Is there any truth to this terrible rumor? What will this world come to without any new F-Bodies?!?!

 

They say it will be discontinued for some time. Like the ford thunderbird it will come back with some nostalgic touch. They say production will stop after 2002 and maybe come back 2005 or 2006. To bad, hope when the camaro comes back it dont come back a front wheel drive.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

Nobody really knows........


http://web.camaross.com/cgi-bin/foru...=10&LastLogin=

 

Exactly... No one but some moron GM exec...

 

but haven't they been saying for years that they wanted to cancel the camaro??? I'm pretty sure I remember that throughout time.. hehehe.. plus if the 35th ann is coming out.. perhaps a new body style?? specially since GM is so unwilling to show it to anyone is this one going to be gen 5??? they gotta give it at least 10 years.. LOL..

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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
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The 4th gens aren't selling as well as the thirdgens did! They will be cancelling them after 2002!! Currently, GM officially announced that they are cancelling the Oldsmobile line and they will be gradually phasing these out between now and 2004!! After 2004, the Oldsmobile will be gone for good and I believe this is when GM is planning on bringing back the Firebirds and Camaros!

 

negative.
GM will not be bringing back the FIREBIRDS. they are just bringing back the CAMAROS.
i heard this from a trust worthy source! GMHTP. they decided if two cant make it now, why will they be able to then so they will cut back to ONE fbody.

and i hate to see them go. i wanted to BUY a brand new GEN 5 when i turned 21, but i guess that wont happen till i turn 25. oh well save more money for performance!


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Jarrad
1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
TH-700R4
G92- 7.5" 10 Bolt 3.23gears
Bright Red Hardtop/ Grey Custom Interior
5,507 IROC's Hardtops/Ttops; 2,415 5.7L IROC's Produced in 1990

DAILY DRIVER: 1991 S10 2.5L/5SPD WITH CAMARO RIMS

 

I'll wait until I get older for a gen 5 too.. then again I'll change my mind and find a first gen to work on and call that my baby..

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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
My site, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmj211/index.htm

 

i dunno but i heard that they will be stoping the camaros in 2002 (as a few people have said) then they will be coming back in 2004. 2003 will be strictly for camaro production designs. i heard that when the camaro comes back, they are signing off the corvette to a different GM line so that the Camaro will be the only "sports car" chevy has. my dad works at WinKelly chevrolet (used car manager) and he said that they will prolly just limit who they give the corvettes too instead, but i heard from a few people there making the corvette its own line that is part of GM. this is the first i have heard about the firebird..but it could be true! i guess well have to wait and see. but one thing is for sure..it will leave in 2002..and it will 99% chance be coming back...75% chance be coming back as the only chevy sports car, itll have to be cheaper to buy, and a lot better stock than it is now (so more people are amazed by it), and it WILL NOT BE FWD!!!!!! What would the point of re-designing to be a cheaper more effective performance car be if it was FWD?! thats just plain retarded..and not Chevys history. we did not invent the rustangs..we invented the damn F-BODYS! We will come back, and we will come back in full force.


lata

 

I don't think the f-body will be back in it's true form(RWD) but GM has a few surprizes as far performance, like a blown V6 350HP,AWD grand prix or grand am and some other such surprizes.
That old saying: "There is no replacement for displacement" is out the door. Unfortunately large V8 RWD two door cars are a thing of the past.Smaller, more efficient engines w/turbos and SCs coupled w/front and/or 4 wheel drive are what the future holds. RWD cars are unpractical in differing weather conditions but if you can get a 13 second coupe or sedan w/AWD and 30 MPG than you don't need a Camaro(as your cool car) and some 4 door sadan(as your family car).
This kind of thinking is very appealing to many people. I have a 99 lexus GS 400 as my everyday/wife's ride/family car, etc , but I always wanna have a true(RWD) muscle car to tinker with. A car that's my own. So if you wanna save the F-Body, save the one you happen to own.



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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear, Dealer:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(46), Harwood fiberglass hood,original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch.

 

didn't the same argument over the demise of the f-body happen at the end of the third generation? somebody told me that the same thing happened before, except now the sales are worse.

 

The F-body will be gone after 2002, only to come back in a redesigned form in 2004/2005. Oldsmobile's discontinued, and Corvette will now be it's own production. No longer Chevy Corvette, just Corvette. That way the flagship of GM can be the F-body. And I believe that the Firebird isn't going to be coming back , but then again, maybe the new Camaro will have the pop-up headlights and the nicer interior.

 

Oh well, at least there should be one advantage - our cars should incerase in value after the F-Body is gone.

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

 

actually FORD rustangs R US, it IS in Chevy's history to change RWD cars into FWD cars look at the monte carlo and impala!

 

Dont forget the Malibu! FWD POS!

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

 

That's BS! Sorry to say, but the Firebirds, Formulas and TA's are selling better than the Camaros, Z28's, and SS's! If GM does only bring back ONE F-body, it will be the Firebird line! But I'm guessing they will bring back both!

Personal opinion here, I think the 4th gen design sucks in comparison to the 3rd gen!

 

I love these people talking like they know whats really happening.

Truth is.........NOBODY really knows (who knows if GM even knows for sure at this point). So just wait and see..

 

I'km waiting until the Carlisle show this summer.. It's going to be Bad *** ... hopefully we'll see a new style eh?? *gets on his knees and begs.. DON'T CANCEL IT!

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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
My site, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmj211/index.htm

 

I've also read that the Corvette will soon be on it's own. However, from what I understand, the Camaro will not stay w/ chevy - it'll go with the corvette, and will be the 'entry level' corvette, and will be called the 'Camaro Corvette.'

 

I'd rather just see 2 different cars...


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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
My site, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmj211/index.htm

 

well i read by many sources that the reason the firebird wont come back was due to low sales and packages worth more than the camaros. Too bad for the firebirds thank god camaros are coming back. In my opinion i wish chevy would just leave the rear wheel drive(not all wheel drive) on the camaros, Camaros arent ready for that hight tech crap, They say the 2004 or 2005 will look alot like the 67' camaros cant wait to see it.

 

AMEN AMEN AMEN!

 

like they say, truth is, noone knows. i've heard them all, even some not here, so i will share them. i've heard quite a bit about the corvette becoming the GM corvette because it will increase it's credibility when compared to ferrari, lotus, porsche, and such if it's not just an ol chevy.

i've heard the one about the camaro coming back as some kind of FWD, either as it's own model or as a variant of another car - like the Impala SS was to the Caprice. in the same article, i believe, i read one saying that the firebird, or just the T/A, would come back as pontiac's corvette, ie. instead of pontiac's camaro.

as far as the 'camaro corvette' is concerned, i wouldn't look for that one. camaro has too much of a ******* reputation, which is somehow a bad thing ??? , and i wouldn't look for that to go on the vette.

i can't really think of many others cos i've got better things to do. but i will say what would be great sentimentally. having the camaro and firebird come back, sooner or later, still as twins and not back as marketing schemes, still ponycars, and with GM learning from the beautiful job they did on the C5 styling. i've got an '88 T/A WS6, my bro's got a '94 T/A, and my dad just got, over eater weekend, a C5. before that we had a C4, and believe me, if the shape of the f-body were given the same attention as the C5 got, from GM or aftermarket, there'd be one beautiful car out there.

speaking of the fourth gen, anybody else think it's nice from far away, but certain odd ball shapes look funny on a close look? like the oddball fenders, short hood, and for cars other than 95+ T/As, a bit of a fat *** look from behind. also, it's kind of weird that the car is pretty much the same size as mine, but feels 2 feet bigger everywhere from inside. just my gripes maybe.

 

OK, just my two cents worth here. I have nothing based in fact, so these are just my my obsevations. For years now GM has been working under what they call "Brand Management" where each division has it's own "Identity" and it produces products based on that "Identity"

Chevrolet = Joe avererage family man
Pontiac = Performance
Cadilac = Luxury
Buick & Oldsmobile = "affordable" Luxury
(hence the demise of Olds, why Olds and not buick is beyond me)
Saturn = Youth

GMC Truck has been on the edge for years, being just an upscale Chevy Truck

Under these Identities it would not suprise me to see the Corvette cut loose as it's own division. (the Vette doesn't actually fit the Joe Average persona)

I would be surprised to see the Camaro come back, and not the Firebird. Actually I think it would be more likely to see it the other way around, based on the "Brand Identity" formula.

I really hate the direction that Chevrolet has taken over the past decade, but the truth is sedans sell and coupes don't. And what sells will survive, it's always been that way. When muscle sold, it sold big. When it didn't, it was gone. You can say the EPA and Insurance companies killed the muscle car, but the truth is they just beat the energy crisis to it.

On a brighter note I have heard rumors that Caddy is in the process of re-engineering thier entire line-up back to rear wheel drive. So maybe there is hope after all. The automotive world is just one big cycle, and what goes around comes around. (I just hope we never see the return of the vinyl top)

Again none of this is based in fact just my observations and opinions. All we can really do is sit back and see what happens. Personally I prefer the cars of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. All I can do is snag a few of them, and preserve the cars I love the best I can.

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'86 Camaro SC 2.8 V6, 5spd, T-Tops
Bone Stock, except for:

(Performance)
Flowmaster cat back exhaust

(Non-Performance)
Pioneer DEH-P4000 head unit
Pioneer 6X9 Tri-Ax speakers
Jensen 8" dual voice coil sub
Blacked out tail lights and side markers (VHT
Nightshades spray tint)

(Hopefully these lists will grow quickly)

I like to think of it as a empty canvas

3

 

All I know is Camaro's and Trans Am's sell where I live, 3rd and 4th gens. I mean everywhere you look there's one. I can't believe that they would make such a drastic move.But I don't care cause I'm keeping my T/A forever and ever and ever and ever(well you get my point)

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
180 Degree Thermostat
JET Fan Switch
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment & Cat.
(Stereo)
Full Kenwood Excelon System

 

...the decision to let the f-body die off was made several years ago, and it's purely a financial one. As long as GM didn't have to put a lot of money into the platform, they were content to let it go on to keep that market share, in spite of the market dwindling and it not being a really top seller compared to the Mustang. It was probably also a GM management decision not to really push the line…hence the lack of any real advertising push for it…just let it sell enough units to justify keeping the factory open and the line moving. GMs financial and high production facility resources were being committed to the much more lucrative SUV and high-end vehicle lines…that's where the big profits were and still are. Then along came the 2003 safety mandates. The f-body platform as it exists today will not meet those standards, and the cost to bring the platform into compliance cannot be justified by its current and projected sales figures. So GM phases out the platform, and in a couple years from now brings the two cars back on new platforms. In all probability, there will be a new Camaro and a new "Firebird". They will not, however, share the same platform and components as they have since their inception. Camaro will some back as a rwd performance car, and in all probability resemble the retro 5th gen concept cars, as the retro styling is very hot right now. The Pontiac offering will probably come back in some type of roadster form. It may or may not be called the Firebird, but it will be the evolution of what today is the Firebird. Pontiac has been kicking around bringing back the GTO moniker, and knows the backlash it'll receive from enthusiasts if it brings it back as a fwd model, but keeping in line with the retro theme, if they brought back the GTO on a worthy platform it would probably be a big hit. There will probably never be a car that resembles the Camaro and Firebird as we know it today offered again by GM. It's a very old platform, using very old technology. As far as the f-body demise's affect on us enthusiasts that love the Camaro and Firebird…nothing is going to change other than the fact that we won't be able to go down to the dealer and buy a new one…we'll still be able to get parts for our cars for a long long time, and there still be used 1st thru 4th gen cars for sale in whatever condition we are able to afford. The demise of the MoPar muscle cars certainly has not detracted from their popularity, nor has it diminished the love of the car for its owners. High performance MoPars are as popular today as they ever were, and more and more are being resurrected from the boneyards and backyards with each passing day.

It's just one of those things…

…and life goes on…


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jimbo

Mosquito Coast F-Body Association (MCFBA)

1991 Formula SLP350
1999 Trans Am Firehawk

 

Ok let the flamming commence. I personally will buy the baddest fourth gen I can get my hands on when I get the greenbacks, but as for any other GM cars they can shove it. Is it just me or are all the FWD GM cars crap?
I would rather drive an import than buy a FWD GM car and have to drop big bucks into it to make it perform. I know that GM makes some good FWD cars but compared to a new F-Body they don't cut it for me. If GM cancels the F-Bodys than my first brand new off the lot sports car will be a top of the line mustang or a bmw or something along those lines, not a FWD camaro wanna be or a family car disguised as a sports car.

 

Look--NOBODY knows for sure what's going to happen--there was a lot of hype that F-Cars were going away before the 4th gens came out.

As for the Firebird thing--if the Camaro should return, it only makes sense that the Firebird come back too, as it shares parts with the Camaro, therefore relieving production costs for both cars--that's just good logic. Also, it is RUMORED that the new CamBirds would share the chassis with other divisions and platforms to further offset costs.

If it doesn't come back that's gonna suck, but I guess I'll just buy a Z06 instead of a new Camaro eventually...

 

Well its true like u said "No one know whats gonna happen" but u like to think what might happen. Im sure everyone remembers when the mustang was gonna stop being produced and become the ford probe. Who knows maybe chevy wont discontinue the camaro/firebird. We'll just have to see next year

 

You guys GM already released a statement saying that they have no intentions of making the Corvette its own brand name.

 

Statements don't mean jack squat!! GM can release statement after statement and then turn around and do exactly what they said they WEREN'T going to do! It's just a "statment", NOT a legal document!!

Personally, when I finish the engine project on my '86 TA I will be look for an early 90's model MUSTANG GT to work on!! Gotta own the best of both worlds!!

 

I would just like to say that I hope the doomed Oldsmobile Alero comes back as the Chevy Beretta.

Thank you very much. I love you all.

 

Nobody knows. Hell, everybody thought GM would offer the LS6 in the 2002 SS's & WS6's, but instead what did they give us....yellow with black rims and some black graphics on they're "collectors edition" Trans-Am. Wooo Hoooo! Excites me just about as much as the stripes and badge "heritage package" did in 92. I don't think they're even doing anything for the SS's either. So this just goes to prove that you can't believe what GM says their gonna do...just wait until they do what ever and hope it isn't the straw that breaks the camels back turning you into another ford desciple.

 

unless the F-Body comes back with a strong resto look I will not buy another F-Body past the 92 year...

 

personally i think all you people who hate the fourth gens, nedd to drive one! they are so beefy. some guy was doin 12.8 in new jersy in his bone stock 2001 WS6 TA. not even a K&N. hell corvette is barely faster than that. (i do like the vettes more but then im a corvette guy)
the interiors are great, (besides the squeaky placstic stuff, that our cars have 3 times as much as) and does no one else think that a new TA, ws6 or not, is a head turning beast?
there the only cars still on the road that actually look beefy. not fast, but beefy. Muscular ya know? the kinda car where it wouldnt shock you to see flames shoot out of the exaust tips...
i like some imports too but how do they make the car look aggressive? body kits. Camaros and even V6 firbirds look, and are, amazingly aggressive for thier cost. if they do kill the f-body and bring back a FWD turbo or blown V6, ill never buy GM again. (unless the V6 is done but the guys who did the Turbo TA, cyclone and typhoon) i would probably sneek an evolution V into the usa (there illegal) and ride in that.

i would rather drive a japaneese import than an american import.
and about poor sales, i dont think thier talking about the US. my boss is from greece and he informed me that there is hardly and american cars in Europe. GM wants something they can sell in europe. and in general europeans like fast revving small displacement v12s and and cars that wine as they drive not ones that pound the ground. (boom boom boom goes the exaust)

all i know is one day i will own a 98-02 WS6 TA, my '79 corvette, and maybe still have my 85 TA, but its bein a bad kid right now so i may stick it in time out.

 

I have test driven a 93 Z28, a 96 Z28 and a 95 TA and they were all great cars. Even with 100,000 miles on them. Don't get me wrong, I love third gens, but I also have a 79 camaro and I enjoy it just as much.

As far as sales in Europe, I lived in Germany for three years and hardly ever saw anything from GM. Except for opel, which I believe is a GM brand, but I could be wrong. But to tell the truth if I had a choice between most GM cars and the cars I saw in Germany it would be no contest. I had an 86 BMW 325i and it was one of the best cars I've ever driven. 130+ miles an hour on the autobahn in a car that's all factory with 150,000 miles and the engine isn't even working hard, yea I would take a malibu or impala over that.

[This message has been edited by 91DropTopTA (edited May 10, 2001).]

 

to reply about why some people don't like the fourth gen, i'll put in my $.02 on why i don't like them as much as my '88.

like i said, i've got a thirdgen T/A WS6. my brother got a '94 T/A just over a year ago. i was home on spring break and it needed a little alarm disconnection, radio/antenna work, and stuff like that so i got to drive it around for a good bit of time. no doubt when one's just rolling down the road that they look 20 times more agressive than the thirdgen, even the '94's without the new front end or high wing. however i never did like the overall feel of the car. i like the way the interior looks, but i just never liked the way the car felt in general. the glass goes forever and the hood drops short and quick. the whole thing felt too wide and long. also, it wasn't as sharp handling as mine but i'm sure that's more because it was running on old P235 Eagle GA's while mine's running P245/50 potenza RE910's and his is a base T/A suspension where mine's a WS6 setup. i've looked under them both and the anti-roll bars on mine put his to shame. i don't like the way the power goes down, under 2k rpm the thing felt like a total wuss even compared to my 305 cos mine's a TPI. but yes, i know the thing absolutely demolishes mine at full tilt, he can walk straight away from me no problem. around town though, how often do i run it that high up is my thing.

and like i said, i like the way the things look rolling down the road. but i just can't get over the goofy fenders or the weird look from behind on the ones with the low wing.

it's all up to what you like though, so i'm glad we've got both and i hope we'll have another great car come out someday 8-)`

 

Whats this non sense about v8s and rwd are outdated? I guess C5,viper, ferrari, lambo and the list goes on should all pull thos V8 and V10 and V12 and stuff a high strong engine with no torque in there, a 4 banger prefably? AWD would be cool but its not cheap and they break with lots of power. Look BMW put there first V8 in a M5 and its crazy fast and 70k I don't depise imports like some but when i hear a comment like that(top of post) it makes me wonder. I heard from a salesman the vette will become its own brand and they will just bring back the camaro but who knows.

 

I may be on crack, but are you saying the lambo is rear wheel drive of just v12?? I think it's me on crack though.. damn 2 finals in one day.. It's ruining my life.. Incase you did mean lambo's are rear.. they are awd... if not.. My appologies..


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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
My site, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmj211/index.htm

 

some lambos are awd but not all of them and finals week is killing me to i can think anymore. I just meant that most serious road cars are rwd including the mclearn f1

 

Ahh ok.. Try a sobe Adrenaline Rush.. it's a good drink.. keeps your mind CRAZY!!

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92 Rs Heritage Edition Camaro
305
3.27 posi Rear end
Flow masters
not to much else to make it more than stock until I put that 350 in shortly

IM: DarkHal 2000
Feel free to join my Webring listed on my web page (X-treme Fbody). I'm always looking for third gen's to add.
My site, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmj211/index.htm

[This message has been edited by Red Demon (edited April 30, 2001).]