead - but to everyone else, it's still "blue".
Hmm, interesting... I didn't know they came with tape lines on all the rubber, gunked together bumpers/trim, painted moldings, paint on the edges of every emblem on the car, brush painted wheelwells, and the taped off/painted around/clearcoated over door decals
Listen, I'm not trying to rip apart the work you're doing... because it does "look better" than it did before... but there's a difference between "looking better", and actually "restoring" a car. If someone did a "restoration" like that on a '69 Z/28 or a '70 LS6 Chevelle, I think even you would agree. Just call it what it is...
You mean this interior?
Nice patch!
You can call it whatever you want.
You can call even call the color "blue", "red" instead - but to everyone else, it's still "blue".
Hmm, interesting... I didn't know they came with tape lines on all the rubber, gunked together bumpers/trim, painted moldings, paint on the edges of every emblem on the car, brush painted wheelwells, and the taped off/painted around/clearcoated over door decals
Listen, I'm not trying to rip apart the work you're doing... because it does "look better" than it did before... but there's a difference between "looking better", and actually "restoring" a car. If someone did a "restoration" like that on a '69 Z/28 or a '70 LS6 Chevelle, I think even you would agree. Just call it what it is...
A) The patch in the headliner. Yep that's a patch, and guess what. When the paint is done the guy that put in the headliner for us is redoing it for free.
B) The "brush painted wheel wells" look professionally done when we do it. Using flat black, and a lot of patience, we make it look like undercoating.
C) the door decals, get over it lol Yep, they have clear coat on them. Omg someone fall out of their chair with a heart attack it's the end of the world.

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Nothing but have a little less respect for you and whatever you say you've done to any of your Dad's cars.
I'd like to hear your dad's thoughts and whether he would call it a restoration and if he'd do the same thing to a 69 Camaro if he found one cheap enough to "restore".
I'd like to hear your dad's thoughts and whether he would call it a restoration and if he'd do the same thing to a 69 Camaro if he found one cheap enough to "restore".

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And another thing, just because a car isn't rottiserie style restored, doesn't mean it hasn't been restored. Just because we didn't rip out all the seats and carpet and every single piece of trim, does not mean that this car is not being restored. It's going to look and drive like it did back in 1990 with few small changes such as the tail lights and door decals having clear coat on them.
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Resto, as you call it, is PAINTING then REPLACING worn out seals, components, etc. You just said it doesn't need anything else, so..... how can it be anything BUT a new paint job??
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This is geting sad. Probly half this post is people compaining that he called it a restoration.
The car is close to done now and i doubt he is going to start over again to please everyone when he is already pleased with the car.
The car is close to done now and i doubt he is going to start over again to please everyone when he is already pleased with the car.
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There, you said it, if nothing needs replacing and it's (was?) that nice then it's just a REPAINTED original!
Resto, as you call it, is PAINTING then REPLACING worn out seals, components, etc. You just said it doesn't need anything else, so..... how can it be anything BUT a new paint job??

Resto, as you call it, is PAINTING then REPLACING worn out seals, components, etc. You just said it doesn't need anything else, so..... how can it be anything BUT a new paint job??

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I had my front bumper repainted, and my fiberglass hood painted this past spring.
Anyone want to buy a restored Formula? Nothing else needed replacing!
Anyone want to buy a restored Formula? Nothing else needed replacing!
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Im quite serious! Its restored, and I want to sell it! Since the hood is fiberglass, I think that I can ask $10,000 in the spring!
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Good luck to you on that then...I'm sick of hearing your b.s.
Keep talking, I'm not responding after this because I just got a phone call and I need to go down to Florida cuz my grandpa just had a stroke. So laugh it up, I don't care at all anymore. Thanks for the support with the car, it's good to know that my fellow 3rd genners are supportive of the hard work we've been putting into the car.
Keep talking, I'm not responding after this because I just got a phone call and I need to go down to Florida cuz my grandpa just had a stroke. So laugh it up, I don't care at all anymore. Thanks for the support with the car, it's good to know that my fellow 3rd genners are supportive of the hard work we've been putting into the car.
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I'm not trying to hijack my own thread here, but I thought I should let you guys know since I told you about this.
My grandpa had a severe hemeridge in his brain stem. The neurosurgeon is giving him 1-2 hours to live. The brain damage is irreversible and there is zero chance of recovery. I wish I could be there with my grandma right now, but she's 12 hours away from home. The last time I saw him was Thursday when he helped me put new brakes on my gf's IROC. I don't even know if I said goodbye to him or not because I had planned on seeing him on Sunday before they left for Florida. Anyways, I won't be able to go Florida because both my parents are going and I have to stay with my little brother and sister. This just happened so fast, I think I'm still in shock...
My grandpa had a severe hemeridge in his brain stem. The neurosurgeon is giving him 1-2 hours to live. The brain damage is irreversible and there is zero chance of recovery. I wish I could be there with my grandma right now, but she's 12 hours away from home. The last time I saw him was Thursday when he helped me put new brakes on my gf's IROC. I don't even know if I said goodbye to him or not because I had planned on seeing him on Sunday before they left for Florida. Anyways, I won't be able to go Florida because both my parents are going and I have to stay with my little brother and sister. This just happened so fast, I think I'm still in shock...
sorry to hear about your gramps nick, you and your family will be in you thoughts. and don't stress the bs that is one of the big reasons i dont come to this site much anymore. everyone seems to want to start crap with people who either are just trying to get some good info, then it turns out to be a bit-- fest. we now how u restore your cars and the people that think they now it all fu-- them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry this gets me going.
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wow some of you people are being real a$$holes about him saying restoration. its his car and he can call what he does to it w/e he feels best fits it. so if i bought say a 1970 car that had 2000 original miles on it and it had nothing wrong with it except for faded paint and i repainted it it would not be restored? i guess from some perspectives it wasn't restored but would it really be necessary? no. why would nick go through all the extra trouble and pay all the extra money to "correctly" restore a car that does not need it. restoring from his perspective is making the car look like it did when it rolled out of the show room which im 100% sure that it will when he is done. done ranting now.
sorry to hear about your grandparent nick i wish the best for you and your family and you will be in my prayers.
sorry to hear about your grandparent nick i wish the best for you and your family and you will be in my prayers.
I don't understand why people are giving you such a hard time about this. The car is starting to look amazing, just like the other ones (trust me i obsessed about the maroon iroc, she was gorgeous). If he wants to call it a restoration...let him call it a restoration, its really not a big deal at all and id say its been blown way out of proportion in this thread.
On another note, sorry to hear about your grandpa
On another note, sorry to hear about your grandpa
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I'm glad to see he's doing some work. Did he take shortcuts? Sure. Will paint issues most likely show up in the future? Perhaps. I know if "I" was doing the car I'd go the extra steps and do things right however it's not my car(s). Keep up the work, at least they'll be less clapped out thirdgens out there when you're done painting them
. BTW he's not restoring them, he's giving them a paint job(for those that feel the need to argue) but it's a moot point.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather.
I'm glad to see he's doing some work. Did he take shortcuts? Sure. Will paint issues most likely show up in the future? Perhaps. I know if "I" was doing the car I'd go the extra steps and do things right however it's not my car(s). Keep up the work, at least they'll be less clapped out thirdgens out there when you're done painting them
. BTW he's not restoring them, he's giving them a paint job(for those that feel the need to argue) but it's a moot point.Sorry to hear about your grandfather.
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The webster definition of restoration is:
1.) A bringing back to a former position or condition…
2.) a representation or reconstruction of the original form
Is he not trying to bring his car back to the former position?
Is he not trying to reconstruct his car to its original form?
Just because he’s not ripping every lil part off his car, doesn’t mean this it not a restoration…. Some of us don’t have the time or money to do everything at once, like some of you do hear. My car will always be a work in progress, and I’ll always try to bring it back it original form…. But just because I’m not doing everything at once does that mean it’s not a restoration….? If so I’m very offended by that…. Anyway you guys are ruining a great thread with all this bickering…
Bluezee keep up the good work, I’m looking forward to see it after paint….
I’m also very sorry to hear about your grandpa, at lest u have a really great memory to remember him by…. (changing the brakes on the gf car) hope everything is better soon…
1.) A bringing back to a former position or condition…
2.) a representation or reconstruction of the original form
Is he not trying to bring his car back to the former position?
Is he not trying to reconstruct his car to its original form?
Just because he’s not ripping every lil part off his car, doesn’t mean this it not a restoration…. Some of us don’t have the time or money to do everything at once, like some of you do hear. My car will always be a work in progress, and I’ll always try to bring it back it original form…. But just because I’m not doing everything at once does that mean it’s not a restoration….? If so I’m very offended by that…. Anyway you guys are ruining a great thread with all this bickering…
Bluezee keep up the good work, I’m looking forward to see it after paint….
I’m also very sorry to hear about your grandpa, at lest u have a really great memory to remember him by…. (changing the brakes on the gf car) hope everything is better soon…
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There is one thing I've never understood about this board and that's the theory that everyone should love what everyone else is doing to their car, regardless if it's a wheel that doesn't fit "in the lip", tacky upholstery, brush on paint jobs or wild graphics.
There has to be objections so people can get an understanding of what other people think of their ideas! Good or Bad! That's the whole idea of the board!
I like BlueZee28, I think he's a good kid and can only hope that my 15 year old son takes as much interest in my thirdgen as Nick does in his when he gets to his age. It's obvious he has a real affection for the cars and knows how to take care of them. But it's a 2-way street, give a little and take a little and don't take criticism so harsh. It's how we all learn on here!
My prayers go out to you and your family at this most difficult time Nick.
There has to be objections so people can get an understanding of what other people think of their ideas! Good or Bad! That's the whole idea of the board!
I like BlueZee28, I think he's a good kid and can only hope that my 15 year old son takes as much interest in my thirdgen as Nick does in his when he gets to his age. It's obvious he has a real affection for the cars and knows how to take care of them. But it's a 2-way street, give a little and take a little and don't take criticism so harsh. It's how we all learn on here!
My prayers go out to you and your family at this most difficult time Nick.
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But when the same people are going to other threads he has post on and still making fun of him just because he said that he is restoring a car. That is just plain BS, i know people can go overboard but doing that is just making an a** out of themselves.
When someone post something that i dont like i try and say good job but its not for me. I dont always say it right but i wouldent go on and on making fun of him just trying to agravate him.
PS. srry about your grandpaw
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Car: 1991 Z28 convertible built 3/1/1990
Engine: Cammed 6.0L LSX
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: custom Ford 8.8", 4.10 gears
Well, grandpa passed away this morning at about 9:00. He held on long enough to see his kids right before he died. It hasn't hit me or my siblings yet, but I think when my parents and my grandma get home tomorrow it'll really sink in. I just can't believe he's gone. This passed weekend we were putting brakes on Krista's car and just like that he's gone...
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From: Joplin, Missouri
Car: '91 Z28
Engine: L98 H/C/I - 400whp
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Moser 12-Bolt(4:30 w/spool)
Lookin Wicked Nick! Damn, that better be finished by the time I come up to visit so that your whole family can each cruise in a 3rd Gen while I bring mine up and we'll own the streets. Good job though bro, lookin great!
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Car: Camaro Vert
Engine: 355 HSR
Transmission: A4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 S60
Well, grandpa passed away this morning at about 9:00. He held on long enough to see his kids right before he died. It hasn't hit me or my siblings yet, but I think when my parents and my grandma get home tomorrow it'll really sink in. I just can't believe he's gone. This passed weekend we were putting brakes on Krista's car and just like that he's gone...
Sorry to hear
It was like that with my nana. Talking to her 12 midnight, and 11 am I was calling 911 for an ambulence. 9 hours later after I called for an ambulence she passed away. If ya need someone to shoot the **** with or whatever send me a PM and I'll give ya my #
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From: Edison nj.
Car: 84 firebird
Engine: 400 sbc
Transmission: th350
Axle/Gears: 3.08
My condolences to you and your family.
Your car is nice, your work is nice, and you have better condition project cars then almost every other person on this forum, Dont let it get to you that people with stock 305's and old peeling paint, are giving you crap about calling it a resto, they are just jellous, and in my eyes anything can be a resto.
Your car is nice, your work is nice, and you have better condition project cars then almost every other person on this forum, Dont let it get to you that people with stock 305's and old peeling paint, are giving you crap about calling it a resto, they are just jellous, and in my eyes anything can be a resto.






