The fact that you keep referring to the 6th gen as a SUV is beyond stupid.

It has 2 rear cameras. The one in the spolier can be turned on and used 100% of the time if you choose. Basically the rear view mirror turns into a screen and it's the entire mirror, not just a small rectangle. I've had no issues with "blind spots" because of it. I sometimes dont even use it. If you use your side mirrors and the rear view mirror (traditional way) I dont see all the fuss. The side mirrors now have indicators for objects approaching. But continue your nonsense

 

Pretty much every car today has grown to absurd proportions, that doesn't make the Camaro a Crossover though.

Fullsize trucks have gotten bigger, compact trucks have evolved into midsize, crossovers have killed the wagon, and it's only going to get worse. Ford is starting to design what it calls: "Whitespace Vehicles", which is taking the bigger/taller car approach to level 9000.

 

Sounds like the 1950's all over again.

 

IMO, all of those pics posted of the 6th gens look reaaally good. Not a single aspect of that car says minivan, so I don't quite get that comment. Pair a red 6th gen Camaro against a silver coloured new Blazer without black rims, and I'd bet the similar look would vanish pretty quick. The banshee nose birds aren't the favourite of everyone, but I personally think they're awesome looking. That's just MY opinion though. The new Camaro's do have a pretty wicked design, even if it isn't the favourite of everyone, it certainly is pretty incredibly detailed. Have you guys ever seen a Third Gen before? They're sweet looking yes, obviously, but they are a VERY simple design. The car is dead straight, with straight simple flat rear ends, and flat basic noses. The dash is a kitchen counter with a radio and gauges drilled in. They look awesome, but it's also pretty easy to make something simple in to something cool. It's 2019 though, the era of ridiculous technological advances month by month, and cosmetics have to keep caught up. I agree that the weird half year front end on the 19's looks awful, but the amount of crafting that went in to making every other line on the car is pretty impressive. They did also start off as excellent revisions of the original 1st gen's. There are some examples of 4th gens that I love, but are you guys really gonna say that a 5th or 6th gen SS Camaro doesn't look better than a 4th Gen SS? The 4th gen design IS ugly, even if some people love it. The interiors suck, the lines are weird, and the front ends are third gens that got pinched in the center and stretched out. There are people on this forum, and everywhere, that hate new cars for the sake of hating them and will always tell you that older looks better. That's an unfair opinion, and doesn't mean that the "design went down hill after the Third Gen"

 

You forgot this!

 

ok.....well after 7 pages, I think we can conclude that most people, at least on this site don't care for the look of modern cars. Some people really DO like the later designs. They're all just opinions. There's no right or wrong answer.

The horse is so beat, it's not even a horse anymore.

 

 

thie citation was awesome for its time(not) i raced one with my dads chevette (2 door-stick 30-50 horsepower,lol),
unfortunately i ended up with the shifter in my hand and the broken piece almost flush with the trans.my dad was
pissed(forgot all about that one) my best friend at the time,well his dad also had a chevette(4 door auto) and
close to the same time he drove us to a pit party(actually a caboose in a clearing in the woods)we ran out of beer and went
back to the car to get more,it was flipped over on its roof.i came up with the brilliant idea to report it stolen
because his dad didn't know he had the car.i cant say as i remember the outcome of that one,i steered clear of him.

a common activity at some of these parties was for "someone" to bring in a beater,the land owners son
would sell tickets for a couple bucks and you got to hit it with a sledgehammer then when
everyone was whipped into a frenzy they would light the car on fire.good times those 80's.
a bonfire was usually about 40-50 feet high and **** got real regularly........

i can just imagine this happening today,the national guard would be called and many tears would be shed.

 

That's a sweet looking car. The paint, wheels, and drop really set it off

 

Hey blackgloves, did you get your car back with the new paint job? Any pics?

I get that a lot of people don't like the 6th gen looks. Over at GM inside news . com there's another battered horse carcass there on that topic. I like the 3rd gen looks better. But the 6th gen is a damn good looking car too, IMO. I like it, but I just didn't like it enough to buy one. In my case, that may also be a function of age. I'm old enough to have driven a 3rd gen (borrowed) when they first came out, and I bought one brand new in 1990. The cars have changed (on the mechanical side only for the better), but I've probably changed too. I might just want more out of a car on the comfort side than I did when I was 25. The visibility out of a 3rd gen is way better than a 6th, but back when they were new, guess what one of the big complaints was? Poor visibility! (Although that has nothing to do with me not buying a 6th gen. I had a 5th, you get used to the visibility in one drive.)

 

No wonder why insurance rates for us young guys are so high

 

I don't think I'd call a Citation "awesome" for its time or any other. But one of the first cars that I drove was an '80 Citation with a V-6. After learning to drive in a Chevette, it felt like a race car. That car stayed in my family for a long time with 180K miles trouble free, so I actually do have fond memories of the Citation. I also got to drive an X-11 that a friend had. With a stick, it actually was a pretty fun car that felt fast at that time.

We all do stupid things as kids. My Dad kept second cars for me to drive, since he wasn't tossing me the keys to his Cadillac. It was a couple of Chevettes, a Citation, a J-2000. With the Chevette, me and a buddy would be going downhill on Route 51 near Pittsburgh. Our game late at night when no one seemed to be around was "let's see if we can pin it!" It was only an 85 mph speedo. Getting the Chevette up to that speed even downhill took a little while. When you got there, it felt like the car was floating. That couldn't have been very safe. Idiot that I was, it was right in front of the Whitehall (Pittsburgh suburb) police station. Didn't get caught though.

 

I remember when the 3rd gen Camaro and Firebird were revealed. They were considered one of the most beautifully designed cars in the world at that time. And not just by a handful of enthusiasts, but by the automotive press - all of it!- and the general public. They made a huge and lasting statement. There's a reason almost 2 million were sold.


You just can't say that about the 4th, 5th or 6th gens. Somewhere around the the end of the 3rd gens, GM Design simply lost it Camaro designing mojo. It's a shame.

 

Perfectly stated.

It feels like the newer cars they just give it tons of power and it was a quickie design where they make lines and openings and splitters and spoilers and giant black wheels to try and make it cool, and people don’t hate it, but there’s something uninspired and it conforms to the rest of the Chevy models too much.

The Vette gets all the mojo now.

And when the Thirdgen came out the second gen had slumping sales if I recall coming out of the 70s where people wanted smaller, more economic cars... The Thirdgens tempted the Honda Civic drivers as well as the muscle car enthusiasts.

Even when I take the IROC out now people always tell me “Everyone wanted one of those back in the day!”

 

What's funny, is that those are the ugliest third gens IMO. I just don't like our cars minus the GFX. I definitely prefer the 90-92 years. It seems most cars usually get nicer as time goes on, the 6th gen kind of is the same.

Very cool and interesting to see that our early third gens were so well received early on.

 

I was old enough to subscribe to every magazine I could get a hold of when these cars were released. I genuinely believe that I read every English language story written about them. The cars were so modern and avant guard looking in 1982.

The reviews went something like this:

1) Design, on a scale of 1-10: 11.

2) Chassis dynamics on a scale of 1-10: 10.

3) Powertrains, were the only letdown. 6 or 7 out of 10.

 

The 82 cars had ground effects though....

 

I remember this too. I read everything I could get my hands on. The 3rd gens really were well received, the design and chassis being so nice that the weak engines were kind of given a pass.

 

I don't think that the '82 Trans Am had ground effects.

 

semi ground effects in 1982,they still look timeless and awesome imo

 

My dream was to be able to get a CFI with a 4 speed. CFI sounded pretty radical in December of 1981. Who could have even imagined a future port fuel injected TPI then?

 

i think the subtle look without the gfx looks good for the earlier cars . in reality the formula is honestly my favorite third gen of all.
i am a sucker for the banshee nose black (or Jamaica yellow)formulas,this is hands down my favorite but i still love all the others in
between including the t/a,the tta,the iroc,rs and z28.a clean third gen looks awesome whether its stock,drag race,auto cross or pro
touring style.anything but riced out is good for me.i had an iron duke 1982 camaro and i loved it ,too bad it got stolen and torched

 

Gen 1 and 2 (up till the 4 mph bumpers) were great, but try as I might, I can't like the newer cars.

 

Did they??

The early 80s cars i've always seen never had them. I don't know how I haven't seen one of these yet. Were they a rare option back then?

 

I'd be SOOO tempted if Chevy built and sold a modern day camaro powertrain into a 1st gen replica body...

Modern day performance and CLASSIC looks... I have to think a car like that would sell ****ing amazing. Who wouldn't want that??

 

the 82 z28 had short ground effects,the trans am had them like the car above i just posted(very small)

 

have you heard of dynacorn? you can build a brand new 1967/1969 camaro ,COMPLETELY NEW....

http://dynacornbodies.com/body-shells/camaro/

long gone are the days you need to go find a first gen camaro at insane prices,built it your way!!
its still gonna cost serious money but hey,who wouldnt want a brand new 1969 camaro

 

https://www.brandnewmusclecar.com/dynacorn-bodies.html

 

For sure, Dynacorn is doing God's work. Unfortunately, they're a little out of my price range lol

 

You said that was the thing to do in your town back then

 

Were you apart of the group that was saying "built not bought"

Asking for a friend

 

I agree that the later models of each gen typically look the best.

67<69
82<92
10<18

I love my Iroc and prefer it over the 84 Z28 I had back in high school. I have always wanted a 91-92 Z28. The spoiler, blisters, and ground effects are sexy

 

Can someone help me identify the "Square" Camaros? I'm trying to google search these, and i can only find what i think are called fastbacks? Or similar, IDK.

But I thought there was a first gen, more square body style than what I can currently find pictures for. I'd like to know what those were called, or what year they were. I know I'm not crazy (I think).

Edit: Maybe scratch the fastback thing, but some of these normal/other? camaros still seem a little swoopy than what I'm envisioning. I'm still trying to find these more boxy looking early camaros.

Edit Edit: NVM, I'm a retard. I'm thinking Mustangs.

 

I have often wondered why not. I would love to buy a brand new 64 Impala I think they would sell like CRAZY! Could you just imagine a few of the classic cars with 6.2s and modern comforts. I think the Challengers popularity is because it looks so much like a classic. Imagine what an exact replica commissioned by GM would do!

 

a beautiful woman with a very exciting 'ratio'

Because of safety issues, we all know that GM (or any other car manufacturer) couldn't built exact replicas, but the challenger is a good example of what they could do. Hey, it's just as likely someone will build a time machine so we could travel back and enjoy..... It's fun to fantasize.... I remember the first time I saw a 66 Impala SS 4 sp with a big block.... It was at church and the owner was doing burnouts on the street in front of church, much to the chagrin of the elders....

But, back to reality...

When we look at cars, there are some shapes that stand out. MOST guys will agree that, although there are many attractive ones for a variety of reasons, some female shapes are just "head and shoulders" above the rest (scientifically, it is the hip waist ratio.... ) The closer that 'ratio' gets to the number that changes it into something other than a 'ratio', the less attractive it is.

Now, if we draw some 'parallel', there will always be a formula for the shape of a car that appeals to more people. As soon as the ponies came out in the sixties that formula had been found. The new cars still refer to that formula, but I think they have strayed in an attempt to find something novel.

In real life, it seems humans are trying the same thing with that 'ratio' on themselves.....

 

Never a big fan of the nose on the '91 and '92 Firebirds (but, there are no bad 3rd gens, at least from the factory), but that is a great picture. That nose always looked tacked on to me, particularly when seen from the side. But it sure looks good there.

My other beef with that nose is that many of them seem to have very uneven gaps where it meets the hood. This one looks perfect.

 

lots of guys mention the comparison between the earlier nose (especially the 85-90 nose) and generally the earlier versions are preferred. I think they really nailed it n 85, hard to beat perfection... the 91 92 nose was an attempt to show some progression toward the 4th gen cars, and it comes off looking a bit 'custom'... I love it, especially with that stance....
ya.... I prefer the 85-90....

 

I think they got it right in 67-69 and have been chasing that style ever since, gradually coming back to it

I hate the way second gens look, I would drive one just cause its a old camaro though

third gens look great, its a car in it's own class, timeless and completely different than the 69 imo

from then it just gets heavy and stupid, it looks like they keep trying to bring back the 60's but failing miserably inside and out.

 

I actually like the 91-92 nose and the fact that the Formulas in those years didn't have the eyesore bumperettes. I also hated the big goofy wings on the 91-92 Camaros. In saying that I still like lots of early Formulas as well as 91-92 Z28 and have owned one of each. The early Z28s were my favorite Thirdgens.

 

Ed Bolian: Kimmie, do you have butt implants?

I would definitely put the new Camaro in the same convo as butt implants.

 

highlighted curves... now here's the 'ratio' that excites me....

 

IMO... No F-body has looked better since these. Period.

 

or before.... period.

 

Talking about design and "Shapes".... I know it's a Dodge but I absolutely LOVE the newest generation Dodge Viper (RIP). Absolutely gorgeous vehicle.

 

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big massive huge fan of the 91-92 nose,sexy as ****

 

wow,that car is dead sexy(a good thing) RED IS THE COLOR.its like an eye magnet,i just cant look away

 

perfect,perfect stance,perfect shape,perfect everything

 

if you built a dynocorn based 1969 camaro,wouldn't it still be built and not bought?

do "word meanings " somehow confuse you?

or are you still attempting to be funny but failing miserably?

 

I think what he means is that a lot of us are in the built not bought camp, yet have said we'd love to buy a retro car if GM were to built one. (or you bought a complete Dynacorn 69). My answer to that is simply that built not bought is a lifestyle and a mentality, not simply a title given based on one car purchase. -and I concede that rolling up to a car event/race/show in a 2019 Camaro, doesn't mean that you haven't built 100 hot rods over the course of your life and that you don't bleed hot rod blood. -but typically.....that's not the case.