Affordable classics

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Jan 31, 2014 | 10:17 PM
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Couldn't figure out what thread to put this in. Keep scrolling down - we made the list!

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/10-colle...003436577.html
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Feb 1, 2014 | 08:28 AM
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Came across that article yesterday - only cars worth owing are #6 to #10, the rest are 70's refuse.
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Feb 1, 2014 | 08:45 AM
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I agree, and id take 6-11, all favorites of mine
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Feb 1, 2014 | 08:55 AM
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I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
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Feb 1, 2014 | 11:00 AM
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6-10, thats pretty awesome!
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Feb 1, 2014 | 11:38 AM
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Quote: I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.


You must have accidentally typed in thirdgen.org in your browser. Heres the one you were looking for. http://www.superhonda.com/forum/
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Feb 1, 2014 | 11:43 AM
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I read that article yesterday and thought to myself, "it's about time!" The third gens are and will be worth something one day despite what the haters say. I grew up loving these TA's and Camaros just like these older guys grew up drooling over 60's era muscle cars. And when I get old I'm gonna want to re-connect with my youth and that will be behind the wheel of a 80's era Trans Am.
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Feb 1, 2014 | 12:17 PM
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Quote: I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
all cars on the list and all 70's cars are trash? not many will agree with that ... the f body cars on the list are far from trash, and the foxbody is not a bad ride either, and i think many people would agree that there are a lot of 70's cars that are nice cars, such as the 71 1/2 split bumper camaro or the 72 chevelle or the 70 nova ss 396 ...and a list of other cars as well
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Feb 1, 2014 | 02:12 PM
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Quote: I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
Really? You had to go there with that comment. That's just as bad as people stereotyping Camaro and Firebird people as the, shall we say, "trailer park trash ****** crowd". Let's just be glad that our 3rd gens are getting noticed.
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Feb 1, 2014 | 03:46 PM
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yeah. those lists are usually bullshit - and getting recognition or not, I would take it with a grain of salt coming from these types of writers/editors. they are not car people, and this list was most likely a dust-off of the same stupid list they did last year. I think the entire premise of this list is flawed BTW.

1. you also see desirable models (or at least their lower trim sisters) sell at Mecum auctions for prices lower than some of those shown on this list.

2. there is no model of car either figuratively or literally that was being sold for [beer money] ten years ago that are going for high-five figures today. that's hyperbole.

3. I really don't think so on the 73 GTOs and Grand Prix's or the 74-76 Dart, and a couple of others seem questionable to me. body style and performance relative to preceding models has to come in to play at some point, doesn't it?

4. 91 and 92 model years were not included for the F-Bodies. why? probably because they didn't know and didn't bother to research the fact that those are 3rd Gens too.

5. is the '93 Cobra really the only Fox Body that's worth a damn?

FWIW, 3rd Gens and Fox Bodies have been on these types of "affordable muscle" lists since the '90s. Novas, Dusters, and Mavericks usually make the lists too. Novas are getting more expensive, I've noticed.
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Feb 2, 2014 | 01:36 AM
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i think my rs is as attractive as an iroc and as desirable.btw chevy should have made a two door version of that ss.
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Feb 2, 2014 | 10:43 AM
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^well, yes and no. its hard to tell from the pic in you avatar, but from the looks of things, YOUR RS is a convertible, with IROC wheels (or some other non-stock wheel), pretty paint, and possibly some sort of non-plain-Jane hood (cowel induction maybe?) also with the 4th gen rear axle, I'm assuming you have 4-wheel disc brakes and limited slip posi-traction.

so, the fact that your RS may be fixed up or half-way fixed up to your liking probably makes it at least as attractive and desirable as an IROC-Z, at least to you. so, YOUR RS may be as desirable and attractive as an IROC-Z. Im not here to dispute that.

BUT

stock for stock a 3rd Gen RS is just never going to be as desirable or attractive as an IROC Z.

1) RS wheels are not as attractive as IROC wheels, and they're 15's vs. 16's.
2) RS tires are narrower and typically more pedestrian in appearance. the wider wheel/tire combination gives the IROC-Z an wider, more aggressive stance. plus, the sportier looking tires are usually more aesthetically pleasing (plus more valuable $$$-wise) to a Camaro enthusiast.
3) RS's come equipped with a weak motor.
4) RS's come equipped with an open differential, and most had 2.73-ish gears I think.
5) RS's come equipped with rear drum brakes.

not trying to dis' anyone who owns an RS, just pointing out some universal reasons that make RS's and base model Firebirds less attractive and desirable than IROCs, TAs, and Formulas on a stock for stock basis.
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Feb 2, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Never been much of a Ford guy, but I would love to have a Torino (70-71). I just love the lines of that car. Put a BBF in it and a guy could have a great time!
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Feb 2, 2014 | 03:33 PM
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11 should never be mentioned as collectible. Who would pay 20 grand for a K car?
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Feb 2, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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What is upsetting to me is, I have owned #2 (Grand Am version) #5 and #10. By far I have to say the most fun was my 96 SS. It was just a monster car. I really wish I had not gotten rid of any of them now.
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Feb 3, 2014 | 04:12 PM
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Quote: 2. there is no model of car either figuratively or literally that was being sold for [beer money] ten years ago that are going for high-five figures today. that's hyperbole.
Probably quite true... I have purchased 3rd gens for $250.00 But at the same time they are now parts cars. Now those cars might be worth closer to $500-$1000 in the condition I purchased them but they are still parts cars

Quote: 3. I really don't think so on the 73 GTOs and Grand Prix's or the 74-76 Dart, and a couple of others seem questionable to me. body style and performance relative to preceding models has to come in to play at some point, doesn't it?
I have no comment on this
Quote: 4. 91 and 92 model years were not included for the F-Bodies. why? probably because they didn't know and didn't bother to research the fact that those are 3rd Gens too.
Truth be told, as per a survey of a few years back most people preferred the styling of the 85-90 F-body over the 91-92, or the 82-84. there have been a few surveys here on TGO that make that point. It is all subjective, but even by production numbers there are probably more of these years (85-90) than any other sub generation.

Then there is the IROC issue where they were only produced from 85-90 in turn this seems to have embodied what a Third generation Camaro is... If you remember back in the day it was the IROC that made the Camaro so desirable.

Quote: 5. is the '93 Cobra really the only Fox Body that's worth a damn?
The 4th, 2nd (mustang II) & 3rd (Rustang) generations (in that order) of Mustang are by far the least desirable. Granted that leaves the 1st and 5th, the new 6th will be a hard sell as well as they are rather ugly in their own rite. The 5th I really liked even though I am not a mustang fan I would consider it if I was threatened...

Quote: FWIW, 3rd Gens and Fox Bodies have been on these types of "affordable muscle" lists since the '90s. Novas, Dusters, and Mavericks usually make the lists too. Novas are getting more expensive, I've noticed.
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Feb 3, 2014 | 04:30 PM
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The 4th, 2nd (mustang II) & 3rd (Rustang) generations (in that order) of Mustang are by far the least desirable. Granted that leaves the 1st and 5th, the new 6th will be a hard sell as well as they are rather ugly in their own rite. The 5th I really liked even though I am not a mustang fan I would consider it if I was threatened...
I am going to have to disagree with you on the Fox Mustangs. They still have a following and even though they are still relatively cheap, the fact that there is so much support for the car, seals it as one that will always be somewhat desirable, probably more so then the third gen F bodies of that era. Back in the day they were running circles around TPI 350 Corvettes and F bodies. A few mods and they were tearing up the track. pretty much the only thing close to stock that could beat it was the Grand National. That car will always have a following. You could pretty much buy a basket case and buy anything you need to build her back up - sheetmetal, interior, you name it, it's available. We have nowhere near the aftermarket following that car has for third gen F bodies. The 4th generation Mustang was a dog, until the new edge design, which had definite performance potential. The 5th gen was interesting, but the Coyote motor made it a fantastic car. My opinion may be somewhat biased on the fifth gen since I own a 2011 Mustang GT convertible and it is without a doubt, the most fun to drive car I own. Who can argue with over 400 horsepower stock?
So - I agree with Linson. The 93 Cobra is not the only Fox Stang that is collectible. Pretty much anything 1986-1993 is going to garner interest, even the 4 bangers for drivetrain swaps.
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Feb 3, 2014 | 05:57 PM
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Sweet I'm glad to see thirdgens garnering some love again..
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