http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/09/25/companies/camaro/

 

A relief, but who said the SUV was popular. There good for rolling over and copying minivans and cars, and they're not doing a good job of it! I feel way safer in a Dodge Caravan than in a Ford Exploder!!! And I feel cooler in a Chevy Camaro than in an Ford Exploder. Point proven, they're good for nothin!!!

 

Not only are SUV's made for soccer moms but there gas guzzlers, even the most compatible motor on an SUV wastes more gas than the illustrias LS1, Too many ***s buying SUV's and less Sports car such as the camaro, how sad

 

Of course it's just on hiatus. Eventually they'll start losing money on SUV's.. ..

 

SUVs are just a fad. It used to be minivans. Who knows what it will be next. Who cares, as long as the f-body lives.

Long Live the F-body. Let me here ya sing it...

 

Hey, it used to be woodie wagons

 

Can't argue with a woodie...

 

Ok guys somebody at GM had better pull their heads out of the sand. They can't figure out why trucks are so popular and why they can't sell cars anymore. How is this for a answer - Styling, RWD !!!, V8 !!!, possible stick. Their is nothing wrong with the current Camaro, at least with the formula, they just need to redesign. While they are at it bring back our Impala, Monte Carlo, Chevelle and Nova. Not the current lot that is a joke in my opinion. I have owned one fwd V-6, a 96 GT Grand Am. Never ever again. If they will not build what we want we will all be driving trucks and our old cars, which isn't all that bad I guess.

Thanks guys just had to vent .....

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1992 Z/28 305 TPI Auto
Bone Stock but not 4 long

 

Here is my $.02 on this:

We own both a 01 Suburban and a 92 Z28. We commute together to work 4 days a week and one day in the camaro.

I have never owned a Suburban before this one and we love it. Yeah, it guzzles gas but we feel more safer in the Suburban than in Z.

We have 2 kids (2 and 4) and they love both vehicles. They both like the roar of the z and the comfort of the Suburban

The reason we got the Suburban is that we make a lot of cross state trips and people who have kids, you know how much stuff you have to pack for them. Yeah, it might have been a fad that also influenced us in getting one but what the hell, have a big vehicle that guzzles the gas and have all the comfort!!

By the way, I have owned 5 cars in my life and all have been camaros!!! I will always have at least one or 2 camaros in my garage and my wife knows that!!!

As for the hiatus, the camaro will be back in 2004 or 2005, this is just my $.02!!!

Manny

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92 Bright Red z28, 350, 47k miles, pw, pl, power mirrors, power drivers seat, rear defroster, limited slip performance axle, 4 wheel discs, red leather interior and the Heritage Package!!

 

I saw this opportunity as a time to make some simple, yet to-the-point desktop wallpapers. Hope you all enjoy.

Camaro
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...a-cam-1024.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...ra-cam-800.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...ra-cam-640.jpg

Firebird
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...-bird-1024.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...a-bird-800.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...a-bird-640.jpg

F-Body
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh...era-f-1024.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh.../era-f-800.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~usaaf/photosh.../era-f-640.jpg

I say "The End Of An Era" because while GM may revive the F-Body in a few years, I doubt that it will ever be like it is (or was). They'll probably turn it into some kind of FWD sedan. After all, look at what happened to the Impala and the Malibu. Let's just hope that I'm wrong...

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1986 Camaro IROC-Z
Code 23 Paint ("IROC Blue")
305 TPI
B&M Megashifter
Grant GT Steering Wheel
New A/C Motor!

View my website, a work-in-progress

 

well guys i just sold my camaro for a JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE. i needed something that will haul me through the snow on the 3hr drive home every month from college for my reserve meetings for the army. and the IROC just wants going to be put out in the snow and it definately wasnt going on no 3hr trip on 65mph icy highways.
i will get more camaros dont get me wrong. but right now. SUV all the way.

its also a sorry day for me to see the IROC leave. it goes tomorrow. it will be missed and it will be replaced in due time.

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Jarrad
United States ARMY Military Police Officer 339th Division


formerly owned:
1990 IROC-Z L98

 

I have been driving my 86 Trans Am DAILY since the 11th grade, and will contiune to do so. I dont care for or desire an SUV. I am sure alot of people feel the same way....I hope GM one day brings the Fbody back...because there will be people that will refuse to "join in the fad"...and i am one of them.

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
180 Degree Thermo
Manual Fan Switch
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

I think I am going to cry......

 

We all knew the end was near.
I blame the insurance companies more than anything else, they gouge at the dreams of many middle class young people when it comes to f-body's. I remember that I could never afford one when I was younger due to the insurance rates.

My prediction for the 5th generation is an all wheel drive model that doesn't sit down quite so low. I hope a massive V8 will never be replaced by some turbo thingy. I wonder if they will price the same as Corvettes, and how they will effect it.

I can't help but wonder what you guys think...

 

...I think the end is near. That's what I think. Camaro--done. Firechicken--done. OLDSMOBILE!?!--DONE! American icons, one and all. The end of an era? Absolutely. Look at the new T-Bird. Who is Ford selling those to? It's just as much of a puss now as it was when it came out in the 50s. When the F-bod finally does reappear who knows what ugly-stick-beaten face it will bear? Front drive V6 (Impala)... Subcompact 4-banger(Nova)... 4WD Sport Utility Wagon that gets outsold by Subarus? Or perhaps it will replace the Sierra as America's favorite fullsize truck. Duck and cover my friends, the sky IS falling.

Long live the F-Body.
#3

 

I think that chevy is crazey for droping the f-body they dont no what they are doing camaro made chevy its like bitting the hand that feeds you i hate to say it but i think that chevy is going down hill you guys say good bye to camaro but i say good bye to a chevy error!

What a error it was!!!!!!

 

yeah... its kinda bull how theyr discontinuing the camaro for now..... its almost like chevy discontinuing the corvette (witch they will prolly never get rid of)

and your right.... the next gen camaros will proly not look anywhere as good as the ones in the past years.... maybe they just took a look at the current trends in styling and descided not to do that to our cars?! who knows.... i like the performance of the new camaros, but not the styling... though the t/a's look f*cking hostile!

anyways, their always a up side to every bad thing that happenes... eventually..... i dont know.... but 2003 will be a sad year, without any new f-bodys on the showroom floor.

anyways, later

jon

 

I have seen an AWD Grand Prix that had an LS1 in it. This was a prototype car but imagine if the F-Body came back as something like that. Maybe something like the Grand Prix/Regal chassis with a Grand National turbo motor (remember the 89 Turbo T/A). Just remember, not all changes are bad. I sure hope something good comes from this because the list of American sports cars is getting short.

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88 IROC convertible
-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

You would think that John Moss would be able to keep this from happenning. I wonder if anyone knows how to e-mail or personal reach him. Our beautiful Chevys and Pontiac cars are all gone. The Vette is better than ever, but some of us need a back seat.

I hope they bring it back and they don't ruin it!

 

The only time GM listened 2 Jon Moss was with the Impala SS (94-96). And they didn't even keep it production 4 long. That car was very popular! I don't understand their thinking at all.
I got pretty aggrevated when I read the latest issue of GMHTP. The Australian Commodore SS and the Middle Eastern Lumina SS would sell like crazy over here! 325HP LS1, 6 speed, IRS. What the hell is wrong with them?! Trucks r cool but they r not all that. GM should be far more advanced than they r now. They need 2 stop playing games.
Answer me this... why would GM come out with the LS1 which is a great motor than a year later come out with the LS6? Couldn't they have just made the LS6 from the start? I mean with all there technology especially in racing (18 degree heads), didn't they know the heads could've been improved? Or why not have just introduced the LS1 4 the FBodies and the LS6 4 the Corvette. I know $$$ making is involved but damn! The Vette could easily be made 2 top the Viper from the factory, which they r already having troubles beating the ZO6 . And that would give much room 4 the FBodies. Their thinking and marketing is all screwed up!

 

Good... now maybe I won't have to buy a 2003 Mustang Cobra.

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thats what u get for puttin the plant in PQ..the end of the Camaro. [by the way i am Canadian..and my Canada doesnt include quebec]..

 

"Australian Commodore SS and the Middle Eastern Lumina SS would sell like crazy over here! 325HP LS1, 6 speed, IRS."

I couldn't find details or pictures of these cars on the internet. Any links? I'd never even heard of them, allthough I still have my old Commodore 64 computer.

 

the car company is called Holden, they are the australian equivalent of gm. The el camino is still in production over there, and the above mentioned cars are very nice indeed. One complaint that is always mentioned about f-bods is that for the size of the car, there really isn't an excuse for the lack of seating, the awful design of the "trunk", and other small complaints. I don't care though. I like my Formula I blame it on GM, who forgot how to make good cars. Remember the phrase "If only everything was a dependable as a Chevy?"..HA! I think Ford and GM are way too lax about the competition. This is how Honda and Toyota got here in the first place.

 

I hate to say it guys, but maybe this is what they needed to do...That is, if they don't disgrace the car by making FWD, compact. I hope when they bring it back, though, it will have been through a lot of R & D, and hopefully they will have corrected all the shortcomings of the F body since 82, like the weak A$$ 7.5 rearend and no provision for dual exhaust. I wish they would go for a full frame design like the 'Vette, but since we know that won't happen, I hope that they would incorporate a stiffer unibody chassis, with at least a removable front subframe like earlier Gen F bodys, I mean the even a Ford Taurus has that!?! And lastly, and probably most important to the masses, make it a breathtaking car to look at. I mean 3rd Gens were and still are some of the best looking cars ever, but since the '93 the Camaro has looked like a fat Geo Metro, later versions looked like Chrysler Sebrings. The 93-97 WS6 Trans Am was the best looking 4th Gen IMO, and I like the 98-up although I think the dual flip-up headlights, and that overly HUGE Ram Air hood is just too much. F-bodys since '93 are no longer sleek, sporty looking cars. They sit up too high stock, and basically are just too balky looking, which is why until GM does better than what they have for 10 yers, I'll stick to my 3rd Gens. If they come out with a car I approve of, I will probably buy one, but you can rest assured that there will ALWAYS be a couple of 3rd Gens out there in the garage growling at whatever I may buy

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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads 72 cc Comb. Chambers, Comp custom grind Hyd roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 830 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET:11.60 @ 114.56, w/ a 7.34 1/8 @ 93.50, and a 1.622 60'


89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock

Bassett Racing




[This message has been edited by Basett_Racing (edited September 26, 2001).]

 

I thought you might like this.



If you can't see it go

http://photos.yahoo.com/fiream

click "Fbody"
Then click "R.I.P."

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Chevy 2.8L 60° V6
Mods:
?K&N Filter Lid
?87 Formula Hood
?Bosch Platinum +4
?Hi-Flo CatCo CAT
?Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler
?83 Trans Am 15x7 Turbo Fin Wheels
?B.F.Goodrich Radial T/A 225/60-15
?Chevy 2.8L Heddman Headers (Going on soon)

Aol instant messenger: FIREAM

http://www.geocities.com/fiream/Robs...l?994187591828

 

holy crap. When I clicked on those I swear to *** that a tear came to my eye.

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I WOULD RATHER PUSH A CAMARO THAN DRIVE AN IMPORT

1983Z28 350w/ edelbrock performer RPM power package , dynomax shorty headers, 700R-4 with shift kit, 750cfm carb, edelbrock 3" exhaust system, 16" IROC rims and ASCD SS hood.

future mods:
completely done over suspension, black paint with flames,
T-56 almost ready to go in, TPI swap coming up

Wifes new car:

95Z28, AT, leather, T-tops bone stock for now.

future mods:
header to tailpipe replacement and a cold air intake. Then I am just going to leave it alone

 

What diid you think of mine


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Chevy 2.8L 60° V6
Mods:
?K&N Filter Lid
?87 Formula Hood
?Bosch Platinum +4
?Hi-Flo CatCo CAT
?Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler
?83 Trans Am 15x7 Turbo Fin Wheels
?B.F.Goodrich Radial T/A 225/60-15
?Chevy 2.8L Heddman Headers (Going on soon)

Aol instant messenger: FIREAM

http://www.geocities.com/fiream/RobsCarArtPa.html?994187591828

 

Go pick up the november Chevy High Performance. They talk about the 2004 CAMARO, looks like it should be cool, all they have so far are artists drawings. Good read they have some other good articles in this months issue.

 

Basset_Racing,

I totally agree with you. GM needs to look at their styling and enginnering depts. The cars are either ugly or just blah. We want strong cars, V8's, choice of trannys, RWD, trunks, true duals...

aah the good old days, the old cars are dissapearing at a alarming rate rust, wrecks,
stupid people, and stupid laws.

They blame CAFE for some of this but look at these trucks. What is wrong with this picture. I have two trucks and two cars. I need the trucks as I have a lawn company. But I prefer to drive a muscle/sports car and yes I do think that Camaros are supposed to be both. I want GM to gat back to their roots Fast, Good Handling and Beautiful cars that we are proud to drive.

Venting again....

By the way I am new to this posting messages, how long am I a junior member?

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1992 Z/28 305 Purple Haze

 

Man, i don't remember where but i saw a sketch of a camaro... it looked remarkably like a 3rd gen... but it was more rounded off... like the new styling.... it was sweeeet lookin... can you imagine a new camaro with a ls1 or 6 or something, that was styled after our babies... that is tha sh*t... anyway.. has anyone seen this pic? if so... point us all in the right direction if ya can...

*just my moment*

 

yeah it's in the november issue of CHP, It looks damn good and from the sounds of it it could have a Frame, imagine, ls6 third gen updated styling and not as much body twist. I think I'll start saving my money now.

 

If one is to go with Road & Track's impression of the 5th generation Camaro, you gotta admit it's one butt ugly POS. For all the technology packed into it, it will never sell if it doesn't have sporty styling. I wonder where Chevrolet gets off saying that a truck-like front end looks good on an F-body. GM seriously needs to pull its head out of its rear end and realize it's not the car that's to blame. It's there marketing along with a multitude of internal factors.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Freshly converted to 5 speed
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Throttle body bypass
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 13 year-old car would be too slow.

 

What can be said, 2 of the worlds best Muscle cars are being discontinued, or "hiatus" as GM calls it. It's like ripping a part of america away from people, To me Camaro/Firebird lables are like sacred heritage. As an owner of a camaro (91 Z28) i feel a sense of pride in my car, always have, always will. But for GM to sort of "give up" so to speak is unacceptable. Firstly GM has abused the heriatage of the company for a long time now for instance the "SS" name sake. I cant believe that they changed the Monte Carlo to a FWD let alone put an SS badge on it. Among other cars that got a SS badge are the 90's pickup with the optional 454 engine and the new S10's..... ITS A 4 CYLINDER TRUCK !! for cryin out loud, not a muscle car. What a waste of a wonderful namesake just for the sake of selling a few more trucks. Hell the X-treme lineup kicks butt, why make a mid priced 4cyl. truck with an SS badge on it ? Secondly GM has never "kept up with the times" so to speak. I mean just about every car/truck they made has no redeemable body changes from year to year. For instance mid 80's early 90's Blazer/Jimmy and S-10/S-15 lineup, the 82-92 camaro (minor modifications) 93-02 camaro (headlight modification/interior) Cavalier lineups suffered heavily through the early 90's as well. I mean GM didnt change the body stlye for 10 years... a DECADE !! It seems as if GM's idea of updating the vehicle is changing the grill or front facia, not actually improving upon anything but paint schemes. I am disapointed in the loss of the Camaro/Firebird lineup, but even more so with General Motors. I do understand the SUV market, hell there selling like hot cakes, even with rising gas prices, without profit, no product.... that unfortunatly is how it goes, I understand the system, but my quarrel isint with the loss of the Camaro/Firebird, its with GM's loss of passion they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's. It just seems like they've givin up on selling/making a quality product. The giant ontop the mountain has been pushed over by the Ford/Japaneese market, and GM didnt even try to fight a courageous battle, just went quietly into the night, and gave up....... What a shame, a namesake so powerful, that became so weak, well at least they had some shining moments........

 

I think that all you guys that are worried about what kind of platform the camaro will be on are dead right. But I think Chevy will make a car that the majority of consumers want or whatever the trend is (AWD, smaller engines with forced induction) is what they are going to make. SO i just say bombard the consumer department at Chevy with mail to leave it a big v-8 with RWD and a style that looks like a camaro should- a third gen!

 

I think that all you guys that are worried about what kind of platform the camaro will be on are dead right. But I think Chevy will make a car that the majority of consumers want or whatever the trend is (AWD, smaller engines with forced induction) is what they are going to make. SO i just say bombard the consumer department at Chevy with mail to leave it a big v-8 with RWD and a style that looks like a camaro should- a third gen!

 

You guys see the latest issue of chevy high performance? The pics they have what very well may be the 2004 (possibly 2005) camaro will look like...The drawings are a bit cartoony and dramatic. If it is the fith generation, count me as one of the first to get one. er I just caught up reading a little, glad everyone likes it and yes, a z28 with an ls6 upgrade? ****

 

I hope they bring it back and maybe they can make things simpler. They don't need a lot of facy stuff because it is just an entry level car......make the stupid thing go and handle. Like the rest of you said, it has to be a little more used friendly. I think for it to really take off, it has to be designed around the mustang idea. They can build base models and that lets them build awesome ones too.

Someone has to bitch slap the American engineers. They have to start making a reliable product. Chev is going down the tubes, right with ford and dodge. I own a japanese car for a reason. I would rather drive a domestic but they ride terrible and the build quality sucks!!!!! Start making things last and sales will get better!

 

Guys....you know that the Fuc#heads at GM are going to bring the two cars back as 4 cylinder front drives. They have a real handel on screwing up great cars....Look at the Monte. GM has no clue about of what people really want. The Z and the Bird I feel is gone forever. There just gonna deface the car and throw a Firebird Badge on the GEO Metro.

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1987 T/A GTA 5.7L, Bored .020 and ported for .202 valves, edelbrock headers, flowmaster exhaust, JET STAGE II chip, Comp CAM, Adjustable fuel pressure, Airfoil, K&N filter, B&M stage 2 shift kit, and a home depot ram air(Hey it looks good and it works)

 

Let me contribute my 2cents on the 5th gen.I heard about a year ago GM hired the guy (I forget his name) that designed Dodges Prowler and PT Cruiser to redo the Camaro.Hes really into oldschool looks and the 5th gen will look similar to a 1st gen.I also heard one reason for the hiatus is the suspension system the want to use is only made in 1 factory in the world and theyre backlogged and GM may/will need to build a new plant just for the suspension.I dont remember where I heard or read this.Ive read so much on Camaros it all kinda blends in after awhile.

 

kudos to you for bringing the topic back from the dead

 

Yeah, I was looking for something else when I saw this thread.I didn't notice how old it was until after I done sent mine. Oh well.....

 

here's a salute to the f-body and may it live forever.

if GM brings it back as a 4-banger with turbo and all that other BS, i swear i'm gonna go ape. and, if they do it as a fwd platform..well fetch me my 12 gauge

i PERSONALLY blame the ba*tard who let the freakin imports into this country. jeezum crow, they're made in japan, designed in japan..keep em there!! didn't we nuke them like 55 years ago anyway? and now we let their cars ruin ours? sad sad world.

there are three reasons why no matter what GM screws up on, there will ALWAYS be all generatrions of CAMAROS, FIRBIRDS, TRANS AM, GTA, TTA, and FIREHAWK

1) T TOPS and LOUD GUNS n ROSES :rockon:
2) The massive :hail: V8!!!!!:hail:
AND laslty, but certainly not least...
3) Hearing 200 plus horses THUNDER under your hood. Lets see your rice burner do THAT :hail: :lala:

ok i'm out

----kev

 

...

 

First, way back when (was it the 70s or 80s?) the japanese cars were completely outselling the US cars cause they were more fuel efficent. So the US goverment asked Japan if they could put a tariff on their cars so that they cost as much as US cars, cause the imports were so much cheaper. Japan agreed, and after the US automakers were saved from impending doom, what did they do? They jacked their prices up cause they weren't having to compete with the japanese imports. So if you want to blame somebody about imports outselling US cars, blame the American automakers. And if you're still wondering why a big v-8 and sport styling weren't enough of a reason to keep the f-body around, look at the production numbers. The f-body's popularity really peaked in the 70s and by 2000 they were only making like 50,000 camaros a year.

As for 200+hp under the hood, you can do that with just about any current production car. The thing is, I don't think people really value factory performance anymore. You could buy a 2002 SS with the SLP package and get 381 HP. But I see way more late model v-6 camaros than those upgraded SS around here. People that are interested in performance aren't really looking for a car that comes stock with mucho HP, they're looking for a good platform to build on. I think the era of the musclecar is dead.

Oh, and I read in I think it was hotrod that they pulled the plug on the 05 camaro idea. So is the f-body really gone for good?

 

I'm glad to hear it, but I know if I was the guy who spent like $70K on the last Camaro, I'd be pretty pissed off right now!

 

I think we all agree. What then becomes the question is how long will it last? I'm almost willing to bet only another few years...
Its gotten to the point where everyone and their brother who makes cars makes at least one SUV. People are hopefully going to realize soon that they aren't just big minivans, they're trucks with more doors and seats. They consume gas like trucks, and corner like trucks. But, lets hope the Chicago auto show back in feb. is a sign of the times. Naturally there were lots of concept cars, as with any major auto show. Guess what? There was the hummer H2, some big dodge, and the concept truck that led to the ford super duty. Thats all. The rest were mostly 2 door roadsters, there was at least 5 of these plus some amped-up versions of current models, especially from pontiac.

To the liberal media newscasters who whine about how easy it is to roll an Explorer, all i can say is "DER what'd you expect!" And you don't need a 4X4 to get through the snow. Hell, last winter in the camaro, I was going down the highway in 3 inches of snow and passed 3 jeep cherokees in the ditch on a 15 minute drive home. My only words for them are "Whats your're problem?"

Sorry for the long rant, I've got some serious back pain right now, and when things hurt, people get pissy.



Hey, we can always be optimistic and hope for a reworked version of that 8-something liter big block thats in the Chevy trucks right now! Lol wonder what the chance of that is

 

In the latest CarCraft magazine one of the readers pointed out a startling coincidence. GM is “supposed” to use the Holden Monaro as a platform for the 2003 GTO (which is going to happen), and possibly the 5th gen Camaro, OK? Well here’s a pic of the Monaro.



Now look at how similar this car looks to it. And we all know what that car is.

Kinda scary isn’t it?

AJ

 

Doesn't the Monaro have like an LT1 tho? I thought I saw that somewhere, but I'm not sure. It'd just be interesting if they're still going to have a big engine even if it looks like a regular commuter car.

 

Wow this post if from the long ago....