Well, my amps just went into thermal protection today at lunch even though I had it at VERY low volumes (I was taking a nap). I refuse to tint that hatch because it makes a bloody mess, so the only choice I see is a louver. My buddy has one on his 86 that fits beautifully. The blades are very thin like the aluminum louvers, but it's actually a plastic piece. He doesn't know what kind it is though, and there's nothing on it to identify it. For those of you that have louvers, what brand do you have, and what are the "fins" like? I want one with the thin fins, but plastic, not aluminum. Thanks.

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yo just have someone tint the hatch, it looks way cleaner than louvers and is not a mess at all as long as u HAVE someone do it. check sig and see my tinted windows.....

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4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
305 TPI
power antenna and mirrors
t tops

I took off the original equipment louvers on my '92 and they are the plastic kind you are referring to. I'll sell them to you for $20 + shipping if you're interested.

If that includes all necesary mounting hardware, you have a deal.


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must I say that the louvers are ugly as sin and went out in the 80's....

Jim, just a little reminder, the 91-92 louvers have a hole cut out for the 3rd brakelight. If that's not a problem for you, go for it

the way I think of it is that they were made for the 80's cars, and they dont' look out of place on an 80's car, in fact, I think they give it a more agressive muscle car look than tinted windows(not that tinted windows don't look bad A*§§). But hey, to each their own

Damn. I think I'll have to pass. Sorry dude.


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I have the louvers from my '84, I took them off a long time ago, heh.. but they are the kind with aluminum fins, and plastic sides. Kinda weird.

I mainly hate them because, of course, they're ugly.. and they also rattle like a bitch, which would especially suck with subs in the hatch.

Anyway, I'd let you have the damn thing if you wanna pay shipping.. but I doubt you want them.

They have emblems that say "Cragar" on them, by the way. So I guess Cragar made louvers for F-bodies, too?

Those cragar ones are sposed to be decent. Are they the style that is continuous all the way across, or the ones that have the louvered middle section and the goofy sides?

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It's continuous all the way across, I believe.

(the louvers curve with the hatch glass)

[This message has been edited by Jeremy_84_F41 (edited July 10, 2001).]

If they are the continuous style, then I'll take them! When I get home tonight I'll email you to work out details. Thanks a lot!

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Hopefully shipping isn't too difficult/expensive.. these things are kinda big.

Just got to throw in my two cents worth here. Louvers On a thirdgen f-body rank just below a bra (which, by the way, is number one) on my "sins never to inflict" list. As far as "louvers going out in the 80's", there was a reason for that, it's called window tint. Nothing looks better than well applied window tint. I usually agree with you on things Jim85IROC, but this time we're on opposite sides of the fence. I guess that's what makes us all individuals though.

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Mods:

(Performance)
Flowmaster cat back exhaust

(Non-Performance)
Pioneer DEH-P4000 CD receiver head unit
Pioneer 6X9 Tri-Ax speakers
Jensen 8" dual voice coil sub
Blacked out tail lights and side markers (VHT
Nightshades spray tint)

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Jim,

Don't let these irrational comments about louvers discourage you Hell, 6X9 Tri-Ax speakers went out in the 80's too but I guess some people cant let go ! I guess I'm a little biased but take a look at my ride, as far as ugly, everyone is a critic!

Flame on

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People can bitch about louvers all they want, but I'll never, ever, call anything rice if it was a STOCK OPTION (with an RPO code and everything). I like how my car looks without the louver, but my amps are paying the price, and tint on the rear hatch sucks. I've been through it. The seams look like ****, and the tint doesn't stick to the border of the window, so it starts to come off and looks like hell. Then when it turns purple down the road, you've got a cluster f()ck on your hands when you try to remove it. No thanks. I'll just throw the louver on there and be done. No more prying eyes knowing that I've got stereo equipment and no more overheated amplifiers.

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hope it dont sound like *** when your louvers are all rattling and fuzzing...

There were louvers on my car when I bought it. These things made a mess out of my car. I had the Cragers like they were talking about above. The clips on the side rubbed the paint off the top of my fenders and around the inside edge of the hatch causing rust to form on my car. They did rattle (probably because 1 hinge and 3 clips were broke). They also left round marks on my back window where the pedistals sit. These marks have still not comepletely gone away after 3 years. I had my rear window professionally tinted 3 years ago and it still looks great, and it has a lifetime warranty. I'm not going to say don't put them on your car, but this is just something you should think about.

Jim,

This debate will go on forever and like 4th gen seats in a 3rd gen ride, it will perpetuate. Sounds like a few had bad experiences with the aftermarket aplications. I can say this, RPO DE1 : SUNSHADE, BACK WINDOW has prevented uv damage (ever see the tops of the rear seats all messed up?) and like you say provides tons of privacy. 85's dont have the rear 3rd brakelight which is nice.




Good Luck !

Don

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Well, I personally don't like louvers, it completely depends on the car, and can I say, those louvers look badass on that T/A.

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Ram Air II Hood
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Edelbrock Open Element
MacEwen White Faced Guages

"Stock?! Theres nothing "stock" about a stock car."

Perhaps you could just install the privacy shade or whatever they called it that you can pull over everything in the back??

Maybe that won't work with the space your junk takes up, just an idea. I hate those god awful louvers too, but hey if you need em you need em...

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you dumba$$es talking about louvers going out in the 80s, if that's the case, why should we still drive our cars. After all, they're 80s too. No one asked you if you thought they were ugly. Get a life and quit dissin on other people's tastes.

Ray, I thought about the privacy shade, but from what I've seen, it's going to be a lot of work to retrofit the equipment into my 85. I haven't examined the shade mount in my 88 in great detail yet, but my initial impression was that I would need more than just the shade and the sail plastic. I may look into this though, because the more I stare at my car, the less I like the idea of a louver. But, my friend has one on his 86 TA and I really like it.

Jeremy, does that louver you have look like the one on 85 WS6 TA's car? That's exactly the style I'm looking for. Thanks.

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Bulldog92,

Do you still have the orginal factory louvers from the 92?

If so, I am interested.

Does it contain all the accesories that came with the louveres, hinges, etc?

How is the paint on the louvere?

Can you send me some pics my way at mlduarte@earthlink.net

Also, can you find out the cheapest shipping to 78660.

As for the louveres, I have always wanted an original factory one. I like them and walways preferred them over the tinting.

Just my $.02!!!

Manny

92 z28, 350 and 46k miles!!!

topduarte,

Yeah, I've still got 'em. I'll have to take a look at the hardware for them this weekend when we go to my wife's parents' house. Her Dad and I both took our factory louvers off, so there are two sets. I think they are both in good condition. I'll try to remember to bring my digital camera so you can see what they look like. I should be able to get back to you by Monday or so.

Bulldog92,

Thanks and keep me posted!!!

Manny

I have to agree that camaro_hunter_d is just a PITA.

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Yep, exactly the same.

Like that guy said above, though, I think one of the clips is broken on one side, so you're going to have to figure out a way to not let it scrape your paint.. I don't see why they're needed anyway, as the hinges on top hold it on, along with the weight of the louver, and the pedastal things it sits on..

bulldog92 im intrested in buying the seconf set of louvers i have a 91 rs doesnt really matter if the hardware isnt ther (it is a plus though) id just have ot find a way to ******-rig it zip code is going to be 32578 if you could post pics of them that would be great

oh wait hang on, how far is where you live in AL from the florida/alabama line? if its not far i might not have to pay for shipping.....unles it would be cheaper than gas......hahahaha also will it be the same price for you g/f's dads louvers?

Well guess what this P I T A will always say what he thinks too!. And that goes for these ugly *ss louvers. I have seen louvers on countless 3rd gens... And you know what that T/A up there makes 3 that they actually looked good on. Actually they only look good on the T/A's, now that I think of it.. they were all 'Birds...
I have seen tint that was close to 4 or 5 years old and it still looked good. But hey you want to make your car look like *ss go for it. Have you ever heard of installing fans to cool the amps???? Some good 5 CFM computer fans will work great. Build a lexan/ acrylic enclosure(assuming you can) and mount the fans on one side... Keep the amps cool and not have to stup to louvers or tint... But hey what does this PITA know right????

Thanks for the compliments guys

Don

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Fans! Why didn't I think of that!

If it's 200 degrees in the back of the car, all fans will do is move 200 degree air around. They'll help, and I've got them, but I still need it cooler back there plain and simple.

And I don't give a rat's *** whether you like how they look or not. I never asked for opinions on how they looked. I know exactly how they look which is why until now, there haven't been any on my car, but tint seams SUCK and to be honest I just don't want tint on the window. It's too hard to see out of and unless it's 5%, people can still see in your car. I'm not putting this louver on for it's style, I'm putting it on for it's functionality. I'm sure your Profile amps don't make enough heat to matter, but my Kicker amps got so hot that I put a welt on my finger from touching them. The surface was well in excess of 200 degrees. I'm not grenading $1100 worth of amps just so I can stay louver-less.



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buddman:

I guess both sets would be the same price; I think that my father-in-law mainly wants to get them out of his storage room. I'll end up giving him whatever we make on the things 'cause he's been cool enough to hold them all this time. I'll talk to him about it this weekend and I'll post any new info/pics then.

i think fairhope is near mobile right? if so i could probably drive up there in my dads truck and pick them up......

To all the guys with the louvers, do you remove them everytime you wash your car? I was thinking mostly in terms of water spots on your rear window, windexing it, etc...

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Omar,

The factory version uses two hinges on the top, there are also 6 hold-down points, 4 on the sides and two more on the back. I use an allen wrench to release it and it swings up and is held up by 2 swing down legs. This makes it easy to clean. I coated the back window with rain-x so I dont have to clean it so often.

Don

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Well if the interior of your car is 200 deg. you have some other problems you have to deal with. Now if your car is like the numerous other 3rd grns and yes it gets a little warm back there but NOT 200 DEGREES... and remember that all the air inside the cabin circulates around the hatch from one side to another, Hense kinda like a mini jet stream. This keps the air in tha hatch area generally the same temp as the air in the front of the car. Now if you take into account that 10 CFM(from both fans) will not only create close to a 15 degree cooler breeze, but that equates to roughly 15 degrees below the temp inside the car...

And my opinion of the way louvers look in not important as we both agree, but if your subs hit it WILL RATTLE THE HELL OUTTA THE LOUVER. Eventually it will also wear those handy little rubber mounts through the paint and then you have to start dealing with rust spots. And with the regular wind shift wears through in what seems like no time at all now imagine with a sub???
It seems in the your vast majority of audio expertise that these things seemed to elude you. I have seen many a bad hatch created by these louvers that you are so fond of. I have even seen a strong wind pick them up while the car was parked and slam it down breaking the hatch glass(or even worse rip it off and break the set of T tops(theres 150 bucks easy)... Now that is something you have not thought of happening either huh?... But hey you just go ruin your hatch ok... I'm done tring to get you to see what can and will happen to your hatch just because you do not like tint...

hey Jimbo, it took a total of 5 minutes to put a rollup cargo shade in my 83. Icq me and I'll give you the details.

200 degrees? Maybe not. Hotter than my amps can take? Yes. Fans WILL NOT ever, ever, ever make the temp 15 degrees below the ambient temperature. It's not possible. Don't try to outsmart me on this topic because you're not going to. I designed and installed passive and active heat exchangers into large injection molding machines, so I know plenty about the subject. Plain and simple, fans will not bring the temperature below the ambient temperature of the interior. You need an active heat exchanger in order to go below ambient temperature.

My buddy has a cragar (I think) louver on his car that's been there for many years. It has yet to scratch his paint or his glass. It's also not hard to make them stop rattling.

Hunter, I appreciate people's opinions (even yours) but I don't need a pissing match. It seems that you are hell bent on disagreeing with me just for the sake of the challenge. I'm not interrested in that dude.

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God whenever i see a thirdgen with louvers, i want to shoot the dam *******.....

Oh for Christ's sake!

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I think im speaking for the masses here in saying that

It's there car, let them do what they want to it. Louvers look decent. If you think that louvers will make his car look like $h*t then that will be one less car that looks better than yours. If you can't offer this guy help or support, shut up and know your role.

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Can we all get along????

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Rice!
lol

wow! what an original way of dissing some thing.....

has everyone seen jims car?
IT BEAUTIFUL the louvers wont make that much of a difference. its just like the discussion we had on whether or not i should put the door ding guards on my car, well i didnt do it, but anyways, they are there for a function not for looks so dont judge them, and jim if you are for any reason thinking of not doing louvers go ahead and take the few minutes to get the privacy shade, i bought one for my car, (i already had the mountings though so) but i no longer worry about my amp, its actually cooler and no one can see in my back window, and i can see the cars behind me at night.

i am also a person that hates tint because of the lines and it just looks bad if it gets messed up at all, so i am with you, i also thought about louvers, but i found the deal on the privacy shade and bammm. it solved my problems.

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Rofl, bring it ! But remeber this, I return fire !

Don

1911 custom .45
44mg 7-1/2 barrel
9mm stainless, 32 rnd
dbl brl scatter gun ! yee haw

haha, well i was jus joking around anyways

i personally dont think you can rice a camaro anyways, i always considered them to be the hondas and ****, ***** or ricerocket i dont give a **** which it is...

if you put a big wing and stickers on your camaro, well, u can call him rice, ill call him a ****in retard...