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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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brake ducitng pics

I posted in the brake board as well,
I'm looking for any pics of your front brake ducting (cooling hoses)
Any help would be great,
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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I didnt know my brakes had cooling hoses.
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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They don't - I'm putting my car on the track next season, and want to see how some board members who race their cars have routed the 'plumbing' to keep the rotor/hub cool.
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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here is a set that Andris Skulte sells, or you can make your own.
http://www.skulte.com/index.php/cPat...0e1915e1d171d6
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Zepher,
those look interesting - the issue of warpage caught my attention, so did the price! - mind you, I don't think I could make them for much cheaper, if you add the time to fiddle.....,
How about the actual tubing? - some guys run the tube from the parking lights, and others from under the botom airdam? - through to the rotor assembly - this is what I am also going to be putting into place over the winter, but want to see how others have done it.
Thanks
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Old Nov 28, 2006 | 11:20 PM
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You have got to be effing kidding me. $199 for that? Holy shat it looks like it was cut with an exacto knife.
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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You have got to be effing kidding me. $199 for that? Holy shat it looks like it was cut with an exacto knife.
Well, it does come with all the hardware which in the end starts to add up if you do it yourself, and if you read through the pics that are provided, it is stated that the pictures may vary from the actual product.(the pics are of prototypes... ) Overall, I think it looks like a good product - Especially if you don't have the time to fab. I have been looking into doing something similar, and let me tell you, it is more work than it looks. The two reviews are good as well. Once I get frustrated with my own, I may end up buy his product.
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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Wow. Just wow. I could expect something like that on a 'vette board or porsche board but thirdgens? $200?
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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If you read, it says it's a prototype. I'm betting the finished version will look much better.
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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I've seen Andris' products go thru devlopment and production - those pictures were taken during the prototyping stage on his Z28TT project.

$200 is well worth the benefits of what his products can do. If it was garbage, it would not be on his own Twin Turbo race car.
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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Iansane,
Thanks for your concern about the appearance of our brake ducts. As was mentioned - they were prototype pictures (I figured it would get the point across, but I guess I need to get some better pics before folks get the wrong impression). Those ducts were plasma cut from thick aluminum sheet, and ground smooth with a die grinder and aluminum insert (same as porting the heads), and tig welded. I wish it could've been done with cardboard, popsicle sticks, and an X-Acto knife, as the prototypes take about 8 hours start to finish for the pair. There's also many hours of development time, which required purchasing a Faro Arm 3D digitizer & software. Unfortunately, the third-gen market is small and getting smaller every year, which makes the decision to spend hours designing new products difficult to justify.

I've debated offering a budget version that's a 3" hose nipple bolted to the spindle, but doesn't seal the rotor. It would be much less expensive, and I'd consider that if you guys would want that. Perhaps "good enough" is OK, instead of the best, but I can be a perfectionist. If there's interest for it, please let me know, and I can get something made quickly. I've seen the price of similar ducts to ours in the Porsche/BMW world another hundred or two more, for what thats worth.
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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is that silicone ducting or alum??
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Yeah, I think it's fairly obvious that the finished version would be a better version. But aside from smoothed edges and more radiused cuts what can the final offer that that prototype doesn't? And tagging this product with a $200 marker you'd think to at least take a single picture of the final shebang.

I like that you reply implies that I'm a cheap bastard and that your product requires thousand of hours of R & D that completely justifies the $200 pricetag. IMO, which obviously means nothing, if you bought 3D digitizing software to design brake ducts, you're a wasteful fool. I'm sure you had the software for other, higher dollar items and used it for this to make it easier. Don't kid anyone into thinking that you bought it for this sole project, even though your pricetag suggests.

Don't tout your over designed splashguard as a gift from the supernatural. It's a nice product but doesn't deserve a $200 pricetag.

But I supremely appreciate the time you spend on thirdgens.

EDIT: My boner, I missed the part on your page indicating it came with the actual tubing and a NACA duct. It does offset the cost a wee bit bit still doesn't justify the incredible amount.

Why use a naca duct on the airdam? Would a scoop be more beneficial? NACA ducts are for the side/top of a projectile, no? The front side would see more air (and more importantly less money) from a scoop.

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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I'd like to see pics as well.

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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Werd, well... to you original thought.
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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im new to this site and dont get here much but im a fabricator and camero NUT have two 91 one im going wild with and i gotta tell you askulte GREAT job ive been looking to do somthing similar but you took care of it for me great product great price you'll be hearing from me
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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I'm sure the kit is nice in its final form.

If you can build your own better, cheaper, do so.

Cooling/ducting brakes has zero to do with A & D and there is already a post in the proper forum.
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